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Infrianty bum rush vs mechanised enemy with heavy pie plates.

Soul eaters gonna get eaten bum rushing that barrage.

Tactics wise. He lose bad without transports or some fire support.

I would actually laugh to see you turn up with no vehicles and just the Macro emplacement instead in a 2k game.

"I said no vehicles!"
"This isn't a vehicle Timmy, it's a building *proceeds to D blast his tanks off the board*"

He wants you to play Deathwatch and Imperial Guard to see if his Horus Heresy army is any good? Wtf?

 TheCustomLime wrote:
He wants you to play Deathwatch and Imperial Guard to see if his Horus Heresy army is any good? Wtf?

Wait... 30k...
There's a offical balence like dpuble squad sizes etc?
To counter fact 20 man units etc.

My first attempt at a fandex was an attempt to recreate Hammer's Slammers from the David Drake novels.

Powerguns were S4 AP2 Assault 2 range 24". Their standard infantry were 6pts each and came with BS4, a power gun, and a 4+ armor save.

I don't recall the stats I gave the hover vehicles. I do recall that the first playtest against my brother was brutal and swift and he never played another game with me ever again.

 master of ordinance wrote:
Guys:
I have a sodding Stormlord AND a Marocannon emplacement.
Do you really think I am going to let Timmy dictate my army to me?

By the emperor, I hope not.


Add me to growing list of people watching this like a soccer mom with a good soap opera.

Well, another update.
I was in town today and met Timmy briefly.

The Tank character has been changed. He no longer lets you spam tanks, he now allows you to roll 2D6 and pick the highest for Warp Charges, rerolling if you wish too.

And Timmy happened to mention that the biggest vehicle he will be bringing is a Land Raider.

 master of ordinance wrote:
Well, another update.
I was in town today and met Timmy briefly.

The Tank character has been changed. He no longer lets you spam tanks, he now allows you to roll 2D6 and pick the highest for Warp Charges, rerolling if you wish too.

And Timmy happened to mention that the biggest vehicle he will be bringing is a Land Raider.

Whut

Well I say met. I was waiting for a bus and he happened to show up.

Does he usually stalk you like that?

Dude I feel so sorry for you
I'm lucky I don't have to play against someone like this or I'd be tempted to buy 9 riptides to troll him with 10 riptides

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
Does he usually stalk you like that?

It was by chance, the town I live near has but one bus station and his busses stand is very close to mine.

Well, the full battle report will be coming in tomorrow or Wednesday, depending on when I find the time, but tonight was an overwhelming success, as determined by the grumbling, complaining and outright accusations of cheese coming from across the table.

Oh, and apparently IA volume two book two is out of date, so using Super Heavies from there is cheating, one should draw them from the GW Apocalypse book, even if they do not exist within it.

Haha, always fun to see the tables turned (sorta literally, as there is a table but I am not sure if it has been turned)

Can't wait for the batrep!

Why is IA2:2e out of date? Any reason?

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Why is IA2:2e out of date? Any reason?

GW Apocalypse apparently supersedes it.

A GW staff member said so. Apparently.

 master of ordinance wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Why is IA2:2e out of date? Any reason?

GW Apocalypse apparently supersedes it.

A GW staff member said so. Apparently.

Well if a GW staff member SAID SO.

Tell them my GW manager said Lasguns were AP2. See if the opinion changes.

 master of ordinance wrote:

 BBAP wrote:


Just... what? Is Timmy one of those people who shows up in all the GenDis threads to whine about how Genestealers should be nerfed because 20 of them killed his Mary Sue Chapter Master?

He has (too my knowledge) complained about:

Tyranids melee being over powered

Genestealer Cults being too good

Patriarchs in particular

Ork numbers

Morkanoughts

Spacewolf outflanking

Imperial Guard numbers

Imperial Guard orders - they are OP, especially FRFSRF

Imperial Guard tank spam - six Leman Russ. He has been known to bring eight tanks plus a Typhon and none LR dedicated transports to a single game before now

Imperial Guard shooting phases

Deathwatch shooting

Deathwatch Frag Cannons

None shadowsword Baneblade chassis

Sentinels

Lasguns (no, I am not making this up, he actually thinks Lasguns are OP)

Hellguns

Macro Cannon turrets

Cover (unless it is his Marines that are taking advantage of it)

As for an update, well I have not heard anything more yet, except that he is building up his new legion (alongside the three other official ones).

