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I would still rather have my kabalite warriors in venoms than Death Guard tacs

 Red__Thirst wrote:

 mew28 wrote:
I gotta say I agree with Traditio this makes chaos marines into 16 point SM bikes with a better FnP. But they walk and don't have twin linked bolt guns.

Also, they don't get better FnP. It's the same FnP you would get if you put a Narthcium in a unit of loyalist biker marines (5+).
-Red__Thirst-

Thats a command squad not SM bikes and cost 28 points a head then if you average in the cost of the Narthcium.

 mew28 wrote:

 Red__Thirst wrote:

 mew28 wrote:
I gotta say I agree with Traditio this makes chaos marines into 16 point SM bikes with a better FnP. But they walk and don't have twin linked bolt guns.

Also, they don't get better FnP. It's the same FnP you would get if you put a Narthcium in a unit of loyalist biker marines (5+).
-Red__Thirst-

Thats a command squad not SM bikes and cost 28 points a head then if you average in the cost of the Narthcium.

Except CSM don't have access to Grav and so will always be inferior to Space Marine bikes.

 BBAP wrote:

 mew28 wrote:
I gotta say I agree with Traditio this makes chaos marines into 16 point SM bikes with a better FnP. But they walk and don't have twin linked bolt guns.

... so not Bikes, then. Don't get Grav Guns either AFAIK. I3 too.

Death Guard are tough. Death Guard always have been. That doesn't make them OP or anything close to it.

Your right being tough on it's own is not worth much. However they have an respectable amount of guns in there squad to the points spent well being extremly hard to kill. It would be easy to put them in a rhino cart them up to an objective and just sit there eating spinefist all day. Also there is more then just grav guns to worry about. plasma or HB can kill most other squads that try to contest an objective.

Lol DG op when a basic csm is neither fearless nor stubborn......

CSM finally can compete and us csm players LOVE IT.

WE'RE BAAAAAAAAACK!

 sfshilo wrote:
Lol DG op when a basic csm is neither fearless nor stubborn......

CSM finally can compete and us csm players LOVE IT.

WE'RE BAAAAAAAAACK!

Well, not back. Just visiting until 8th.

55 posts in, and being the only person agreeing with Traditio? Anyone wanna bet Mew is either a second T-account, or a buddy trying to "give the slip" by having a maple syrup flag?

CSM have some things to help them be competitive against their loyalist counterparts. With only one kid and one friend at my store playing CSM, I welcome the chance for them to be challenging and get some good stuff. Deal with it or rage quit.

 mew28 wrote:

Your right being tough on it's own is not worth much. However they have an respectable amount of guns in there squad to the points spent well being extremly hard to kill. It would be easy to put them in a rhino cart them up to an objective and just sit there eating spinefist all day. Also there is more then just grav guns to worry about. plasma or HB can kill most other squads that try to contest an objective.

Ok Traditio Jr. Let's talk.

'Respectable amount of guns.' What, you mean at most 2 special weapons and BOLTERS in a minimum sized squad which, by the way, costs about the same as your 10 man SM squad does, in fact, probably shy a few points with upgrades. I think you perhaps have them confused with Chosen?

Sure. We could put them in a Rhino and waste 200 points or so sitting on an objective. I mean, it's not like we're Imperials who not only can purchase Rhinos seperately but can also hilariously get 10 of them for free in their meta-detachment who, oh, btw, all have Objective Secured. Luls.

Plasma still kills Plague Marines. You'll find stuff that wounds them on 2s and ignores their armour saves kill them very well. True, they're more resilient to Heavy Bolters...so I guess your 10 free Razorbacks might actually have to have some points sunk into them for upgrades as that's pretty much the only reason you mention HB - I mean, you can get 10 twin-linked ones for free, must be really, really upsetting to see all those points you have spent (all zero of them) not getting a free ride.

Tradito, just stop, please.

 master of ordinance wrote:
Tradito, just stop, please.

He won't... not that we care

 Traditio wrote:
Is anybody keeping up with the Traitor Legions updates?

