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What's special about the Black Pyramid? I'm guessing it isn't just a pretty building.

pm713 wrote:
What's special about the Black Pyramid? I'm guessing it isn't just a pretty building.

You don't know what it is? Is this sarcasm? If not I shall explain it.

bob82ca wrote:
Also, is anyone having fun in this campaign? Does it bring back memories of Storm of Chaos?

I'm having fun in this campaign. Even though I see the flaws of AoS, I think it's quite hilarious due to my very personalised, fluffy army.

If it wasn't for that, it probably wouldn't be fun for me. It would suck. My army's only redemption is Forge A Narrative.

And I think it does suck for my friends who came to AoS, mostly 40k players who tried it because they already had Chaos Daemons.

I can't compare to Storm of Chaos, unfortunately, as I fell off The Hobby for a years around that time. The Orcs won, right?

Fezza213 wrote:Our FLGS is tied neck and neck between death, chaos and order. This is mostly because a couple of guys in the store discovered they can paint lots of single warscroll units in a day (gryph hounds, wizards, necromancers etc), we had 20 points reported (painted in store) in one day the other day from two guys, 10 to death and 10 to order due to guys painting heroes (one guy painted 6 of the elf heroes from silver tower box).

Personally I think they should have split games, purchases and painting into separate categories and gave them different weights but that may have been to much work for what is essentially a marketing campaign. It also helps that Order had a massively popular release right on the eve of the campaign, how much of the winning that order has comes down to people painting/buying sylvaneth, I would argue a reasonable amount (although I think only army boxes count not units).

Fez

Yeah, now I'm starting to see not only how the Painting aspect is weighed too heavily IMHO, but how you can "game the system" with Painting.

For Death, the Nihilakh Oxide quick-painting technique for those of you that know it, could churn out lots of points for the campaign, but it feels silly to artificially inflate our score this way.

I'm actually going to remind my FLGS that Painting is a huge, if not the main, component of Season of War. This should help my FLGS show its support to GW...who's been unfair to them.

For my part, I'm going to continue winning for Death by winning, but the overall score results interest me a lot less now. It's just spilled too far into Pay-To-Win territory.

I can still enjoy these weekly scenarios, which really do enhance the game.

I'm loving the campaign, I think people who are gaming the system are taking the whole thing way too seriously anyways. Plus the vast majority of people who aren't will outweigh the minority of individual efforts.

Right it seems order victory is assured. I hope GW has learned some lessons from this because I doubt they were expecting order to control everything through out the 4 weeks the buffs did not help that much. I hope in the future GW allows players to tell the store manager which city we want to log our point. Now my one fear is that I hope the fluff from this is not order simply trouncing the other alliances since that in my opinion would be boring.

I do hope this also shows that the other factions need some love especially chaos tzeentch(who is most likely coming) due to the summoning and mainly magic nerf and death for the same reason.

 shinros wrote:
Right it seems order victory is assured. I hope GW has learned some lessons from this because I doubt they were expecting order to control everything through out the 4 weeks the buffs did not help that much. I hope in the future GW allows players to tell the store manager which city we want to log our point. Now my one fear is that I hope the fluff from this is not order simply trouncing the other alliances since that in my opinion would be boring.

I do hope this also shows that the other factions need some love especially chaos tzeentch(who is most likely coming) due to the summoning and mainly magic nerf and death for the same reason.

It seems you are drawing the conclusion that Order is by far the strongest faction, and I don't think that is true at all. Order are dominating because of the sheer number of players in the Order faction - if we take into account the old WHFB division most of the grand alliances are made up of 2 or 3 armies whereas Order are made up of 7 or so. When there's that many armies they are gonna clock in a lot more wins (and especially a lot more painting points).

If anything it says to me that GW need to stop ignoring the legacy Order factions with releases/fluff like they have been IMO because they have such a big fanbase.

Destruction has a few armies now that Beastclaw have been released. Death though have only 1 'new' faction with Flesheaters. Which other could be easily updated with a army book- Soulblight perhaps?

 Bottle wrote:

 shinros wrote:
Right it seems order victory is assured. I hope GW has learned some lessons from this because I doubt they were expecting order to control everything through out the 4 weeks the buffs did not help that much. I hope in the future GW allows players to tell the store manager which city we want to log our point. Now my one fear is that I hope the fluff from this is not order simply trouncing the other alliances since that in my opinion would be boring.

I do hope this also shows that the other factions need some love especially chaos tzeentch(who is most likely coming) due to the summoning and mainly magic nerf and death for the same reason.

It seems you are drawing the conclusion that Order is by far the strongest faction, and I don't think that is true at all. Order are dominating because of the sheer number of players in the Order faction - if we take into account the old WHFB division most of the grand alliances are made up of 2 or 3 armies whereas Order are made up of 7 or so. When there's that many armies they are gonna clock in a lot more wins (and especially a lot more painting points).

If anything it says to me that GW need to stop ignoring the legacy Order factions with releases/fluff like they have been IMO because they have such a big fanbase.

