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Perhaps we have ended up at square one then...

 Vash108 wrote:
There is a huge difference between the protection some women wear then the over exaggerated breasts the sisters have.

See this is the problem. You're using realistic historical armour to compare to a fantasy space game where the playing pieces are only 1 inch tall. If you miniaturised that picture and gave her a helmet, you would have no way of telling there was a woman under there. the accentuations of the sisters models exist to help show you it is a woman. and has probably been done in the most tasteful way possible. If you want a GW example of realistic armour on a woman, go and look at the Eowyn models from the Lord of the Rings range. Note that hey have been sculpted helmetless. because if they gave her the helmet, it would be impossible to tell her from a regular Rohan warrior.

I think your definition of taste and my own differ greatly.

Lets just make everything like this and we can use our imaginations to fill in the gaps.



Although those sprue crons look like they might have some boob armor going on there......

Or giant muscle-man pecs

 Vankraken wrote:
Although those sprue crons look like they might have some boob armor going on there......

Godammit Vankraken, you're just as bad as those designers at GW!

I can only speak for myself but I think the "boob armor" on the actual SOB miniatures are quite subdued.

In the grim darkness of the future, breast enhancement surgery in the IoM is mandatory for any woman going into battle.

GW is capable of portraying female soldiers with some taste, DE Wyches for example. But I guess they're elves in space so they're not supposed to have large breasts? I don't really hear people complaining about not being able to recognize if they're male or female though.

I'm not fussed either way though I tend towards a non-cheesecake preference to my toys. As long as the end result isn't over the top like some of the smaller mini makers on the market, I won't have a problem with the result.

 agnosto wrote:
In the grim darkness of the future, breast enhancement surgery in the IoM is mandatory for any woman going into battle.

GW is capable of portraying female soldiers with some taste, DE Wyches for example. But I guess they're elves in space so they're not supposed to have large breasts? I don't really hear people complaining about not being able to recognize if they're male or female though.

I'm not fussed either way though I tend towards a non-cheesecake preference to my toys. As long as the end result isn't over the top like some of the smaller mini makers on the market, I won't have a problem with the result.

Are you talking about these wyches?

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Dark-Eldar-Wyches?_requestid=5361489

From the pictures their boobs are about equivalently sized to Sister's boobs.

Honestly I think a lot of the problem comes from looking at oversized images When you shrink models down to the size they are in real life, features get lost and exaggeration is the norm (at least within the realm of GW, but many other manufacturers as well).

People need to shrink down the images so they appear 25-30mm tall on their computer screens, then come back to me and let me know if they still look over the top or not

Yeah, I wouldn't have gone with the standard wych models.

Lelith would be a better example, I think. Her boob to body ratio is lower than the standard wych models and the new succubus.

Lelith could easily pass for a male Wardancer

AllSeeingSkink wrote:


Honestly I think a lot of the problem comes from looking at oversized images When you shrink models down to the size they are in real life, features get lost and exaggeration is the norm (at least within the realm of GW, but many other manufacturers as well).

People need to shrink down the images so they appear 25-30mm tall on their computer screens, then come back to me and let me know if they still look over the top or not

That's a good point. When assembling them, I've put male heads on female wych bodies by accident. From 4 feet away, I can't even tell if they're male or female. Admittedly I don't own SoB minis so I can't compare.

To be completely fair, I looked up the current line of SoB models and I don't think that they're over sexualized. I think the problem is that they wear metal/composite armor which causes a mental disconnect that there's any allowance made for breasts at all whereas wyches wear something like leather which makes more sense that you can see an outline of breasts.

From a fluff perspective, is there a specific template for creating power armor with breast cups? Odd that they made something like that during the golden age of man.

 agnosto wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:


Honestly I think a lot of the problem comes from looking at oversized images When you shrink models down to the size they are in real life, features get lost and exaggeration is the norm (at least within the realm of GW, but many other manufacturers as well).

People need to shrink down the images so they appear 25-30mm tall on their computer screens, then come back to me and let me know if they still look over the top or not

That's a good point. When assembling them, I've put male heads on female wych bodies by accident. From 4 feet away, I can't even tell if they're male or female. Admittedly I don't own SoB minis so I can't compare.

