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Skerr wrote: I am trying to wrap my head around what scalable psychic powers could be. Any thoughts out there?
Perhaps powers increase with army size? I dunno...
Looking forward to seeing tzaangors.
Probably means the powers can be cast as basic or advanced.
Or also "If you use 1 dice to cast, this effect, if you use 2 dice to cast base effect +1" etc would be a easy way to scale. More power you throw at a spell the more It can do "usually"
It could work the same way as Eldar warlocks - the number of models in the unit defines the mastery level / number of powers the unit holds.
You want more power/s, you buy a bigger squad. You lose them in battle, they lose power/s accordingly.
MajorTom11 wrote: Now that we have had a closer look at this massive model, I like most of it, but the cybernetics randomly in the arms... WHY? Ugh design choice imho
Because he is/was a Space Marine and still has his power armour interfaces/black carapace. I think it's a nice callback to his origins.
Ummm... he isn't a space marine, he's a primarch, they did not come out of the same process and as far as I know.. And interfaces and black carapace I could live with, it is the bicep being apparently complete cyber cabling under the skin that makes no sense to me. Also, Daemon Princi'ing used to mean a bit more than wings and bird feet, would have liked to see a bit more tzeentch in his DNA but again, it is just my preference...
Why does Magnus look like that? Because Tzeentch. Basically, any question you could ask about Magnus can be answered "Because Tzeentch."
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I really like those grav-tank, but I really don't think they go well with the Custodes aesthetic. Custodes are baroque and ornate, while these grav-tanks are sleek and scify.
Skerr wrote: I am trying to wrap my head around what scalable psychic powers could be. Any thoughts out there?
Perhaps powers increase with army size? I dunno...
Looking forward to seeing tzaangors.
Probably means the powers can be cast as basic or advanced.
Or also "If you use 1 dice to cast, this effect, if you use 2 dice to cast base effect +1" etc would be a easy way to scale. More power you throw at a spell the more It can do "usually"
It could work the same way as Eldar warlocks - the number of models in the unit defines the mastery level / number of powers the unit holds.
You want more power/s, you buy a bigger squad. You lose them in battle, they lose power/s accordingly.
As TS are closely linked to Tzeentch, I'd guess it'll be like some Tzeentch CSM and CD powers - you can increase the number of warp charges needed to cast the power, but it'll be stronger
another event with previews which do not offer much for me ... the two wolves are ok but not anything special. it has come down to a point where leaked stuff from GW is more interesting than previews from FW. I hope FW delivers in February when the next HH book comes ...
Lets hope for some Sisters of Battle previews then if the rumoured Canoness at the end of Dec is true Perhaps all models are revealed with pre-orders going up the same weekend or the one after?
Skerr wrote: I am trying to wrap my head around what scalable psychic powers could be. Any thoughts out there?
Perhaps powers increase with army size? I dunno...
Looking forward to seeing tzaangors.
Probably means the powers can be cast as basic or advanced.
Or also "If you use 1 dice to cast, this effect, if you use 2 dice to cast base effect +1" etc would be a easy way to scale. More power you throw at a spell the more It can do "usually"
It could work the same way as Eldar warlocks - the number of models in the unit defines the mastery level / number of powers the unit holds.
You want more power/s, you buy a bigger squad. You lose them in battle, they lose power/s accordingly.
Those are great examples, thanks everyone.
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Skerr wrote: I am trying to wrap my head around what scalable psychic powers could be. Any thoughts out there?
Perhaps powers increase with army size? I dunno...
Looking forward to seeing tzaangors.
Probably means the powers can be cast as basic or advanced.
Or also "If you use 1 dice to cast, this effect, if you use 2 dice to cast base effect +1" etc would be a easy way to scale. More power you throw at a spell the more It can do "usually"
It could work the same way as Eldar warlocks - the number of models in the unit defines the mastery level / number of powers the unit holds.
You want more power/s, you buy a bigger squad. You lose them in battle, they lose power/s accordingly.