So update the other armies in order so it can outstrip the other factions even further if they do another campaign again? What? Sylvaneth just got a big release and the treekin were pretty much from an old world army they weren't even an army in 8th. Even though many of the order armies don't have a book they at least have formations they can use Death only has one which more suits Deathrattle and even then it's not really good. The ironjaw's and the beastclaws are getting people interested in destruction if you have more options on how to build you army you will get more people interested in doing the grand alliance.

I do feel if they do the fluff update for this campaign though I hope they focus on the wanderer's, free guild, devoted of sigmar and phoenix temple since well the pheonix temple have their own city.

I feel people are not going to get more interested in the other grand alliances if they leave them in the shadow of order. Let's not forget it's pretty clear that the new Dark elves and Tzeentch are coming soon. Destruction and Death have the smallest grand alliance and it shows in the campaign, you can check people's responses on facebook some are pretty well unsatisfied at the clear order domination for the whole campaign. When GW tries to get people hyped to push order back a lot of people are like whats the point?

Don't get me wrong I had fun with the campaign but there are issues.

The way I see it, even if Order dominates, I don't think it will diminish Death and Destruction any as far as the fluff goes. Remember, the key story line is the war against Chaos and reclaiming the mortal realms. In the grand scheme of things, any non-Chaos victory is a win for all of the other non-Chaos alliances.

And it really does need to happen. Chaos is given too much dominance in the fluff and its starting to get old. Knock Chaos down to a more manageable threat, then the other "bad guys" can grab the spotlight from time to time. As long as the game rules for Chaos aren't nerfed, I don't really see the harm in Chaos losing the campaign.

 ClassicCarraway wrote:
The way I see it, even if Order dominates, I don't think it will diminish Death and Destruction any as far as the fluff goes. Remember, the key story line is the war against Chaos and reclaiming the mortal realms. In the grand scheme of things, any non-Chaos victory is a win for all of the other non-Chaos alliances.

And it really does need to happen. Chaos is given too much dominance in the fluff and its starting to get old. Knock Chaos down to a more manageable threat, then the other "bad guys" can grab the spotlight from time to time. As long as the game rules for Chaos aren't nerfed, I don't really see the harm in Chaos losing the campaign.

That and Nagash is busy back home while everyone's fighting, creating a new Black Pyramid that will drain every soul killed within the Realm of Death, everyone fighting means he gets to deal with his new toy, which will steal souls from other Gods if they fight in his home territory..

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 ClassicCarraway wrote:
The way I see it, even if Order dominates, I don't think it will diminish Death and Destruction any as far as the fluff goes. Remember, the key story line is the war against Chaos and reclaiming the mortal realms. In the grand scheme of things, any non-Chaos victory is a win for all of the other non-Chaos alliances.

And it really does need to happen. Chaos is given too much dominance in the fluff and its starting to get old. Knock Chaos down to a more manageable threat, then the other "bad guys" can grab the spotlight from time to time. As long as the game rules for Chaos aren't nerfed, I don't really see the harm in Chaos losing the campaign.

That and Nagash is busy back home while everyone's fighting, creating a new Black Pyramid that will drain every soul killed within the Realm of Death, everyone fighting means he gets to deal with his new toy, which will steal souls from other Gods if they fight in his home territory..

The spoilers man

I did mention that the buff from the season of war for death notes nagash is growing stronger from all the death that is occuring. So the loss is not "clear cut" and in the end this war still benefited nagash even though the cities still are in sigmars hands plus anyone of his generals that died he can easily bring back. The issue is that GW are trying to get people hyped to push back order but it's not really working due to the order dominance. Well at least I am happy my store is controlled by death. Anyway change is good in the old world it was chaos constantly looming over the good guys waiting to destroy them at any moment.

Perhaps this loss would push Archaon to put more resources in freeing slaanesh. Plus I do want to see some devoted of sigmar stories they have been in the surrounding fluff quite a bit and wield divine magic better than stormcast.

Well, Season of War is done, and as I expected, Order maintained a foothold in all three locations.

No signs of a retcon, but I'll watch (but to be honest, I have no idea what to look for...)




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Also, did anyone have fun? Did it bring back memories of Storm of Chaos or prior global campaigns?

Even though there was some grumblings from players about order dominance, people had fun.

I had a lot of fun, and was pleasantly surprised that Order did not end up totally dominating the field. Order did win all three, but with only about 1/3 of the influence, way down from week two where they had an almost 2/3 majority across the board.

I still believe that fears of a ret-con are seriously unfounded.

[edit] Actually, checking the website it looks like they are already writing it in considering there is a paragraph for each city describing how Order won the day. Notably, the margin of victory seems to have been accounted for with the Greywater Fastness (where Order had the smallest margin) described as being nearly overrun but saved at the last moment, while the Phoenicium (where contrary to my memory Order had nearly half the influence) the invading forces are described as being totally crushed.

+1 on the fun side! Our store had a great time.

Hey, my GW was super close! Death dominated the entire store for weeks until chaos pulled a last minute victory

Yeah our own store it was an even race between all four factions. In the end Destruction clinched it on the last day. I 'am still convinced it was because some people rocked up with dirt Destruction lists and played lots of 10 minute games. Because I know on Saturday we put in at least 14 points for Order between painting and winning the big all day battle.