To be completely fair, I looked up the current line of SoB models and I don't think that they're over sexualized. I think the problem is that they wear metal/composite armor which causes a mental disconnect that there's any allowance made for breasts at all whereas wyches wear something like leather which makes more sense that you can see an outline of breasts.

From a fluff perspective, is there a specific template for creating power armor with breast cups? Odd that they made something like that during the golden age of man.

From a fluff perspective, I believe it was made by Vandire during the Age of Apostasy. Because lets be honest, it's Vandire I believe the Ecclesiarchy kept it due to the whole "no men under arms law". The armour made them look like women on the battlefield so no one could accuse them of hiding men under there and breaking the edict.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Vash108 wrote:
There is a huge difference between the protection some women wear then the over exaggerated breasts the sisters have.

See this is the problem. You're using realistic historical armour to compare to a fantasy space game where the playing pieces are only 1 inch tall. If you miniaturised that picture and gave her a helmet, you would have no way of telling there was a woman under there. the accentuations of the sisters models exist to help show you it is a woman. and has probably been done in the most tasteful way possible. If you want a GW example of realistic armour on a woman, go and look at the Eowyn models from the Lord of the Rings range. Note that hey have been sculpted helmetless. because if they gave her the helmet, it would be impossible to tell her from a regular Rohan warrior.

There's also the fact that women weren't allowed on the battlefield in most cultures in that period of time, so the few women recorded as battling in that time period were wearing armor made for a man. Looking at the female pictured, there is really nothing to suggest that isn't simply a unisex chest plate.

Problem is people keep forgetting during the time of the medieval and renaisance period knights who could afford their own armor, wore some of the gawdiest pieces of armor there were(not to be confused with jousting armor), they did not wear what was comfortable, or what was useful in battle, they wore to show off, plain and simple and the very few female warriors did the same, they dress in armor to show off, so yes they would have worn armor that had big old breast plates, the knight lord is out inspecting his men and his lady comes along he is wearing some ugly piece of armor that has no rhyme or function and she is wearing a piece of boob plate armor, practicality did not exist back then.

what many people construe as armor is what was known back then as inherited armor, it was not flashy, it was not showy, and it was not for the rich, it is what the lower class knights and foot soldiers wore, it was cheap and basic.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
See this is the problem. You're using realistic historical armour to compare to a fantasy space game where the playing pieces are only 1 inch tall. If you miniaturised that picture and gave her a helmet, you would have no way of telling there was a woman under there.

If you want a GW example of realistic armour on a woman, go and look at the Eowyn models from the Lord of the Rings range.

No, go look at the Imperial Guard range. Underneath that baggy uniform and bulky armor, most of the Cadian models are female.

Aside from the Sergeant, of course.

Same with the Kasrkin, etc.



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AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
In the grim darkness of the future, breast enhancement surgery in the IoM is mandatory for any woman going into battle.

GW is capable of portraying female soldiers with some taste, DE Wyches for example.

Are you talking about these wyches?

Sorry, but those are not female. They are males in drag.

ok I think the problem is people think there is padding under SM armor there is not, they claim there is to stop bleeding and such, that is not the case from a SM codex it goes like this:

the Mucranoid - the Weaver: this organ responds to chemical stimuli, causing the Space Marine to secrete a waxy substance that seals his skin

Larraman's Organ - The Healer: when a Space Marine is wounded, the Blood forms an instant layer of scar tissue, staunching blood flow and protecting the wound.

furthermore a space marines armor is worn like a second skin, the connector points from the armor to the skin makes the armor rigid on the body so it does not slide about anyway, furthermore if we look at SoB's who can essentially hold their own with SM's it brings one to deduce they would also have such connections and so forth which brings up the point of not having padding either since they would separate their skin from their secondary skin thereby reducing its abilities. which are located in the Black Carapace which is a shell like ribcage located within the space marine itself and connects with the armor itself, you put padding on you don't have a firm connection.

