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For discussion of the upcoming Traitor Legions supplement, see here:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/705017.page

So its offical, there is going to be a codex for the imperial agents and a suplement for the traitor legions.

And the source is the warhammer community website: http://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/11/19/this-december-all-is-dust-and-loads-of-new-books/

 dan2026 wrote:
TRAITOR LEGIONS 'Nine is the magic number this month, as within this 136-page softback supplement to Codex Space Marines are army special rules, exclusive Detachments, Warlord Traits, Tactical Objectives and Chaos Artefacts for each of the Traitor Legions - the nine legions who followed their Primarchs into treachery and heresy as they turned from the Emperor's light. (avail 10 Dec)

IMPERIAL AGENTS Loyal sons and daughters of the Imperium take heart, as whilst the Ruinous Powers may seek to be in ascendance as the year wanes, the God-Emperor's most righteous agents stalk the stars ready to enact his will.
Codex: Imperial Agents contains nine subfactions of the Imperial war-machine, from agents of the Inquisition to Wyrdvane Psykers of the Adeptus Astra Telepathica to reinforce your armies of the Imperium. After all, Deathwatch Kill Teams and Imperial Assassins are just as likely to be found working alongside regiments of the Astra MIlitarum or Space Marine strike forces as they are working by themselves, giving the Armies of the Imperium increased tactical choice and scope to conquer any foe.
Within this volume you'll find background and rules for using nine smaller factions alongside your existing armies of the Imperium, from the Grey Knight Terminator squads to the BATTLE SISTERS OF THE ADEPTA SORORITAS.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
traitor legions video advert on facebook

https://www.facebook.com/WarhammerTVteam/videos/287982648263387/


date given 3rd Dec (not clear if tht's preorder or release)

Mirthless56 wrote:
Just going to. leave.. this.. here.
http://imgur.com/a/iYISl

 MadCowCrazy wrote:


Here is a flip trough of December WD

GW making all the right moves lately.

What is this new feeling I feel?

Oh my. When BoLS was reporting this rumor earlier I laughed it off, but this is a real surprise.

Wow... Sisters... not squatted... but relegated to a portion of a book? I'm not sure how I feel about that... but it does make sense. Hell, I wish they rolled in my Grey Knights as that Codex is pretty damn lean with decent units, and could've easily shared this book too.

TRAITOR LEGIONS 'Nine is the magic number this month, as within this 136-page softback supplement to Codex Space Marines are army special rules, exclusive Detachments, Warlord Traits, Tactical Objectives and Chaos Artefacts for each of the Traitor Legions - the nine legions who followed their Primarchs into treachery and heresy as they turned from the Emperor's light. (avail 10 Dec)

IMPERIAL AGENTS Loyal sons and daughters of the Imperium take heart, as whilst the Ruinous Powers may seek to be in ascendance as the year wanes, the God-Emperor's most righteous agents stalk the stars ready to enact his will.
Codex: Imperial Agents contains nine subfactions of the Imperial war-machine, from agents of the Inquisition to Wyrdvane Psykers of the Adeptus Astra Telepathica to reinforce your armies of the Imperium. After all, Deathwatch Kill Teams and Imperial Assassins are just as likely to be found working alongside regiments of the Astra MIlitarum or Space Marine strike forces as they are working by themselves, giving the Armies of the Imperium increased tactical choice and scope to conquer any foe.
Within this volume you'll find background and rules for using nine smaller factions alongside your existing armies of the Imperium, from the Grey Knight Terminator squads to the BATTLE SISTERS OF THE ADEPTA SORORITAS.

This marries up with the rumour of the plastic Cannoness in December. I can see this being a redo of the Witch Hunters dex, with the Sisters being the primary faction with backup from some smaller factions. Finally...

So will we get new rules or are they just combining the Assassins, Inquisition and Sisters books into one book and throwing in Custodes and Silent Sisters to make a jumbled mess?