As TS are closely linked to Tzeentch, I'd guess it'll be like some Tzeentch CSM and CD powers - you can increase the number of warp charges needed to cast the power, but it'll be stronger
That's kind of how the GSC summoning power works. By increasing the warp charge needed, you can change the type and/or number of models summoned. Something like this makes sense for "scalable psychic powers".
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Lets hope for some Sisters of Battle previews then if the rumoured Canoness at the end of Dec is true Perhaps all models are revealed with pre-orders going up the same weekend or the one after?
That canoness at the end of december is pretty weird though. Lone HQ for faction that isn't really active would be extremely odd release. I mean what they would be used for? Lone HQ's aren't that useful and rest of SOB line is in not that great shape. Wouldn't it be more sensible to release bit more than just canoness for first wave of plastic SOB?
I know I would be "duh, let's wait for more models". Definitely don't see any new SOB armies being started just by canoness. Now canoness and box of basic SOB that can make 2-3 different units? That's better.
Lets hope for some Sisters of Battle previews then if the rumoured Canoness at the end of Dec is true Perhaps all models are revealed with pre-orders going up the same weekend or the one after?
That canoness at the end of december is pretty weird though. Lone HQ for faction that isn't really active would be extremely odd release. I mean what they would be used for? Lone HQ's aren't that useful and rest of SOB line is in not that great shape. Wouldn't it be more sensible to release bit more than just canoness for first wave of plastic SOB?
I know I would be "duh, let's wait for more models". Definitely don't see any new SOB armies being started just by canoness. Now canoness and box of basic SOB that can make 2-3 different units? That's better.
Just because he didn't mention more doesn't mean there wont be more. Perhaps his source only knew/heard about a Canoness release but nothing more. So there might be more but no rumor monger has heard more. If I glanced over the Jan release list and saw a bunch of SoB stuff I'm 100% sure I'd glance at the other stuff but if it wasn't SoB stuff I wouldn't remember any of it as it's not important to me. There are numerous reasons why nothing more has been mentioned, just pick an option and pray for more rumors. Even though I listened to the plastic sisters of battle found in a garbage bin (kinda ironic that when we finally get a confirmation (IT'S A CONFIRMATION GOD DAMN IT!) it's found in a GW garbage bin) I'm still skeptical but I keep praying and hoping for more rumours/info.
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- Custodes are older than Thunder Warriors. Info about their creation is heavily guarded by the Emperor. No packers.
Custodes older than TW... how could the Emperor produce crude SM after creating Custodes, the best marine-y guys ever?
Because Custodes aren't super-marines. They are prototype Primarchs.
Consider, a Space Marine is an ordinary human surgically implanted with cultured organs that mess with his biochemistry to make them super-human in many ways. Those organs can reproduce themselves but an individual marine, assuming all the hormonal messing around even leaves them fertile, would produce nothing more or less than a normal human child if he mated with a human woman and didn't accidentally kill her.
A Primarch, on the other hand, is a wholly engineered being, built from the ground (or indeed, if Magnus is to be believed, the very soul) upwards to be exactly what they are. They may or may not be "fertile" but their entire species is male, assuming they are even all the same species as each other.
The Marine project was stabilised by donations from the Primarchs, which is why the Legions all have characters that match their donor which at a minimum means they were completed after the start of the Primarch project.
So how did the Emperor create the Custodes? Same way he created the Primarchs but on a much reduced scale. I reckon they are similarly wholly engineered and thus a separate species of their own, unable to self replicate because the Emperor never gave them the means. They may be "immortal" in that they don't age but I bet the Emperor never left any notes on how to make more to replace combat losses.
I bet they're resource intensive to spawn too, like needing special nutrients and daily care in the vat to mature properly.
Which goes back to why the Marine project was started in the first place: the Emperor couldn't make enough Custodes fast enough to win a war for control of Earth so he made (or commissioned; there are several things that suggest that at least some of the work on it was not His own) the Marine implants to quickly generate an overwhelming, easily replaceable force from the masses of humans that were just running around outside the lab.
Best explanation I have ever read. Well done Sir!
Thank you.