Why is boob armour such a issue?
Have anyone tought that Sororitas armour might be "unisize" so almost anyone would fit into it? Or have you ever heard about push-up bras? I know, it's basically false advertising, but it exist and it works.

And what would the more developed ladies do if there were little to no place for their precious? Whould they have it amputated so some people on the internet would be satisfied?
Boob plate might be useless (technically), but it's present to underline the feminine figure.

I could also say that Blood Angels (and Roman, Greek, Batman etc...) boob armour is useless because not all of them have muscles so large to fit. And guess what? It's there to underline the masculine figure.

And last thing, GW decided to make SoB/SoS with boob armour. If you don't like it, buy Space Marines and perform an headswap. Easy.

 Hawky wrote:
Why is boob armour such a issue?
Have anyone tought that Sororitas armour might be "unisize" so almost anyone would fit into it?

What would the more developed ladies do if there were little to no place for their precious? Whould they have it amputated so some people on the internet would be satisfied?
Boob plate might be useless (technically), but it's present to underline the feminine figure.

that is what the Amazons did too one of their boobs so it would not get in the way of their bow strings.

Because they fought (mostly) armorless. If you wear a piece of armour, it protects you from bruises caused by bow strings.

 Hawky wrote:
Because they fought (mostly) armorless. If you wear a piece of armour, it protects you from bruises caused by bow strings.

they could have also worn a strip of leather to do the same, essentially all they fought in was a loin cloth if that me thinks.

heck ancient Greek before the Spartans and Athenians and Corinthian helmets and armor and such came into being fought nude, not even a loin cloth, they were crazy peeps.

 agnosto wrote:
I don't really hear people complaining about not being able to recognize if they're male or female though.

Yeah, most people never notice the Wyches and Guardians and Kabalite warriors are all mixed gender units, and most people never notice it.
Which give us the following funny facts :
- Those that do notice don't complain about the fact the female characters are not “noticeably female” enough, and the male characters are. Having female models that don't look “noticably female” and male character that don't look “noticeably male” is okay. We don't need a huge exaggeration of sexual dimorphism to enjoy our miniatures.
- Contrary to popular belief, boobplate is definitely not the ultimate tool to discern between a male model and a female model, .

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
I don't really hear people complaining about not being able to recognize if they're male or female though.

Yeah, most people never notice the Wyches and Guardians and Kabalite warriors are all mixed gender units, and most people never notice it.
Which give us the following funny facts :
- Those that do notice don't complain about the fact the female characters are not “noticeably female” enough, and the male characters are. Having female models that don't look “noticably female” and male character that don't look “noticeably male” is okay. We don't need a huge exaggeration of sexual dimorphism to enjoy our miniatures.
- Contrary to popular belief, boobplate is definitely not the ultimate tool to discern between a male model and a female model, .

I always thought they were Hermaphrodites or Transexual, especially the way they dress, keep thinking Rocky Horror picture show when i see them

Asterios wrote:

that is what the Amazons did too one of their boobs so it would not get in the way of their bow strings.

There is no evidence to support this claim, and not much more evidence that they even existed.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/amazon-women-there-any-truth-behind-myth-180950188/?no-ist


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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

- Contrary to popular belief, boobplate is definitely not the ultimate tool to discern between a male model and a female model, .

The hair and faces are generally enough, even from 3' to 4' away.

Asterios wrote:they wore to show off, plain and simple and the very few female warriors did the same, they dress in armor to show off, so yes they would have worn armor that had big old breast plates,

Wouldn't the Sisters of Battle be more of purity and not wanting to "show off" and flaunt it? I am not thinking of Nuns but more like they are for the Emperor and that they shouldn't be looked at that way from anyone else? So why would they want it when all they work for is the Emperor?

Not arguing and saying you are wrong, but trying to remember how Sisters of Battle think since it's been so long ago since I read their 3rd edition codex.

 kronk wrote:

Asterios wrote:

that is what the Amazons did too one of their boobs so it would not get in the way of their bow strings.

