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Tell me your store's location and name and i'll tell you the results entered.

I already found a store stacking wins for order (108 for order and a handful for the rest). Otherwise GW is not influencing the results and the system regulates cheaters fairly well.

 shinros wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 shinros wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I'm holding out hope for a non-order rally, we'll have to see how well the Bonesplitterz release does, and how quick the Beastclaw one arrives. I suspect the Sylvaneth release was a bigger hit than GW expected, turning a small advantage for Order into quite a large one.

I doubt it will do anything, order has too many factions and new "proper" releases iron jaw's really helped destruction but I doubt beastclaws and bonesplitterz will be as popular as sylvaneth. We are getting into week two the results have not really changed on the website it will pretty much remain order controlled.

Unless order players stop logging results for a while and at most I suspect a contested city not one owned by the other factions.

Let me hope dammit!!

"Hope is the first step on to the road of disappointment."

Ah always wanted to use a 40k quote to make a post.

I knew when I posted that would be the response... >.>

Daedalus81 wrote:
Tell me your store's location and name and i'll tell you the results entered.

I already found a store stacking wins for order (108 for order and a handful for the rest). Otherwise GW is not influencing the results and the system regulates cheaters fairly well.

Funny thing is the margin by store doesn't matter at all; only the winning faction. A store where Order wins by 1 and a store where Order wins by 100 get factored identically into the global results. I'd say that store more likely has a lot of Order players.

It matters in that store will never, ever change from order. In the broader sense it may not be an issue, but if enough stores have unscrupulous people then it could suck.

I also find it highly unlikely that order would have a 99.5% (literally) win rate at ANY store.

I don't find it unlikely at all. I know of a few stores where one faction typically wins all the games. A lot of places only have a handful of players to begin with.

Imagine you have a store with five or six players, and the really good tournament vet picks up stormcast and then two others also pick up stormcast, leaving three not so good players playing the khorne side out of the starter box or a mish mash of chaos.

I know a few stores like that. Its not surprising in that context that the stormcast always wipe the floor with their opposition.

They had 108 for order and 4 for the rest day 2...I doubt it.

It is possible they were skewing the results, its also possible that its a big store where the majority of players are Order (Order always wins if its on both sides of the table). But also remember that painting a warscroll worth of models also counts as a win; if several players had fully-painted armies I could see that result pretty easily.

Only if they had fully painted their army in the first week. It's for painted warscrolls during the campaign - not what you already have.

Anyway I am having loads of fun with the season of war. I played my first game tonight, and my first 2000pt Matched Play game - and it was a blast. Here's a picture of my Fyreslayers before they got murdered by Goddrak.



I took out Goddrack on turn 2 (slain by an arrow lol), but in the end the Ironjawz player won a minor victory after smashing my army up with Foot of Gork for 4 consecutive turns haha.

Great game, great scenario (Pitched Battle 1: Take and Hold), and can't wait to play next week and hopefully get a win.

My store is currently ran by Nagash:

 Bottle wrote:
Only if they had fully painted their army in the first week. It's for painted warscrolls during the campaign - not what you already have.

Ah, I had missed that snippet. Maybe the store did too, for that matter!

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Bottle wrote:
Only if they had fully painted their army in the first week. It's for painted warscrolls during the campaign - not what you already have.

Ah, I had missed that snippet. Maybe the store did too, for that matter!

Yes, seems likely! I wish I could cash in my 2500pt painted army onto Order's side (not that they need it). Desperately trying to finish off my Militia unit to make up for my defeat yesterday.

Sadly I do think it has been way to easy for Order. There is only one store here that has a majority for Destruction, the rest is all Order.

 Bottle wrote:
Only if they had fully painted their army in the first week. It's for painted warscrolls during the campaign - not what you already have.

Anyway I am having loads of fun with the season of war. I played my first game tonight, and my first 2000pt Matched Play game - and it was a blast. Here's a picture of my Fyreslayers before they got murdered by Goddrak.



I took out Goddrack on turn 2 (slain by an arrow lol), but in the end the Ironjawz player won a minor victory after smashing my army up with Foot of Gork for 4 consecutive turns haha.