I play dark eldar and don't have many games under my belt as them (though i used to play guard in 5th and 4th).

Tyranid melee is actually weak far as i can tell (which is sad given that's supposed to be their specialty). Only thing they have i actually felt threatened by was Flyrants that had guns surprisingly (they do need something good though). Dunno how their melee is but i imagine it's nasty as well. In 4th edition and earlier they were scary though.

GSC are ok but i haven't played em enough to know. GSC having too many reserves can really screw GSC if they don't prepare accordingly.

I think the Patriarch was a bit beefy but i don't think it was too great.

Had some trouble vs ork numbers last game a while back but it was more the lootaz that basically held a death zone i mostly stayed away from. Also i didn't know about some stuff like orks getting to run and charge or something. Keep in mind before dark eldar i've been out of 40k for probably 5 years while playing Fantasy instead. I don't think i'd have as much trouble with ork numbers now esp. when i get the grotesques which should laugh as they cut through them pretty easily. Nothing i faced though seems like something i'd have much trouble with if i had the right units to field.

I haven't faced any giant ork walkers yet so i can't judge.

Space wolves are cheesy for reasons other than outflanking. I don't mind thunderwolf cavalry but the wulfen must've been Ward's dying wish put into rules form. Dark eldar just don't have many good ways to kill em (perhaps groteques but then they'd just get annihilated right after). If i was guard i'd probably spam leman russ shots on em. Also i swear they give out storm shields to everybody these days.

Imperial guard numbers aren't bad and neither are DKoK (though DKoK seem harder even without the vehicles) but from what i've seen a traitor guard player has so many guys he has beaten a Tau player normally and this guy has 2 stormsurge, 1 riptide, 2 ghostkeels, 6 stealth suits (2 units of 3) and shadowsun. That said he also takes a baneblade variant.

Only order i mind is the one that avoids cover being dark eldar but it's not that bad. I'm more bummed to see an imperial guard formation with full walls and bunkers in the list and camo netting. Pray to god they don't get night fighting or their leman russ can get a 2+ cover save and you don't even want to shoot at em for fear of exposing your guys and getting annihilated. Thank god dark eldar have night vision only that game i forgot about it.

Haven't fought the tank spam yet and to a degree i fear it. I don't think i have the AT to handle it.

I know a guy that plays lots of armies and he played deathwatch. Deathwatch are very fragile. From the game i played they probably rank in the same zone as Dark eldar maybe. They aren't that good.

Frag cannons seem alright. DW need some good units and gear (perhaps he just didn't find the groove DW might have).

Dunno about the shadowsword and haven't faced super-heavy tanks yet but i hate knights with a passion after facing one. It's not entirely the firepower so much what i was also facing during it and the fact some dark eldar AT is one shot and get annihilated in durability. Also the shield that can cover a zone in line of sight is stupid. It's really good.

Never used sentinels myself but i've heard of spammed amounts of them being decent. Dunno how i'd handle a crap ton with dark eldar but they don't do much per sentinel last i checked.

Lasguns are usually garbage. They can handle hordes but only slightly. Though i do remember hurting a nurgle greater daemon a lot with them which was just silly.

Hellguns mostly suck. The AP is pretty good but the strength is crap. I laugh that they could probably hurt some stormsurge if they could get there though (and that's a big IF).

I've faced turrets and far as i know they suck.

Depends on how good the cover is which is why i'm taking more melee troops as dark eldar don't have good template or fear bomb style units for going through these things. I'd say my go to for hurting enemies in cover is Reaver jetbikes and they do their job fairly well. May be harder vs more heavily armored guys though esp. space marines with their ATSKNF or just fearless units in general causing me to get locked in combat till i can hit and run.

Deathwatch shooting/frag cannons are absolutely brutal, they have AP2/ignores cover coming out of their nostrils.

