BBAP wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
On topic, I do think Adepta Sororitas need some sort of boost. They don't need to be tier 1, but the Genestealer Cult codex is a great expample of how units with midling stats, can be interesting and viable with combinations of formation sepcial rules.

Things that wouldn't be out of hand:
Free Transports: Space Marines Codex
Free Master Crafted Upgrade to Flamer/melta: Salamanders Chapter
Zealot bubble
Furious Charge Bubble
Increased Invulnerable Save
3 of Same vehicle in unit gets bonus

Lack of CC is one of the most common complaints I've seen about the Sisters since I started playing them in 3rd Edition, but that's silly, because close combat is not what the Sisters do. It's **never** been the Sister's strength, and trying to make it so is one of the reasons the Codex is in such a state.

Free transports and Mastercrafting makes sense for Smurfs, where everything costs an arm and a leg and every miss hurts. Sisters don't fit that archetype at all. Everything is cheap, plentiful, and can do tricks. They don't need handouts. They need people to understand what they are and what they do.

As it stands most Sisters units work fine in an Allied detachment, and to be quite honest I'd be happy keeping them that way. If you wanted to make them a viable army in their own right without utterly rebooting the faction and re-configuring it for close combat, you start by recognising that Sisters don't do close combat. They are a cheap, mechanised, mid-range stand-off shooting army, and their wargear, special rules, and gimmicks should reflect this. With that in mind, here's my suggestions:

== All squads except Repentia get defensive grenades as standard instead of assault grenades. Include an option to swap them for assault grenades if you like, but count on it never being used.

== Instead of silly assault-oriented AoF (Making it easier for my S3 I3 Command Squad to get into combat? Yeah, thanks, guy), give them AoF which reflect their desire to avoid combat. Off the top of my head: an AoF which allows Celestians to fire Overwatch at their full BS, an AoF which allows Command Squads to move D6" if a charge is declared against them, make the Veteran Superiors grant something like ATSKNF to a squad, that kind of thing.

== Mobility is decisive in 7th Edition (hence all those Warp Spider/ White Scars lists winning tournaments), and Sisters rely on vehicles to provide theirs. However, vehicles are nowhere near as resilient as they were in 5th - which is good for the game, but bad for the Sisters. The solution to this is tricky without changing the fluff to give Sisters jetbikes and Deep Strike, but there are ways to do it. A formation which gives ObSec to Seraphim and Dominions (requires Celestine as an HQ), wargear which improves their vehicle's resilience and safeguards their ability to move, etc etc.

== Repentia. Ever since 3rd Edition there have been individuals who insist they're awesome because 250pts of them could kill a Dreadnought. These individuals are misguided. Their current iteration is better than the 3rd Edition version, but they're still an overpriced, half-assed melee "deathstar" which doesn't really fit comfortably in the kind of army Sisters want to build. In the brave new world of shooty Sisters I'd make them 60pts for a squad of 5 plus the Mistress, +7 per extra model. At that price point you don't get an Eviscerator; you get a Two-Handed Chainsword (+1S, AP-) instead. You can have the Eviscerator for +10pts per model if you want it, but it's an all-or-nothing deal; either every model gets an Eviscerator, or nobody does. No transport options; instead they get Move Through Cover, and a max unit size of 14 Repentia plus Mistress. The Mistress costs 28pts in this set up, which is not justified by Neural Whips and Power Armour alone, so the whole unit has Counter-Attack and Feel No Pain while she's alive. They now get FNP as standard so need a new AoF: Fury of the Penitent, tested for at the start of either player's assault phase, if successful the unit gains Rampage until the end of the current assault phase - this keeps them relevant as the game wears on and they start to lose models, which they will, being T3 with a 6++ save and 5+ FNP. Without Eviscerators this unit would cost you 120pts, which seems reasonable for a throwaway meat shield/ tarpit unit with middling close combat ability and zero resilience, which is always how I imagined sensible Canonesses would use their Repentia. They die so the good Sisters don't have to. If you want the silly "deathstar" version it'll cost 220pts, which seems reasonable for a novelty CC unit.

== Take those Inquisition warband-style units and throw them right in the bin. Instead, change the Priests and bring back the old WD Zealot Mobs. Now, instead of being pointless ICs who bestow irrelevant CC buffs on your shooty Sisters units, you can take one Priest for every squad of Battle Sisters in your army, but the Priest must be taken as part of a Ministorum Mob. The Mob consists of 9-29 Peasants plus the Priest, who are GEQs with WS1, BS1, Ld6, and no armour save. Each Peasant has frag grenades, a single close combat weapon and a Mob Gun (Range 12", S3, AP-, Assault 1, Unreliable (remove a Peasant from the mob every time a 1 is rolled to hit when shooting with this weapon)). While the Priest is alive, he confers Zealot, War Hymns and Shield of Faith on the Mob, and is treated as an Infantry (Character) attached to the Mob, not an IC. Mobs cannot be joined by any other ICs, and cannot benefit from any special rules other than those conferred by the Priest. When the unit charges the Priest must end his charge in base to base contact with an enemy; if the Priest is too far away to reach, exchange him for a Peasant model in base contact with a charged unit. The Priest must always issue and accept challenges whenever possible. If the Priest is ever removed from play for any reason his Mob must take a Morale check immediately, and a Morale check at the beginning of every subsequent movement phase (owning player's and opponent's); if the test is failed the mob is removed from play immediately, as if it had been destroyed by a sweeping advance. If the Preist survives the destruction of his Mob, he becomes an IC again and is free to join units as normal.