I just hope that you can still play each subfaction on its own

Loopstah wrote:
So will we get new rules or are they just combining the Assassins, Inquisition and Sisters books into one book and throwing in Custodes and Silent Sisters to make a jumbled mess?

Considering this was only announced like 15 minutes ago, there's no answer yet. I imagine because it's got other factions mentioned, that it will be a rewrite.

Oh my... Grey Knights are included? WOAH

Loopstah wrote:
So will we get new rules or are they just combining the Assassins, Inquisition and Sisters books into one book and throwing in Custodes and Silent Sisters to make a jumbled mess?

Lets hope the assassins see a revision. Outside of the culexus, the other 3 assassins desperately need buffs.

Shows how much I know about literally anything.

I'm curious how will this actually work, because as of now, any Imperial faction could just pretty much just add a formation (cough, Psykana Division, cough), a single unit (assassins) or just allied detachment (Inquisition).

I don't understand the Imperial Agents part. With the Armies of the Imperium in the allies section, every Imperial unit can be played just fine with every other Imperial unit. Is this just making it easier to include single units from another codex, like letting them be part of a CAD? What are we looking forward to here?

Maybe this is providing a rules update to all the odds and ends of the Imperium, but then referencing Deathwatch wouldn't make any sense because they just had a release. I don't understand...

 Quarterdime wrote:
I don't understand the Imperial Agents part. With the Armies of the Imperium in the allies section, every Imperial unit can be played just fine with every other Imperial unit. Is this just making it easier to include single units from another codex, like letting them be part of a CAD? What are we looking forward to here?

Maybe this is providing a rules update to all the odds and ends of the Imperium, but then referencing Deathwatch wouldn't make any sense because they just had a release. I don't understand...

If they did it would create some fun flexibility in armies that could stand to bolster each-other. Adding Dreadknights, to Exorcists, etc... might create one army book that legitimately has good choices in every slot.

 Quarterdime wrote:

Maybe this is providing a rules update to all the odds and ends of the Imperium, but then referencing Deathwatch wouldn't make any sense because they just had a release. I don't understand...

Maybe the Deathwatch FAQ was so substantial, they just wanted a do over. They have taken a pretty long time on it. I would hope at the very least that whatever ends up being in the FAQ makes it into this book.

I didn't want to believe it...but....now...

This reminds me so much of this:

Finally. FINALLY.

It has been a long and dark decade in the wilderness. Over 9 years since the Great Betrayal that saw the Legions rendered down to nothing but a paint job. We have spent an untold amount of days listening to the laughter of thirsty morons, with their cries of "counts as" and "the Legions are all broken up and shouldn't have rules" as they lap up the endless attention the Loyalists get, not just in rules but in miniature releases as well.

We still don't have plastic Oblits. We still don't have plastic heavy weapons. Most of our HQ's are resin. When they last gave us vehicles we got Dinobots and Hellturkeys. And as much as I like the kit, our basic infantry haven't really been updated in over 10 years (meanwhile the Blood Angels get their own special Tac Squad, even though they don't differ from regular Tac Squads, and all the loyalists got conversion kits on top of their special squads).

But no more! After such a long time listening to people tell us why we couldn't have what Forge World clearly proved what could be done with Legion rules, the time has time come.

Come for what, you ask?

VINDICATION!



Rue this day, all'a y'all who said Traitor Legions shouldn't get rules. Rue it hard!

 stompygitz wrote:
This reminds me so much of this:

Yes. Very much so.

It's not squatting or relegating. It's returning to 2nd and 3rd ed roots.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Finally. FINALLY.

It has been a long and dark decade in the wilderness. Over 9 years since the Great Betrayal that saw the Legions rendered down to nothing but a paint job. We have spent an untold amount of days listening to the laughter of thirsty morons, with their cries of "counts as" and "the Legions are all broken up and shouldn't have rules" as they lap up the endless attention the Loyalists get, not just in rules but in miniature releases as well.