Great game, great scenario (Pitched Battle 1: Take and Hold), and can't wait to play next week and hopefully get a win.

My store is currently ran by Nagash:

Your Fyreslayers look great as do your opponent's models. Looks like a fun game. I've yet to face the Ironjaws yet.

Ironjaws are surprisingly tough. Their profiles don't look that amazing, but let them stack a couple buffs and suddenly they're disembowling your monsters and heroes with gay abandon.

Well after a week in the states, Order is dominating pretty thoroughly.

I'm not a fan of how scores can be reported in this campaign. Being able to fight the same faction can skew things hard since you are basically just giving a free point to the faction for each of those type of games.

 auticus wrote:
Well after a week in the states, Order is dominating pretty thoroughly.

I'm not a fan of how scores can be reported in this campaign. Being able to fight the same faction can skew things hard since you are basically just giving a free point to the faction for each of those type of games.

Our store isn't giving points for that. Its just too dumb that order can keep playing order over and over again. We are also running a ladder bracket in store during the season of war, the order vs order does count for that though.

Can you guys link to what you're referring too?

I'm finding it difficult to get into all of this as even with it being new (from my understanding) I feel as though I'm already leagues behind.

Where do I find all of this fluff and back-story?

Where do I find all the fluff for individual factions, etc - like the best resource?


I want to get excited about AOS, but my main excitement thus far has been from playing Total War: Warhammer.

Slightly off topic but I wish this ran for more than just a month, it seems like a cool idea but it's over too fast. I also like how they come up with special bonuses for factions (Chaos had and now Death has) but they last like only a day or two.

Still, they're trying. Hopefully this is a success and we see more campaigns, hopefully lasting a couple of months.

HeroesFall wrote:
Can you guys link to what you're referring too?

I'm finding it difficult to get into all of this as even with it being new (from my understanding) I feel as though I'm already leagues behind.

Where do I find all of this fluff and back-story?

Where do I find all the fluff for individual factions, etc - like the best resource?


I want to get excited about AOS, but my main excitement thus far has been from playing Total War: Warhammer.

Hey, sorry about not helping you out sooner. Here's some links to help you understand the AoS background. (Also, if you want to about the current campaign you can get the free AoS app and see the campaign fluff which is about taking the three cities in the Life realm)

Here's a review link whose setting part outlines the basic background and links you to the Wikipedia.
http://www.ageofsigmarking.com/age-of-sigmar-review/

My collection of MongooseMatt's reviews of the battletomes. These are good quick looks at the "main" factions and can help you decide if you want to invest in the battletomes.
http://warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php/topic,51557.0.html

And here's tropes and 1d4chan which are good info sources (though 1d4chan is a bit crass):
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/TabletopGame/WarhammerAgeOfSigmar

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer:_Age_of_Sigmar

Neither praising nor bashing either AoS or the campaign here, just providing another data point.

 auticus wrote:
I don't find it unlikely at all. I know of a few stores where one faction typically wins all the games. A lot of places only have a handful of players to begin with.

Imagine you have a store with five or six players, and the really good tournament vet picks up stormcast and then two others also pick up stormcast, leaving three not so good players playing the khorne side out of the starter box or a mish mash of chaos.

I know a few stores like that. Its not surprising in that context that the stormcast always wipe the floor with their opposition.

For our part, in a very GW-loyal FLGS, that's exactly our situation here. There's 6 players I personally know that are actively playing AoS. In our case:



...only wanted to see you laughing in the Purple Reign. Purple Reign, PURPLE REIGN...

And in case you were wondering, I'm proud to tell you that, sitting upon my throne of skulls bumpily, that big o' slice of grape pie is ME.

(My "strategy" is having lots of Morghast Archai, who are killy, have a 4+ save, a 5+ FNP, then my General's command trait gives ANOTHER 5+ FNP.)

But yeah, I'm the Death player, there's 1 Elf player, eeeeeveryone else is Chaos of the different gods (and 1 undivided).

We've been playing the scenarios and reporting fairly. Partly it's because AoS is not the key game here, 40k is, so we saw no point in fibbing for this.