HOWEVER

They are so squishy that they need that shooting to even the playing field T2 and beyond.

I'm kinda confused as to why he hasn't complained about Dark Eldar and our ability to move 36" a turn, and all of our opened top transports

 gummyofallbears wrote:
Deathwatch shooting/frag cannons are absolutely brutal, they have AP2/ignores cover coming out of their nostrils.

HOWEVER

They are so squishy that they need that shooting to even the playing field T2 and beyond.

I'm kinda confused as to why he hasn't complained about Dark Eldar and our ability to move 36" a turn, and all of our opened top transports

Heh would you believe i actually try placing my vehicles away from my on foot units now? I've suffered too many explosion results from the open-topped vehicles that i just can not trust them to not blow up and take out a chunk of guys i need like scourge with blasters or something. Those infantry inside are in death traps. Thank god for jink but as time goes on i prefer just landing our skimmers in cover with night shields so i can still shoot with ravagers. Ravagers aren't even really good and you can only take one per heavy support choice which is absurd. Incubi are by far superior but in some cases they don't feel so hot like when enemies have terminators.

Eh, I don't really care for Incubi, but I have pretty limited experience with them. I feel like they need to be taken in units of 5/6 in raiders, but I always wanna bring two units as a security policy, but they are so expensive... I might bring a unit supported by a grotesquerie, simply because the grotesquerie isn't there to kill, but is moreso there to scare the gak out of my opponent and draw their fire for the first 3 or so turns. I make sure to describe all their stats very creepy like...

I generally don't have foot units, I can't think of a good foot unit we have (besides scourge, but I like deepstriking them in with heat lances), but I definitely believe it! My kabalite trueborn feel the pain of the deathtraps quite a bit, I hate that I can't upgrade them to have a 4+ :tear:

 gummyofallbears wrote:
Eh, I don't really care for Incubi, but I have pretty limited experience with them. I feel like they need to be taken in units of 5/6 in raiders, but I always wanna bring two units as a security policy, but they are so expensive... I might bring a unit supported by a grotesquerie, simply because the grotesquerie isn't there to kill, but is moreso there to scare the gak out of my opponent and draw their fire for the first 3 or so turns. I make sure to describe all their stats very creepy like...

I generally don't have foot units, I can't think of a good foot unit we have (besides scourge, but I like deepstriking them in with heat lances), but I definitely believe it! My kabalite trueborn feel the pain of the deathtraps quite a bit, I hate that I can't upgrade them to have a 4+ :tear:

Generally that's what i have on foot (scourge) and yes they are still very vulnerable to exploding death trap open-topped vehicles (which is pretty much all our vehicles outside of flyers). Generally it's scourge with blasters or in some cases haywire blasters (though i'm almost certain haywire are crap now in the current meta which is why i won't take them till i find a reason to).

Incubi are good or at least above average. In one case i had them take out a unit of vets on their own with one overwatch death. Then they assaulted like 20 or more guardsmen and won and murdered them (with still no other deaths to speak of beyond the one). Also as has been said they can take out anything barring storm shield units esp. if the enemy has power fists or thunder hammers. They still go first though and can do damage but it generally comes at a cost of murdering themselves in the process. You only need like 5 incubi per squad but they do work. I'd like to have 2 units of 5 in raiders and then a unit of 4 grotesques with an HQ in another raider and just move up as fast as i can to the enemy lines provided the enemy is a gun-line. If you face a melee army hang back and sort of push your raider to where you'll need it the most before they start hitting your stuff. Just for reference my 5 incubi charged and killed 6 chosen last game before they got the chance to hit back and that was his whole unit. I think one or two people were surprised at that. The Str 4 isn't so hot but the rampage on klaivex, striking at initiative with ap 2 weapons, 3+ armor and just usually hitting the enemy first as long as you don't charge through cover is pretty good. Also incubi have fleet which is good for making sure that they make their charges (grotesques and reavers don't have that).

 Ashiraya wrote:
...What? That someone makes three separate threads to tell us how bad one local guy is somehow makes it better?