There is no evidence to support this claim, and not much more evidence that they even existed.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/amazon-women-there-any-truth-behind-myth-180950188/?no-ist

that is based off Myth which is all we have of them. did they exist? maybe, since burials have been found of women warriors.

Davor wrote:

Asterios wrote:they wore to show off, plain and simple and the very few female warriors did the same, they dress in armor to show off, so yes they would have worn armor that had big old breast plates,

Wouldn't the Sisters of Battle be more of purity and not wanting to "show off" and flaunt it? I am not thinking of Nuns but more like they are for the Emperor and that they shouldn't be looked at that way from anyone else? So why would they want it when all they work for is the Emperor?

Not arguing and saying you are wrong, but trying to remember how Sisters of Battle think since it's been so long ago since I read their 3rd edition codex.

1: don't think purity and the SoB could be said in the same sentence, they are just as blood thirsty as their SM bretheren if not more so (god they love those flamers).

2: 40K does not even get into any form of sex or even sexism really, its all about blood and guts and death and glory.

3: as it goes you are trying to associate them with Nuns, which last I checked nuns didn't fight, but were mostly healers and such.

Asterios wrote:

1: don't think purity and the SoB could be said in the same sentence, they are just as blood thirsty as their SM bretheren if not more so (god they love those flamers).

I think it depends on which definition of Purity we're using.

Purity as in "freedom from anything that debases, contaminates, pollutes, etc." Without question. They are zealots that follow the imperial creed to the extreme. They fight against chaos and treason and all things Xenos.

Purity as in "freedom from guilt or evil; innocence." Not so much. Free from guilt, I'll grant. The self-righteous rarely are plagued with guilt! Freedom from evil? They'd burn a village to the ground to route (root?) out a witch. Innocence? Not so much, I think.

 kronk wrote:

Asterios wrote:

1: don't think purity and the SoB could be said in the same sentence, they are just as blood thirsty as their SM bretheren if not more so (god they love those flamers).

I think it depends on which definition of Purity we're using.

Purity as in "freedom from anything that debases, contaminates, pollutes, etc." Without question. They are zealots that follow the imperial creed to the extreme. They fight against chaos and treason and all things Xenos.

Purity as in "freedom from guilt or evil; innocence." Not so much. Free from guilt, I'll grant. The self-righteous rarely are plagued with guilt! Freedom from evil? They'd burn a village to the ground to route out a witch. Innocence? Not so much, I think.

I'd agree with that notion of purity but not the OP's notion since that would be so anti-SoB but then again its not like they go out as the Harlots of the Empire either, I just don't think they think the same we we do, all they care about is burning the heretic and such.

Asterios wrote:
then again its not like they go out as the Harlots of the Empire either

No, they go out as the Doms & Subs of the Empire, at least that's the latex fetish look that they have crossed up with rigid Catholicism.

Davor wrote:

 General Annoyance wrote:

Davor wrote:


Not at all. I see Sisters of Battles as dominatrix theme. The acrofallegents. (spelling?), the other names that elude me at the moment (damn hate having a bad memory) just screams domination. Nothing wrong with that at all. That is just how I see it.

I believe that viewpoint to be entirely down to interpretation, as I have never seen Sisters fitting in with that theme; outside of the Sisters Repentia, the theme of dominance in the SoB is lacking.

However, I would say the theme of punishment is strong with SoB, since they're all about bringing a painful and terrifying death to the enemies of the Emperor. How you interpret that theme is down to you.

Thank you Sister Repentia. I agree it all comes down to viewpoint. Then again, some people view domination with sexualization while others don't and view it as a life style with no sex in it at all. So now we are back to square one. Boobs like how GW puts on their minis is sexualising the minis and others don't see it like that.

Some peeps get off by seeing feet. Why aren't you concerned about their sexual preferences? I happen to have solid information that most of GW's models have feet after all.


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 Vash108 wrote:
There is a huge difference between the protection some women wear then the over exaggerated breasts the sisters have.

Why are you sharing pictures of Olando Blooms stunt double? But seriously, she could pass for a light framed man IRL, what makes you think anyone would be able to tell she was a woman at 1.5 inches tall?