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Regarding the campaign itself, we kinda glitched out last week's scenario, the one with Champions Dueling, making us question the quality of it.

(We all can find qualms about the AoS ruleset. This isn't about that. This is about something that came up in playing that we felt was EXTRA weird.)

The scenario, according to the FLGS and our understanding, was that 2 Heroes act as Champions and duel by themselves, while the rest of the army fights around them. When 1 Champion wins (and the other falls), he gives a buff to the rest of the army. However, they only make 1 attack each, so it's actually quite slow, but pretty dramatic.

It turned out, I tabled my opponent before their duel was over. So the rest of my army just surrounded the dueling area and waited for IIRC 2 turns.

Now, it might just be our opinion, but that lead-lag time was probably not what GW intended, as it literally broke the flow of the game. It's like we had a time-out.

That said...it's really fun to glitch out a game, so we had a fun time and Forged A Narrative around that moment. Thus, I'm not being negative, I'm just reporting a bug.

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However, we strongly, strongly believe 1 store in our region HAS been cheating/gaming the system (NOT our FLGS, who've been really honour-bound, for what are we without honour).

The store simply has no room to play in, barely a demo table, and is so new I don't think they have regular players that would report to it. Yet it seems to have added a lot of results.

Now, we've accepted this campaign is really just a sales & marketing drive, by just encouraging activity, but we are absolutely convinced they must be fudging their numbers.

Or you have a store where people bring in lots of painted models. I myself have basically painted a whole new army in less than a month's time.

I was actually shocked that a painted unit counted for as much as a victory in battle. My Flesh eater courts box was good for 8 points for nagash because I painted them all up

My Area is pretty hotly contested, (Use zip 84109), I've managed to win all of my games thus far, so between my Stormcast eternals and another players everqueen, my store belongs to the forces of order. The other two shops in the area are chaos and destruction, which has me thinking of going over and seeing what they are running .

 Kommissar Waaaghrick wrote:

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Regarding the campaign itself, we kinda glitched out last week's scenario, the one with Champions Dueling, making us question the quality of it.

(We all can find qualms about the AoS ruleset. This isn't about that. This is about something that came up in playing that we felt was EXTRA weird.)

The scenario, according to the FLGS and our understanding, was that 2 Heroes act as Champions and duel by themselves, while the rest of the army fights around them. When 1 Champion wins (and the other falls), he gives a buff to the rest of the army. However, they only make 1 attack each, so it's actually quite slow, but pretty dramatic.

It turned out, I tabled my opponent before their duel was over. So the rest of my army just surrounded the dueling area and waited for IIRC 2 turns.

Mostly because they only make 1 attack during the duel, which takes place pre-game and during the actual game, they make their full attacks when it's their turn to attack.

It's half Order here at my local GW (the closest place doing the campaign) and is probably due to most people having an Order army. There are a few of every other faction, so there is that I suppose. Here's the link:

seasonofwar.games-workshop.com/?storeId=nLYaGzjL6R4Y4zvvw

On a different note, would it be possible to change the title of the thread to just be talking about how the campaign's going and the like? Since the main point of the thread has been talked about and discussed already, we may's well have a less passive/aggressive title.

HeroesFall wrote:Can you guys link to what you're referring too?

I'm finding it difficult to get into all of this as even with it being new (from my understanding) I feel as though I'm already leagues behind.

Where do I find all of this fluff and back-story?

Where do I find all the fluff for individual factions, etc - like the best resource?


I want to get excited about AOS, but my main excitement thus far has been from playing Total War: Warhammer.

I strongly suggest making a new thread so this topic doesn't go off topic and then you can ask exactly what you want. Right now I can tell you what not to get, but this would defiantly bring this thread off topic.

 Elmir wrote:
Or you have a store where people bring in lots of painted models. I myself have basically painted a whole new army in less than a month's time.

I was actually shocked that a painted unit counted for as much as a victory in battle. My Flesh eater courts box was good for 8 points for nagash because I painted them all up

Oh...I forgot about this and didn't know the details of the score keeping. I thought a Major Victory in a scenario was worth more points. My FLGS might not have accounted for that yet.

