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Or you could use Heralds of Ruin rules for different teams. Hellooo Terminators.

 BrookM wrote:
You are still restricted to the minimum squad sizes and equipment restrictions as found in the codex.

I think this is mainly done to prevent some people from fielding nothing but a certain type of model or weapon type.

And that's why I much prefer the FW Strike Force rules(or the HoR rules on occasion) - they attempt to transmute 30K/40K into a proper warband skirmish game while KT is just low point value 40K with few tweaks to stop that going as totally wrong as you'd expect, heh. Your force is built by selecting individual models freely from any unit with any equipment from your army list - 150pts for up to 3 Characters(squad leaders and/or ICs), 200-350pts for anything else(with some sensible limits on bigger vehicles and creatures). Ad-hoc units are formed during the game itself. Leaders gain access to a special "Action Point" system that lets them pull off special feats a couple of times per game. There's a rudimentary postgame phase and campaign system in place.

I'll be interested to see if Deathwatch end up breaking this new version of Kill Team - unlike other factions their squads don't have very much of a limit on what equipment they can field.

Deathwatch are quite expensive though, 110 pts for five models, though they do come with special ammunition bolters.

And preordered the kill team box + the new white dwarf. Looking forward to getting them.

Pricing fail:


https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Tempestus-Scions-Kill-Team
vs.
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/start-collecting-militarum-tempestus

Yeah, the first one is a one click bundle with no discount, but it is still a fail to release a product with the same price and less content.

But the Killteam main box is tempting....

This looks like a pretty sensible release. 40k has always been really expensive to get into, if they really push this, and market it properly, with good ongoing support, this could be a game to attract a lot of people into the stores and hobby. I'd certainly be up for starting a couple of little kill teams once I'm done with my Harlies.

Are the sisters of battle and inquisition missing from that list?

zanzibarthefirst wrote:
Here's hoping that the digital rules get updated.

They were. You might have missed it up above.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Kill-Team-Rules-IPAD

First post-Warseer post, go easy...

So, do we know if this update changes the list-building rules in any way? It always felt a bit restrictive to me (both from a gaming and modelling perspective) that you have to purchase complete units rather than individuals from a unit. I get the argument that it stops people from cherry-picking the special weapon guy, but if the codex says only one in five can carry a special weapon then it doesn't take much to make sure the Kill Team rules specify that you'd still have to buy the other four...

Especially when the the whole thing stems from Deathwatch kill-teams who can each be equipped individually.

Which might, possibly intentionally, make them the best kill-team option...

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
I can't help but notice there are no Necrons on that page. Allow me the first to overreact and declare . . .

NECRONS ARE BEING SQUATTED!!!!!

Fear not the NZ page has some sample kill teams one of which is a Necron group of Wraiths and Flayed ones(I so wish they had a decent plastic kit)
Gotta say there exclusion is kinda odd though as they do have several units that would fit the kill team theme.

No Sisters either and they can have some nasty Kill Team builds

Aryllon wrote:
First post-Warseer post, go easy...

So, do we know if this update changes the list-building rules in any way? It always felt a bit restrictive to me (both from a gaming and modelling perspective) that you have to purchase complete units rather than individuals from a unit. I get the argument that it stops people from cherry-picking the special weapon guy, but if the codex says only one in five can carry a special weapon then it doesn't take much to make sure the Kill Team rules specify that you'd still have to buy the other four...

Especially when the the whole thing stems from Deathwatch kill-teams who can each be equipped individually.

Which might, possibly intentionally, make them the best kill-team option...

The answer is and has always been to play a better skirmish game, like Heralds of Ruin, as other people have mentioned. Kill Team is a lazy attempt to make the smallest possible number of rule changes such that 40k functions with a handful of models. As you can infer from that, it's never worked very well at all.