We still don't have plastic Oblits. We still don't have plastic heavy weapons. Most of our HQ's are resin. When they last gave us vehicles we got Dinobots and Hellturkeys. And as much as I like the kit, our basic infantry haven't really been updated in over 10 years (meanwhile the Blood Angels get their own special Tac Squad, even though they don't differ from regular Tac Squads, and all the loyalists got conversion kits on top of their special squads).

But no more! After such a long time listening to people tell us why we couldn't have what Forge World clearly proved what could be done with Legion rules, the time has time come.

Come for what, you ask?

VINDICATION!



Rue this day, all'a y'all who said Traitor Legions shouldn't get rules. Rue it hard!

While this is great, now chaos have yet another book needed to play

 TheLumberJack wrote:


While this is great, now chaos have yet another book needed to play

Depends on how the 9 Detachments/Traits/Etc are styled.

I personally loathe Traitor's Hate. It's no benefit to my 40k Death Guard whatsoever - the formations are all bloated with things I'm not likely to take or just don't fit into the Death Guard fluff (bikes or raptors? Really?). I'll use it for my generic 30k Death Guard if I decide to use them as generic CSM but....yeah, didn't impress me too much.

Now hopefully there's a nice solid detachment that will give me some love for sticking to my lore, not going 'ZOMG DINOBOTS' which make no sense in a Death Guard force based by the fluff and not deciding I needed Hellturkeys or Bikespam in an infantry based force.

 TheLumberJack wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Finally. FINALLY.

It has been a long and dark decade in the wilderness. Over 9 years since the Great Betrayal that saw the Legions rendered down to nothing but a paint job. We have spent an untold amount of days listening to the laughter of thirsty morons, with their cries of "counts as" and "the Legions are all broken up and shouldn't have rules" as they lap up the endless attention the Loyalists get, not just in rules but in miniature releases as well.

We still don't have plastic Oblits. We still don't have plastic heavy weapons. Most of our HQ's are resin. When they last gave us vehicles we got Dinobots and Hellturkeys. And as much as I like the kit, our basic infantry haven't really been updated in over 10 years (meanwhile the Blood Angels get their own special Tac Squad, even though they don't differ from regular Tac Squads, and all the loyalists got conversion kits on top of their special squads).

But no more! After such a long time listening to people tell us why we couldn't have what Forge World clearly proved what could be done with Legion rules, the time has time come.

Come for what, you ask?

VINDICATION!



Rue this day, all'a y'all who said Traitor Legions shouldn't get rules. Rue it hard!

While this is great, now chaos have yet another book needed to play

True, but atleast the Legions have returned.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 stompygitz wrote:
This reminds me so much of this:

Yes. Very much so.

It's not squatting or relegating. It's returning to 2nd and 3rd ed roots.

Those things are not mutually exclusive.



This kinda sucks.

So many questions......Is the Thousand stuff that will be in Wrath of Magnus be in this? If so, what about the new units, will they be in this? would we have to use the same powers from the old CSM dex, will we get new ones? will the TH powers be put in traitor legions?

pepsuber wrote:
So many questions......Is the Thousand stuff that will be in Wrath of Magnus be in this? If so, what about the new units, will they be in this? would we have to use the same powers from the old CSM dex, will we get new ones? will the TH powers be put in traitor legions?

I would assume so and hope so

I am all on board. Things are being re-energized and looking good.

In our haste to get our hands on these new book, lets just remember that GW has only delivered on 1 of 7 supplements (Deamonkin)in the last 3 years. Lets not get ahead of ourselves.

It will be mine. Oh yes, it will be mine.

heybiff wrote:
In our haste to get our hands on these new book, lets just remember that GW has only delivered on 1 of 7 supplements (Deamonkin)in the last 3 years. Lets not get ahead of ourselves.

Khorne Daemonkin is a full codex. It is not a supplement like Black Legion and Crimson Slaughter.

I think you all, & myself, will be quite content to rock some CSM again next month .