I do think they should look closely at future factions and consider shifting some of them. Possibly one of the gods joins with Nagash or Gorkamorka or even Chaos. The Shadow Elves could very well end up on another faction as they have to justify two Order factions being (presumably) mortal enemies.

My GW had Destruction pull ahead in the very end (they are popular, lots of Orruk/Ogor players), with Order 2nd, Chaos 3rd and sadly Death (unpopular at our shop) coming up last (but ultimately winning because every death bolsters our numbers). I did not see a lot of games going on though, because we only have 1 AoS specific table (the other two are for 40k) so I'm not sure how many games actually went on.

Oh at ours theres quite a big AoS community. Death was winning for most of the month due to some flesheater courts players.

I thin I was mostly keeping Order up because I was building and painting a huge Sylvaneth army at the same time.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
[edit] Actually, checking the website it looks like they are already writing it in considering there is a paragraph for each city describing how Order won the day. Notably, the margin of victory seems to have been accounted for with the Greywater Fastness (where Order had the smallest margin) described as being nearly overrun but saved at the last moment, while the Phoenicium (where contrary to my memory Order had nearly half the influence) the invading forces are described as being totally crushed.

Hmm if order was crushing at the start and then margins went smaller then assuming that was also true for Greywaters shouldn't fluff be more like it ended in major push by non-order against them? Rather than being saved at the end at the end it should be looking more grim(if that's appropriate term for stalemate by design fluff).

Well they still won in the end. So at the start if the siege, Order easily fended off attacks but slowly the invaders pushed them back and came closer to overrunning the fortress. And then at the last minute, Order wins as it has retained the lead, if only just.

Blackhoof wrote:
Well they still won in the end. So at the start if the siege, Order easily fended off attacks but slowly the invaders pushed them back and came closer to overrunning the fortress. And then at the last minute, Order wins as it has retained the lead, if only just.

That's my point. From the GW's fluff it sounds more like Order made last minute heroic charge or something and turned the tide. But if results were there same as elsewhere(order started with huge lead, lead got narrower) what happened was actually _opposite_.

So fluff follows less of results now. And if it would follow it would be more grim looking for order as the enemies would be actually be having momentum there. Now it sounds more like order has momentum there.

Just because they won doesn't mean there's no degrees of winnings and way they won and how to tie it to the story.

The victory at Greywater Fastness was a Pyrrhic victory in many ways. It wasn't a heroic final push - they built a super weapon and flicked the kill switch, obliterating the landscape all around. A victory in the eyes of the humans and Duardin who live there perhaps, but to the Sylvaneth? It resulted in wanton destruction of the flora and fauna. A fitting choice by GW to choose a victory that would only be considered such to the eyes of some and a defeat to the eyes of others.

They should have put the Dark Elves in the Chaos faction. Bring back the Cults of Slaanesh as a major faction within them and rekindle the Slaanesh/Khaine rivalry thing with Morathi and Malekith using the respective cults as puppets in their great game for control.

Nothing's stopping them from doing just that when they get around to exploring the daughters of khaine sub faction.

In my opinion I feel that the fluff and outcome were already predetermined before the first match.

 auticus wrote:
Nothing's stopping them from doing just that when they get around to exploring the daughters of khaine sub faction.

In my opinion I feel that the fluff and outcome were already predetermined before the first match.

Considering all the previous movements in the Dark Elf fluff were pulling them away from it, and the End Times basically relegated Morathi to a delusional, whimpering maiden rather than the cold, powerful sorceress previously depicted, I doubt it. But we'll see.

 Bottle wrote:
The victory at Greywater Fastness was a Pyrrhic victory in many ways. It wasn't a heroic final push - they built a super weapon and flicked the kill switch, obliterating the landscape all around. A victory in the eyes of the humans and Duardin who live there perhaps, but to the Sylvaneth? It resulted in wanton destruction of the flora and fauna. A fitting choice by GW to choose a victory that would only be considered such to the eyes of some and a defeat to the eyes of others.

Anyone else amused that a city of Dwarfs and Human engineers basically pulled a Boatmurdered (Dwarf Fortress) and destroyed the entire countryside in fire to repel invaders?

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Bottle wrote:
The victory at Greywater Fastness was a Pyrrhic victory in many ways. It wasn't a heroic final push - they built a super weapon and flicked the kill switch, obliterating the landscape all around. A victory in the eyes of the humans and Duardin who live there perhaps, but to the Sylvaneth? It resulted in wanton destruction of the flora and fauna. A fitting choice by GW to choose a victory that would only be considered such to the eyes of some and a defeat to the eyes of others.

Anyone else amused that a city of Dwarfs and Human engineers basically pulled a Boatmurdered (Dwarf Fortress) and destroyed the entire countryside in fire to repel invaders?

you know, I didnt think too much on it... but your friggen right. They boatmurdered the feth out of the realm of life.

Chaos dominated the Bernese Phonicium (taht ho ah speelz et?) but didnt change anything overall. I also witnessed a Order vs Order battle, so that may have something to do with all the Order victories.