That, perhaps more than anything, explains the skew. Lots of people are painting Stormcast Celestials and Sylvaneth, that would add a lot to Order in my FLGS...maybe they're incomplete.

All my stuff was painted already, I'm guessing they're only counting for newly painted units since the start of the campaign.

Thanks for clarifying this, that would certainly explain the huge numbers from stores that probably don't have active players or tables to play on.




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Sining wrote:
Mostly because they only make 1 attack during the duel, which takes place pre-game and during the actual game, they make their full attacks when it's their turn to attack.

Ah, it would be very embarrassing if all this was due to Stupid User Error on our part. It's very possible as we debated exactly how the duel was supposed to work.

I don't have the rules in front of me as we all worked off of 1 copy of the scenario's rules at the FLGS, but thanks for pointing this out, it certainly makes more sense.

This was always going to happen. I said this before this even started, that the Sigmarines are just too popular for anybody but Order to succeed. All of those left-over Warriors of Chaos armies I expected to but a bigger dent in the pie chart than expected though... but I guess combining the High Elves into Order (the second most popular Fantasy army) didn't help.

Besides, they'll just retcon whatever happens down the line anyway,

bob82ca wrote:
So I've noticed that every territory is being dominated by order. Also each pie chart from each region is roughly the same, which is pretty lame. You don't really get the sense that your actions mean anything in the large scheme of things. The charts more or less represent the volume of players that play each faction, and lets face it, order is pretty stacked. Not sure GW thought this one through...

Death= 1 army (undead)

Destruction= 2 armies (Orks and Ogres)

Chaos= 1.5 armies (Chaos and super-niche Beastmen)

Order= 8 armies ( Empire, Dwarves, Sylvenith, Serephon, Britonia, High Elves, Dark Elves, Stormcast)

Well, I check the season of war website every day, and I see that Order has a strong foothold in all 3 locations. I'm hoping Order loses a foothold in one location, but I don't see that happening.

Also, is anyone having fun in this campaign? Does it bring back memories of Storm of Chaos?

I genuinely forgot about it until the store manager gave me some points for it earlier. So I guess I've enjoyed it while I remember it?

Our FLGS is tied neck and neck between death, chaos and order. This is mostly because a couple of guys in the store discovered they can paint lots of single warscroll units in a day (gryph hounds, wizards, necromancers etc), we had 20 points reported (painted in store) in one day the other day from two guys, 10 to death and 10 to order due to guys painting heroes (one guy painted 6 of the elf heroes from silver tower box).

Personally I think they should have split games, purchases and painting into separate categories and gave them different weights but that may have been to much work for what is essentially a marketing campaign. It also helps that Order had a massively popular release right on the eve of the campaign, how much of the winning that order has comes down to people painting/buying sylvaneth, I would argue a reasonable amount (although I think only army boxes count not units).

Fez

Its the first AOS campaign pitting each faction against each other, of course there will be kinks but they seem to be having great ideas just execution can be improved in some areas but they do seem to be learning. I think the bonuses for Chaos/Death/Destruction are quite a new and innovative move on their part in particular.

Regardless, I am an Order player and I do hope that Order wipes the floor with everyone in at least the Ironweld Arsenal and Phoneicum (I'm in the states playing for the Living City OF COURSE). As long as Chaos doesn't win anything I'm fine with the results.

Right I just wanted to say even though order is winning interesting things can still happen. Let me point you to an example at the death buff it states nagash is growing strong on all the death's that occur during this war so of course even if he does not take a city he still has benefited from this war and it's also revealed in the lord of undeath novel.



With destruction with this war it's not a case of winning or losing they just like to fight I am sure we are going to get a lot of humorous stories like always. Now with chaos I do feel this loss might actually press Archaon into putting more resources into finding the location of slaanesh since the story seems to be heading in that direction plus the rumors of the new dark elves.

I will say let order win we need some civilization to start building somewhat now. Instead of ayzr being the "last" bastion of the civilized races. Most warhammer fluff has been about the good guys being kicked in the teeth by the bad ones let them enjoy this victory.