Adepta Sororitas are coming, what do you want to see in the new codex ?

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**Melissia**

I still have righteous "I told you so" feelings in my heart over th3 fact that I created the concept of the bolt cannon for sisters as a rotary high power bolt weapon well before gw did, and people were incredulous about it tyen.. but they accept ots existence now.

But that's neither here nor there.

**AnomanderRake**

Melissia wrote:
...I think Sisters deserve something along the lines of a tank with a boltcannon on it, for example...

Went scanning through a variety of proposals both silly and serious on this front just for fun. I found (among other things) the supreme dakkamobile (Land Raider Avenger) off my build-your-own Land Raider thread (hull-mounted Avenger mega-bolter, six twin-linked heavy bolters in two sets of sponsons), the Salamanders fortress of BURNING (which is actually legal in 30k, take a Malcador Defender with Legion Crew and swap out all the heavy bolters to produce a 6-HP superheavy with seven S6 heavy flamers and a Demolisher cannon), and the easy/straightforward option of just borrowing the relic Predator with the flamestorm/blast multi-melta turret options.

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Melissia wrote:
I still have righteous "I told you so" feelings in my heart over th3 fact that I created the concept of the bolt cannon for sisters as a rotary high power bolt weapon well before gw did, and people were incredulous about it tyen.. but they accept ots existence now.

But that's neither here nor there.

When was this, out of curiosity? I'd thought the giant rotary bolter had been around since the start of Imperial Armour?

**Melissia**

AnomanderRake wrote:
When was this, out of curiosity? I'd thought the giant rotary bolter had been around since the start of Imperial Armour?

This was in fourth and fifth edition. At that time, the only bolt weapon larger than a heavy bolter was on a titan (the assault cannon which you're thinking of is not a bolt weapon).

**General Annoyance**

Melissia wrote:
This was in fourth and fifth edition. At that time, the only bolt weapon larger than a heavy bolter was on a titan (the assault cannon which you're thinking of is not a bolt weapon).

What is this new Rotary Bolt Cannon? The Soulreaper Cannon?

**Melissia**

General Annoyance wrote:
Melissia wrote:
This was in fourth and fifth edition. At that time, the only bolt weapon larger than a heavy bolter was on a titan (the assault cannon which you're thinking of is not a bolt weapon).

What is this new Rotary Bolt Cannon? The Soulreaper Cannon?

There's two weapons with the name "boltcannon" at the moment, one on the new version of the Avenger strike fighter, and one utilized by the Legion Cybernetica on their Castellax robots. The Avenger one is a four barrel rotary arrangement.

**General Annoyance**

Melissia wrote:

There's two weapons with the name "boltcannon" at the moment, one on the new version of the Avenger strike fighter, and one utilized by the Legion Cybernetica on their Castellax robots. The Avenger one is a four barrel rotary arrangement.

Ah gotcha.

To be honest, I talked on and on about Orks needing a jet fighter smaller than the Fighta Bomma after the release of the DE Razorwing back in 5th, and guess what GW did a few months later?

I probably should lie about that one and said I campaigned on the internet for a plastic Ork Flyer (or Fast Skimmer back in those times) so that I can say I actually had influence over it. Oh well

**AnomanderRake**

Melissia wrote:
AnomanderRake wrote:
When was this, out of curiosity? I'd thought the giant rotary bolter had been around since the start of Imperial Armour?

This was in fourth and fifth edition. At that time, the only bolt weapon larger than a heavy bolter was on a titan (the assault cannon which you're thinking of is not a bolt weapon).

I was thinking of the one on the Stormlord (that's been around since before 4e Apocalypse, at least), but I just double-checked and it's actually the same one that comes on the Warhound.

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General Annoyance wrote:
Melissia wrote:

There's two weapons with the name "boltcannon" at the moment, one on the new version of the Avenger strike fighter, and one utilized by the Legion Cybernetica on their Castellax robots. The Avenger one is a four barrel rotary arrangement.

Ah gotcha.

To be honest, I talked on and on about Orks needing a jet fighter smaller than the Fighta Bomma after the release of the DE Razorwing back in 5th, and guess what GW did a few months later?

I probably should lie about that one and said I campaigned on the internet for a plastic Ork Flyer (or Fast Skimmer back in those times) so that I can say I actually had influence over it. Oh well

Now if you campaign for a 40k-scale version of one of the Bommers from Epic/AI we'd be all set.

**Melissia**

Yeah I wasn't counting titan weapons since in my view titan class units don't belong in 40k, they belong in apoc.

**General Annoyance**

AnomanderRake wrote:
Now if you campaign for a 40k-scale version of one of the Bommers from Epic/AI we'd be all set.

Done!

Give us Heavy Bommers back, GW. And in Plastic!

That is the one you're talking about, right?

**AnomanderRake**

That's the one. There was a transport variant too, without all the turrets but full to the brim of Stormboyz.