In 4th edition it was part of the main rulebook so it isnt that surprising there are better options out there. Not sure if it got updated for 7th but the Killzone fan-made rules were much better a few years ago. And free as well

Edit: I just saw HoR is based on some of its elements

WOW
What happened to those at GW??
Just got a mail from them, saying that as I own a digital Kill Team codex I can update that for free from 03.09.2016 on!!

 miniholic wrote:
WOW
What happened to those at GW??
Just got a mail from them, saying that as I own a digital Kill Team codex I can update that for free from 03.09.2016 on!!

They've been doing that for a while (did it with Farsight Enclaves as well).

It'll be interesting to see if they do it with core rules or codexes.

Will likely buy this game AND a Tempestus Scion SC box to go with. A group of models I always wanted, but had no reason for. Now I do!

I see pre-orders for KT on the GW website in every region but North America (even the section "rest of the world" has access to it).
Does anyone know what's happening?

This really is a great excuse to dip your toe into an army you'd otherwise not collect.

Might use it as an excuse to do Chaos Marines, but really go to town on the conversions.

 CalgarsPimpHand wrote:
The answer is and has always been to play a better skirmish game, like Heralds of Ruin, as other people have mentioned. Kill Team is a lazy attempt to make the smallest possible number of rule changes such that 40k functions with a handful of models. As you can infer from that, it's never worked very well at all.

Kill Team being actual 40K, with the smallest amount of changes, IS the selling point for a lot of us, and it works perfectly well.

I'm all for kill team. I'd sooner play kill team than regular 40K. Will likely have several kill teams. Where to start though

Where the did this come from?!?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Where the did this come from?!?

Kill team has been around for a while. I played a tournament at GenCon and had an absolute blast. With strangers, even!

fresus wrote:
I see pre-orders for KT on the GW website in every region but North America (even the section "rest of the world" has access to it).
Does anyone know what's happening?

USA website usually gets updated around 1pm EST.

As someome who collects both Tau and Space Marines I am so getting this.

kronk wrote:

zanzibarthefirst wrote:
Here's hoping that the digital rules get updated.

They were. You might have missed it up above.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Kill-Team-Rules-IPAD

I thought he meant for people who have bought the current version of Kill Team rules. I don't think they will be updated and you will have to rebuy it again.

What amuses me is that they seem to believe that £40 is $65 USD. That is pretty wishful thinking on GW's part.

£40 isn't €50 either, but given the contents of the box, I'm not complaining that much myself.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
What amuses me is that they seem to believe that £40 is $65 USD. That is pretty wishful thinking on GW's part.

I'm sure this has been discussed ad nausium. But the differences in prices between regions are not solely down to currency fluctuations. How much does it cost to ship all those Kill Team Box Sets to North America, what taxes do GW pay? How are their overheads in that region different to the ones in the UK.

 General Kroll wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
What amuses me is that they seem to believe that £40 is $65 USD. That is pretty wishful thinking on GW's part.

I'm sure this has been discussed ad nausium. But the differences in prices between regions are not solely down to currency fluctuations. How much does it cost to ship all those Kill Team Box Sets to North America, what taxes do GW pay? How are their overheads in that region different to the ones in the UK.

Considering the US and UK are both members of the WTO and major trading partners I wouldn't imagine it to be very high.

Yeah, it's likely to have a lot of people getting some models they never really had an excuse for.

What GW needed was a way of making 'buy a box of stuff and start playing' practical for 40k, and Kill Team might be it.

They seem to have changed the composition rules slightly, as the example Ork force on the GW site has two elite choices.

I'm not going to slate the rules without reading them, as 40k is a terrible set of rules anyway that doesn't really work to produce balanced standard sized games, so lets not pretend it diminishes the 40k rules.

It may even improve them by disallowing a hell of a lot of stuff.

From the BL site: http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/kill-team-2016.html









Contents:

* The Kill Team detachment with which to select your force

* Six Leader traits and 43 Specialist Skills with which to customise your team

* Full rules for Kill Team games including special rules and Six missions

* Suggestions for different ways to play, including tournaments, multiplayer games and more

* Two unique data sheets with example Kill Teams: Raven Guard Squad Stornus and Tau Empire Strike Team Bright Conquest