But wait, there's more: everyone speculates that the Grey Knights are not made from any gene-seed that existed at the start of the Heresy and further rumour that He was their "Primarch" but, what if none of that were true?
What if the Grey Knights were created by the same people that created the original, unstable, Marine process that the Emperor fixed using samples from his Primarchs? And, further, that they had neither the expertise, nor the access, nor the desire to get fresh samples from the remaining loyal Primarchs… but could get and use samples from the Emperor's most loyal and devoted champions; the Adeptus Custodes…?
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Lets hope for some Sisters of Battle previews then if the rumoured Canoness at the end of Dec is true Perhaps all models are revealed with pre-orders going up the same weekend or the one after?
That canoness at the end of december is pretty weird though. Lone HQ for faction that isn't really active would be extremely odd release. I mean what they would be used for? Lone HQ's aren't that useful and rest of SOB line is in not that great shape. Wouldn't it be more sensible to release bit more than just canoness for first wave of plastic SOB?
I know I would be "duh, let's wait for more models". Definitely don't see any new SOB armies being started just by canoness. Now canoness and box of basic SOB that can make 2-3 different units? That's better.
My two cents is that GW actually has no way to forecast sales for SoBAT ALL and is using the canoness to determine their production runs. My guess is the canoness comes out, then nothing for 2-3 weeks, then the codex+peripherals+another character, then the first week of full releases. Think about it, if they do their normal production runs and SoB players predictions come true, people will be waiting MONTHS to get stuff. Flipside if they go with SOB player's predictions and it's just a normal sales day then they're screwed their too.
ERJAK wrote: My two cents is that GW actually has no way to forecast sales for SoBAT ALL and is using the canoness to determine their production runs. My guess is the canoness comes out, then nothing for 2-3 weeks, then the codex+peripherals+another character, then the first week of full releases. Think about it, if they do their normal production runs and SoB players predictions come true, people will be waiting MONTHS to get stuff. Flipside if they go with SOB player's predictions and it's just a normal sales day then they're screwed their too.
Except that's lousy way to do it. Not many would bother with just Canoness so rather wait for more so this would lead hugely inaccurate data. Also how fast they can cast, pack and ship stuff anyway?
Also they didn't do that with dark eldar that was similar leap of faith to unknown...
I'm betting either canoness being wrong being released on january/february with rest or there's more than just canoness on december.
I don't see the issue with just releasing a Canoness clampack: SoB are a current army sold by GW and they can just update one model. They've done this with WHFB/AoS already, putting out a single character model that isn't connected to any other release such as the Saurus Scar-Veteran and the Nurgle Chaos Lord.
Of course, I hope it's the start of a whole range, but it's not unprecedented to just have a character model appear apropos of nothing.
ERJAK wrote: My two cents is that GW actually has no way to forecast sales for SoBAT ALL and is using the canoness to determine their production runs. My guess is the canoness comes out, then nothing for 2-3 weeks, then the codex+peripherals+another character, then the first week of full releases. Think about it, if they do their normal production runs and SoB players predictions come true, people will be waiting MONTHS to get stuff. Flipside if they go with SOB player's predictions and it's just a normal sales day then they're screwed their too.
Except that's lousy way to do it. Not many would bother with just Canoness so rather wait for more so this would lead hugely inaccurate data. Also how fast they can cast, pack and ship stuff anyway?
Also they didn't do that with dark eldar that was similar leap of faith to unknown...
I'm betting either canoness being wrong being released on january/february with rest or there's more than just canoness on december.
I agree that it's not the best way to do it, but you have yo remember that these are "FEMALE MINIS!", there is a large section of the industry and a decent section of the fandom that are convinced that selling fully clothed female models is completely impossible. Dark eldar weren't nearly as much of a stretch by what the typical miniature collector purchases.
I mean just look at SoS, forgeworld straight up siad they haven't made anything for SoS because they wanted to see how they sold first.
As for no one being interested in just that canoness, I'm already planning on buying 3 and I bet every other Sisters player in the world is gonna want at least 2, not to mention the painters if it's a good sculpt.
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Perhaps all models are revealed with pre-orders going up the same weekend or the one after?
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