**General Annoyance**

Got you covered

Time to write angry emails to GW. If it goes anywhere as well as Sisters, come back in a decade

**Grand.Master.Raziel**

So, scanning through the most recent posts about Sisters over on BoLS, the Sisters codex is being printed in its entirety in Codex: Imperial Agents. That initially made me think they don't intend to change anything about them. Then I read this:

…this will not replace existing printed codexes for the Deathwatch or Grey Knights – this just means that, if you want to add a small strike force of Elite Space Marines to your Imperial army (perhaps requisitioned by an Inquisitor, or high ranking officer), this book makes it easy for you to do so.

That's a quote from GW, and it specifically didn't mention Sisters. I'll admit it's pretty thin, but it at least allows a slim sliver of hope Sisters will get some improved rules. One would think Sisters would at least get some sort of Decurion-style detachment, as everybody is getting them, and not giving one to Sisters would be a glaring omission. Plus, that ugly new Canoness mini is going to need some rules.

Speaking of Canoness Veridyan, it's impressive that GW was able to produce a mini that so accurately reproduces the cover of the 2nd ed codex, but I'm not sure the nostalgia value of it trumps the fact that the artwork wasn't that good in the first place, and the mini would just look silly on the tabletop. It's neither a dynamic pose, nor a particularly realistic one. I'd call the effort a near miss.

**Mr Morden**

Melissia wrote:
To move it back on what I want to see in the codex:

I'd like to see Sisters gain close-combat focused bikers-- think jousting knights, with power lances, stormshields, and chainswords or power swords.

I'd like to see Sisters gain additional tanks. In addition to having more options for the Exorcist (including a skyfire mode), I think Sisters deserve something along the lines of a tank with a boltcannon on it, for example.

I'd like to see a rework of Acts of Faith that doesn't limit acts of faith to particular units.

I'd like to see Sisters gain a flying transport that's a variant of the strikingly beautiful Aquila Lander, which would fit them very well.

I'd like to see Sisters gain more special and heavy weapons that are better than the standard weapons while staying true to the Bolter/Flamer/Melta standard they use-- melta missiles, torrent flamers, the aformentioned boltcannon, and so on.

I'd like to see Sisters gain a bolter-based sniper unit (preferably veterans, not initiates), because the stalker pattern boltgun is a thing and if sisters are going to be stuck in bolter/flamer/melta, they might as well use ALL of bolter/flamer/melta to their advantage.

And so on and so forth. I could go on, but I created two (2) fandexes in the past, so the amount of ideas in my head would take the entire thread to go through. There's so much that could be done with Sisters, GW has only scratched the surface of the concept.

Agreed - great post.

The Aquila is one the best flyer models they did in my opinion - love to see it as a uparmed proper Sisters transport

**Anpu-adom**

If Imperial Agents allows me to load up a Land Raider with a Priest and 19 Sisters I'll be very happy. I'll be even happier if the Sisters Codex allows me to do that!

Only BOLS is saying that. Everyone else is saying Jan/Feb for a full Sisters release... including Plastic infantry kits, 2-3 vehicle kits.
Heck... it'll probably be on the level with Grey Knights.

**mmzero252**

Grand.Master.Raziel wrote:
So, scanning through the most recent posts about Sisters over on BoLS, the Sisters codex is being printed in its entirety in Codex: Imperial Agents. That initially made me think they don't intend to change anything about them. Then I read this:

BoLS is also..extremely unreliable..take everything they say with a metric ton of salt.

**Mr Morden**

mmzero252 wrote:
Grand.Master.Raziel wrote:
So, scanning through the most recent posts about Sisters over on BoLS, the Sisters codex is being printed in its entirety in Codex: Imperial Agents. That initially made me think they don't intend to change anything about them. Then I read this:

BoLS is also..extremely unreliable..take everything they say with a metric ton of salt.

It would be great if it was but I agree it seems unlikely.

**Tamwulf**

Mr Morden wrote:
mmzero252 wrote:
Grand.Master.Raziel wrote:
So, scanning through the most recent posts about Sisters over on BoLS, the Sisters codex is being printed in its entirety in Codex: Imperial Agents. That initially made me think they don't intend to change anything about them. Then I read this:

BoLS is also..extremely unreliable..take everything they say with a metric ton of salt.

It would be great if it was but I agree it seems unlikely.

If there is an actual, new Sisters of Battle codex coming in the first quarter of 2017, why would GW actually print the current WD/Digital Codex the month before?

A scary thought has occurred to me. Some Sisters of Battle are popping up on the "Made to Order" GW page, and what if GW does reprint all what, six pages of the Codex in Imperial Agents? What if this is what GW thinks is the "new Sisters of Battle release"?

**Grand.Master.Raziel**

BoLS seems to be getting their information from the Warhammer Community page. I found this there:

Next week, they get much needed aid, in the form of Codex: Imperial Agents.

This is a book that compiles together loads of specialist forces that commonly operate alongside other armies within the Imperium – including agents from the Inquisition, Officio Assassinorum, Deathwatch, Grey Knights, Adepta Sororitas, Cult Mechanicus, Adeptus Astra Telepathica, Aeronautica Imperialis, and even the Legion of the Damned.

Much of this content is only available digitally at the moment, some of it is new, and much of it is updated.

Plus the aforementioned quote about GKs and Deathwatch not being new rules comes from there as well.