What fruitful discussion is there to be had in pointing fingers and laughing?

If he is so horrible then just don't play against him.

If you don't like this thread don't comment. Works the same way. Clearly people are interested and don't mind reading but you do and don't have to.

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I have some power gamers at my local store. The one that always uses his power gamer tau army is having trouble finding games. The eldar player just vanished somewhere (probably into the webway but he played space wolves before if that's an indication). Not like it could be the fact he has one of the most top tier armies and isn't afraid to use it against dark eldar like me. I try my best not to play him but if he's the only one there and i won't get a game in then i have to play the guy. Trust me people make a habit of not wanting to play him and he won't tone down his list. He's also been accused of cheating as if that's needed in a game where you have TAU fighting dark eldar. Also he has a smug attitude that comes with his OP faction.

Keep this in mind. He has smart missile systems which avoid cover and probably most of our armor and can instant death much of our units while also firing units out of the shooter's line of sight. I had my bikes being killed out of line of sight with those stupid things. Yeah playing against him is a pain which is why most don't and he struggles to find a game. Most of his army has a 2+ cover save, is a riptide (3+ inv. most of the time, FnP and a 2+ armor save which is hard enough to kill 1 of) and the 2 stormsurge that just shoot you off the board. Keep in mind his 2 ghostkeel with drones, 6 stealth suits (2 units of 3), 1 riptide, shadowsun and 2 stormsurge are brought to most of his games and the fact poison only wounds gargantuan units like stormsurge on a 6 instead of 4+. There is seriously next to nothing i can do. He shoots multiple overwatch, shoots DS units coming in which are fragile, can fire out of line of sight with smart missiles and is generally un-fun to play as he barely has anything to kill. It's boring and sucks to kill 3 models for the price of your whole under-powered army.

I try to avoid games with the guy but if everybody else is in a game there's nothing i can do.

You could simply just not play him, you know? I doubt this guy is holding a gun to your head, forcing you to unpack your models.

 Lammikkovalas wrote:
You could simply just not play him, you know? I doubt this guy is holding a gun to your head, forcing you to unpack your models.

I try my best not to but sometimes it's in between nobody and playing this guy.

Unless you're talking to the thread OP in which case i don't think i'd even play that guy.

Reavers have fleet, don't all jetbikes?

I think it is a matter of picking your battles, last time I used incubi I admittedly didn't understand that, shoot the choppy, chop the shooty.

They will decimate any not choppy models they charge, and even some of the lighter CC units they charge.

Lack of grenades definitely hurt though.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:

 Lammikkovalas wrote:
You could simply just not play him, you know? I doubt this guy is holding a gun to your head, forcing you to unpack your models.

I try my best not to but sometimes it's in between nobody and playing this guy.

Unless you're talking to the thread OP in which case i don't think i'd even play that guy.

I'd rather not play than play against the Tau player you wrote about, if everyone is avoiding him then no-one is gonna give you hard time for not playing. Eventually that guy changes his list or never gets to play, yeah it's harsh but I doubt anything else works. If you are not having fun playing him why play at all. Not playing is better than suffering through a bad game.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:

 Lammikkovalas wrote:
You could simply just not play him, you know? I doubt this guy is holding a gun to your head, forcing you to unpack your models.

I try my best not to but sometimes it's in between nobody and playing this guy.

Unless you're talking to the thread OP in which case i don't think i'd even play that guy.

I was asking you that question, I just didn't feel like sorting all the quotes to a readable form. No game is better than a bad game.

Okay, so as promised here is the battle report:

And some music to listen too whilst you read it:


Now, I do have to say that the best quote of the night came after the game was over;
Timmy: "There is too much OP cheese in 40K, it shouldn't be allowed".

For the sake of all people who don't like downloading files, here is the report in Google Docs form. MoO, if you upload your own Google Doc version, I'll remove this.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yWvw2_Z4G98x7_EgpgoYwuiRAy0feM8fen-Ffmdn44E

And now to actually read it.

good report..

and mastery lvl 5...
primarch grade marine phsyker....

so deserved a artiallry shell ...