I'm not sure that I like these updates. Basically, it looks like they're giving out VoTLW for free along with legion specific "chapter tactics." So this means that they get the chapter tactics and the extra LD, but they still cost a point cheaper.

But ok, ok. Small beans.

Death Guard has me deeply concerned.

Basic CSM in this legion are going to be cheaper than necrons, are going to be more flexible than necrons and more durable than necrons.

Is anybody else concerned about this?

Re-Rollable Reanimation Protocols > FnP.

Seriously. Massively.

Death Guard did get a much needed boost (as did Emperor's Children and World Eaters), and can possibly be considered lower-mid-tier, but they're nowhere near as tough as Necrons. They also MUST take MoN, which makes them a point higher.

 sfshilo wrote:
Lol DG op when a basic csm is neither fearless nor stubborn......

CSM finally can not being totally pathetic and us csm players LOVE IT because we lowered our standards THAT MUCH!

WE'RE BARELY VIABLE NOW BUT PEOPLE ARE BU****RT ABOUT THAAAT!

FTFY.

 master of ordinance wrote:
Tradito, just stop, please.

Na he is here to entertain us. Most of us seem to like interacting in those threads seeing the amount of replies his topics get.

 oldzoggy wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:
Tradito, just stop, please.

Na he is here to entertain us. Most of us seem to like interacting in those threads seeing the amount of replies his topics get.

It's a new form of energy being created. Have you not seen the new South Park?

Relentless only looks like a problem because it shows one of the core problems of Tactical Marines: the inability to specialize. Nobody is going to take the Heavy weapon on Chaos Marines, as they're going to be on the move and want to grab objectives, which means you'll be wanting Plasma or Melta.

Meanwhile, Tactical Marines only work as 5 man squads because of them being forced to take a Heavy Weapon instead of a second special weapon, which was one of many reasons Grey Hunters were superior. Yeah we know Grav Cannons are available, but that's Salvo. The cut from 24 to 12 is pretty darn drastic.

I played death guard vs tau the other day. The tau player was trying to deepstrike most of his army so he only had some small units hiding behind walls first turn. My daemon prince only got witchfires, flew over the wall blasted a bunch of units. He failed every leadership test ran off the board and then I won first turn.

DEATHGUARD MAD OP TURN 1 TABLING OF OP TAU RIPTIDE SPAM ARMY!! BOYCOTT NOW!!!!!!!

 coblen wrote:
I played death guard vs tau the other day. The tau player was trying to deepstrike most of his army so he only had some small units hiding behind walls first turn. My daemon prince only got witchfires, flew over the wall blasted a bunch of units. He failed every leadership test ran off the board and then I won first turn.

DEATHGUARD MAD OP TURN 1 TABLING OF OP TAU RIPTIDE SPAM ARMY!! BOYCOTT NOW!!!!!!!

Oh man we need to ban them! Kidding aside your opponent can't even be mad, that's the risk you run with a mostly deepstrike list

Death guard are OP?

*Nervously glances over at world eaters who have the possibility of a turn one 30" minimum charge*

RIIIIIIIIIIiight.

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Death guard are OP?

*Nervously glances over at world eaters who have the possibility of a turn one 30" minimum charge*

RIIIIIIIIIIiight.

That's what's needed vs tau sadly.

Martel732 wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Death guard are OP?

*Nervously glances over at world eaters who have the possibility of a turn one 30" minimum charge*

RIIIIIIIIIIiight.

That's what's needed vs tau sadly.

Oh absolutely and im totally all for it lol.

I just laugh at he idea that outta all of the legions, death guard are the OP ones lol. Hell the alpha legion warlord switcharoo is hilarious IMO

 Backspacehacker wrote:

Martel732 wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Death guard are OP?

*Nervously glances over at world eaters who have the possibility of a turn one 30" minimum charge*

RIIIIIIIIIIiight.

That's what's needed vs tau sadly.

Oh absolutely and im totally all for it lol.

I just laugh at he idea that outta all of the legions, death guard are the OP ones lol. Hell the alpha legion warlord switcharoo is hilarious IMO

Personally I'm giggling at the fact that if you get the right Combat Drugs roll Emperor's Children Marines are actually cheaper and better than Death Guard Marines (15pts for T5, I5, and 4+ FNP instead of 16pts for T5, I3, and 5+ FNP).