It seems strange that GW would release Imperial Agents with rules for the SoB, then release a SoB standalone a month or two later. Unless there's only rules for the base Sisters of Battle squad in Imperial Agents. This may be the case, because the one photo that has Sisters in it has them in the background, with other minis front-and-center. The Sisters are blurry, but they look like the existing minis. Could be bad news, or could mean they're holding off on showing new minis till they're specifically promoting the SoB book.

**Melissia**

That quote doesn't say the entire Sisters codex is being reprinted in the book.

**Grand.Master.Raziel**

Melissia wrote:
That quote doesn't say the entire Sisters codex is being reprinted in the book.

No it does not. Like I say, it could just be rules for a single squad. However, the whole current SoB dex wouldn't take very much space, and it's not like that book is going to have much other meat.

On the other hand, if GW has upgraded the Sisters rules and the Imperial Agents book has just the Battle Sisters squad, but with the new rules, it could act as a teaser for the full Sororitas release. I think that'd actually be pretty clever marketing on GW's part, assuming the rules for the Battle Sisters squad are any good.

**Melissia**

Grand.Master.Raziel wrote:
Melissia wrote:
That quote doesn't say the entire Sisters codex is being reprinted in the book.

No it does not. Like I say, it could just be rules for a single squad.

More likely, it will be one HQ and one squad, possibly one vehicle, just like GK are rumored to get an hq, terminators, and the dreadknight.

**JohnHwangDD**

Tamwulf wrote:
If there is an actual, new Sisters of Battle codex coming in the first quarter of 2017, why would GW actually print the current WD/Digital Codex the month before?

A scary thought has occurred to me. Some Sisters of Battle are popping up on the "Made to Order" GW page, and what if GW does reprint all what, six pages of the Codex in Imperial Agents? What if this is what GW thinks is the "new Sisters of Battle release"?

There isn't ever going to be another "Codex: Sisters of Battle".

Codex: Imperial Agents replaces Codex: Sisters of Battle in its entirety. C:IA would be more accurately titled "Codex: Sisters of Battle with enough other stuff that you don't have to field any actual Sisters of Battle, because we know that Sisters don't sell on their own".

GW obviously has no faith in Sisters. That's why the most recent M2O has exactly ONE Sister of Battle model, against 2 Witchhunters and a half-dozen Ecclesiarch models. It's why IA also bundles rules for Custodes, GK, DW, Inquisition, and more!

**Melissia**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
Codex: Imperial Agents replaces Codex: Sisters of Battle in its entirety.

Ah, so you must be BoLS' "source".

That explains so very much.

No. Codex: Imperial Agents is thus far billed as not replacing any codex. It is merely a supplement.

**Grand.Master.Raziel**

JohnHwangDD wrote:

GW obviously has no faith in Sisters. That's why the most recent M2O has exactly ONE Sister of Battle model, against 2 Witchhunters and a half-dozen Ecclesiarch models. It's why IA also bundles rules for Custodes, GK, DW, Inquisition, and more!

Or, the rumored plastics could be just around the corner, so there's no point in releasing the whole range in M2O.

**mmzero252**

Melissia wrote:
Grand.Master.Raziel wrote:
Melissia wrote:
That quote doesn't say the entire Sisters codex is being reprinted in the book.

No it does not. Like I say, it could just be rules for a single squad.

More likely, it will be one HQ and one squad, possibly one vehicle, just like GK are rumored to get an hq, terminators, and the dreadknight.

If I can bring dreadknights with my sisters easily..I'm so down. Some sort of scary close combat option that isn't a whole additional army sounds lovely.

**JohnHwangDD**

If plastics are coming, then the entire range becomes unavailable.

**mmzero252**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
If plastics are coming, then the entire range becomes unavailable.

Isn't that basically the case as is? There's almost nothing left on the webstore. I bet the molds have run their course at this point so they finally need to break out the new plastic molds.

**AnomanderRake**

Melissia wrote:
Grand.Master.Raziel wrote:
Melissia wrote:
That quote doesn't say the entire Sisters codex is being reprinted in the book.

No it does not. Like I say, it could just be rules for a single squad.

More likely, it will be one HQ and one squad, possibly one vehicle, just like GK are rumored to get an hq, terminators, and the dreadknight.

Wait, there's more than that in our Codex? (Kidding. We have Purifiers too.)

**JohnHwangDD**

mmzero252 wrote:
JohnHwangDD wrote:
If plastics are coming, then the entire range becomes unavailable.

Isn't that basically the case as is? There's almost nothing left on the webstore. I bet the molds have run their course at this point so they finally need to break out the new plastic molds.

Huh? The Sisters line was never particularly large, and as of this morning, all of the staples are still available.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

Melissia wrote:
I'd like to see Sisters gain close-combat focused bikers-- think jousting knights, with power lances, stormshields, and chainswords or power swords.

Would mechanical steeds be cool or lame?

JohnHwangDD wrote:
Huh? The Sisters line was never particularly large, and as of this morning, all of the staples are still available.

Basic sisters are a staple (and absolutely required to have a legal army) and are out of stock in a bunch of place, including France.