Tradio,

I think it best for all concerned that you just give up 40k. You are right about one thing, though, your army will never win.

Funny, that.

His army will never win because he is convinced that options that were free in 5e should have a 50/50 chance of winning any game.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:

Martel732 wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Death guard are OP?

*Nervously glances over at world eaters who have the possibility of a turn one 30" minimum charge*

RIIIIIIIIIIiight.

That's what's needed vs tau sadly.

Oh absolutely and im totally all for it lol.

I just laugh at he idea that outta all of the legions, death guard are the OP ones lol. Hell the alpha legion warlord switcharoo is hilarious IMO

Personally I'm giggling at the fact that if you get the right Combat Drugs roll Emperor's Children Marines are actually cheaper and better than Death Guard Marines (15pts for T5, I5, and 4+ FNP instead of 16pts for T5, I3, and 5+ FNP).

Reliability trumps potential.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:

Martel732 wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Death guard are OP?

*Nervously glances over at world eaters who have the possibility of a turn one 30" minimum charge*

RIIIIIIIIIIiight.

That's what's needed vs tau sadly.

Oh absolutely and im totally all for it lol.

I just laugh at he idea that outta all of the legions, death guard are the OP ones lol. Hell the alpha legion warlord switcharoo is hilarious IMO

Personally I'm giggling at the fact that if you get the right Combat Drugs roll Emperor's Children Marines are actually cheaper and better than Death Guard Marines (15pts for T5, I5, and 4+ FNP instead of 16pts for T5, I3, and 5+ FNP).

Does that factor in the PPM distribution of the Icon of Excess's cost? You need the Icon for the 4+ FNP, right?

Yes, and I think that, should you take a 10 man blob it would be 17pts... if you take a 20 man blob, it's the same. All while being faster and having a better FNP

 mew28 wrote:

 BBAP wrote:

 mew28 wrote:
I gotta say I agree with Traditio this makes chaos marines into 16 point SM bikes with a better FnP. But they walk and don't have twin linked bolt guns.

... so not Bikes, then. Don't get Grav Guns either AFAIK. I3 too.

Death Guard are tough. Death Guard always have been. That doesn't make them OP or anything close to it.

Your right being tough on it's own is not worth much. However they have an respectable amount of guns in there squad to the points spent well being extremly hard to kill. It would be easy to put them in a rhino cart them up to an objective and just sit there eating spinefist all day. Also there is more then just grav guns to worry about. plasma or HB can kill most other squads that try to contest an objective.

I play Wraith themed army with my eldar.

trust me my T6 3+ armor and 5+ FNP (due spiritseer power) Wraith guard with D weapons will be able to hold that objective for 2 turns as best, 3+ if i'm really, really lucky and they are somehow ignored.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:

Martel732 wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Death guard are OP?

*Nervously glances over at world eaters who have the possibility of a turn one 30" minimum charge*

RIIIIIIIIIIiight.

That's what's needed vs tau sadly.

Oh absolutely and im totally all for it lol.

I just laugh at he idea that outta all of the legions, death guard are the OP ones lol. Hell the alpha legion warlord switcharoo is hilarious IMO

Personally I'm giggling at the fact that if you get the right Combat Drugs roll Emperor's Children Marines are actually cheaper and better than Death Guard Marines (15pts for T5, I5, and 4+ FNP instead of 16pts for T5, I3, and 5+ FNP).

It's unreliable and honestly they will whiff it at some point letting you decimate them like any other MEC.

Really five pages? I figured a marine player complaining about CSM would have been laughed off the board in two pages, is that what happened and I just missed three pages of victory laps? *edit* oh it's the same OP as the magnus the red dumpster fire, that explains it...

 BBAP wrote:

 Traditio wrote:
"Incredibly points efficient" is the exact DEFINITION of OP cheese.

no it isnt

why do you do this

just stop

This is a very blatant troll thread, as per usual with this poster. People need to stop feeding this guy.