jreilly89 wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Didnt multiple states, deep conservative abortion provider restricting states like Texas and NC and the south have trials and investigations into the very thing Whembly is parroting and found that PP did nothing wrong?

But hey, just like his boy Trump, he'll only listen to sources that prove the narrative he already believes to be true.

At this point, wouldnt it be in the threads best interest to put him on their ignore lists and stop replying to him?

Yeah, and the whole PP video was faked.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_Parenthood_2015_undercover_videos_controversy#Investigations

A forensic company, coalfire, disputes that.
In the Executive Summary if you read:

...Coalfire's analysis of recorded media files contained on the flash drive indicates that the video records are authentic and show no evidence of manipulation or editing. This conclusion is supported by the consistency of the video file date and time stamps, the video timecode, as well as the folder and file naming scheme. The uniformity between the footage from the cameras from the two Investigators also support the evidence that the video recordings are authentic.

With regard to the "Full Footage" YouTube videos relwased by the Organization, edits made to these videos were applied to eliminate non-pertinent footage, including "commuting", 'waiting', "adjusting recording equipment," "meals," or "restroom breaks," lacking pertinent conversation. Any discrepancies in the chronology of the time timecodes are consistent with the intentional removal of this non-pertinent footage as described in this report.
...

Yeah, except again:

Officials in 12 states initiated investigations into claims made by the videos, but none found Planned Parenthood clinics to have sold tissue for profit as alleged by CMP and other anti-abortion groups. An investigation by the United States House of Representatives Oversight and Government Reform Committee found no evidence of wrongdoing by Planned Parenthood. A select committee, the United States House Committee on Energy and Commerce Select Investigative Panel on Planned Parenthood, was formed to further investigate Planned Parenthood.

So either A) the videos were faked in way that did not have to deal with video tampering (staged actors, etc.) or B) the allegations and evidence have not been enough to convict PP. Either way, PP hasn't been charged. CMP was indicted, but the charges were dropped.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Why should abortion be treated any differently to any other form of healthcare and denied government funding?

Because abortions isn't "healthcare" in today's climate (outside of true cases where a pregnancy can kill you). It's mostly an elective procedure for unwanted pregnancies.

FWIW: I'd be happy if we were like much of the European countries with strict limit at 12 weeks with counseling & waiting periods.

But hey, we can't be like Europe for some reason.

I guess we should also ban confederate flags?

 whembly wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Didnt multiple states, deep conservative abortion provider restricting states like Texas and NC and the south have trials and investigations into the very thing Whembly is parroting and found that PP did nothing wrong?

But hey, just like his boy Trump, he'll only listen to sources that prove the narrative he already believes to be true.

At this point, wouldnt it be in the threads best interest to put him on their ignore lists and stop replying to him?

Yeah, and the whole PP video was faked.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_Parenthood_2015_undercover_videos_controversy#Investigations

A forensic company, coalfire, disputes that.
In the Executive Summary if you read:

...Coalfire's analysis of recorded media files contained on the flash drive indicates that the video records are authentic and show no evidence of manipulation or editing. This conclusion is supported by the consistency of the video file date and time stamps, the video timecode, as well as the folder and file naming scheme. The uniformity between the footage from the cameras from the two Investigators also support the evidence that the video recordings are authentic.

With regard to the "Full Footage" YouTube videos relwased by the Organization, edits made to these videos were applied to eliminate non-pertinent footage, including "commuting", 'waiting', "adjusting recording equipment," "meals," or "restroom breaks," lacking pertinent conversation. Any discrepancies in the chronology of the time timecodes are consistent with the intentional removal of this non-pertinent footage as described in this report.
...

Yeah, except again:

Officials in 12 states initiated investigations into claims made by the videos, but none found Planned Parenthood clinics to have sold tissue for profit as alleged by CMP and other anti-abortion groups. An investigation by the United States House of Representatives Oversight and Government Reform Committee found no evidence of wrongdoing by Planned Parenthood. A select committee, the United States House Committee on Energy and Commerce Select Investigative Panel on Planned Parenthood, was formed to further investigate Planned Parenthood.

So either A) the videos were faked in way that did not have to deal with video tampering (staged actors, etc.) or B) the allegations and evidence have not been enough to convict PP. Either way, PP hasn't been charged. CMP was indicted, but the charges were dropped.

It's definitely not A.

With regards to B... so what do you make of the Senate select committee on this?

 jreilly89 wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Didnt multiple states, deep conservative abortion provider restricting states like Texas and NC and the south have trials and investigations into the very thing Whembly is parroting and found that PP did nothing wrong?

But hey, just like his boy Trump, he'll only listen to sources that prove the narrative he already believes to be true.

At this point, wouldnt it be in the threads best interest to put him on their ignore lists and stop replying to him?

Yeah, and the whole PP video was faked.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_Parenthood_2015_undercover_videos_controversy#Investigations

A forensic company, coalfire, disputes that.
In the Executive Summary if you read:

...Coalfire's analysis of recorded media files contained on the flash drive indicates that the video records are authentic and show no evidence of manipulation or editing. This conclusion is supported by the consistency of the video file date and time stamps, the video timecode, as well as the folder and file naming scheme. The uniformity between the footage from the cameras from the two Investigators also support the evidence that the video recordings are authentic.

With regard to the "Full Footage" YouTube videos relwased by the Organization, edits made to these videos were applied to eliminate non-pertinent footage, including "commuting", 'waiting', "adjusting recording equipment," "meals," or "restroom breaks," lacking pertinent conversation. Any discrepancies in the chronology of the time timecodes are consistent with the intentional removal of this non-pertinent footage as described in this report.
...

Yeah, except again:

Officials in 12 states initiated investigations into claims made by the videos, but none found Planned Parenthood clinics to have sold tissue for profit as alleged by CMP and other anti-abortion groups. An investigation by the United States House of Representatives Oversight and Government Reform Committee found no evidence of wrongdoing by Planned Parenthood. A select committee, the United States House Committee on Energy and Commerce Select Investigative Panel on Planned Parenthood, was formed to further investigate Planned Parenthood.

So either A) the videos were faked in way that did not have to deal with video tampering (staged actors, etc.) or B) the allegations and evidence have not been enough to convict PP. Either way, PP hasn't been charged. CMP was indicted, but the charges were dropped.

It's definitely not A.

With regards to B... so what do you make of the Senate select committee on this?

That until it goes to court and they get convicted (or settle), that I don't see PP as being guilty. Plenty of companies get investigated without being found criminally guilty. Also, I'm in favor of abortions/stem cell research, so don't expect me to be outraged.

 whembly wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Why would I, we've been dealing with it for years now.

No... it's simply a subject matter that you don't tolerate dissent.

 whembly wrote:
[Of course they should have their day in court should it get there....

Also, the House just released their reports:
https://energycommerce.house.gov/sites/republicans.energycommerce.house.gov/files/documents/Select_Investigative_Panel_Final_Report.pdf
Which the report also calls for 15 criminal and regulatory referrals to federal and state authorities for further investigation.

Man this report is massive and it'll take time to absorb...

Magister wrote:

This argument is going in circles and will probably continue to go in circles for the foreseeable future.


What do we all think of this: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jan/04/last-endangered-mexican-porpoises-to-be-rounded-up-by-us-navy-trained-dolphins

??

Rosebuddy wrote:
The confederate flag should be banned, yes. It is the flag of traitors, losers and scum. The eradication of slaver culture didn't go far enough.

 Frazzled wrote:

Rosebuddy wrote:
The confederate flag should be banned, yes. It is the flag of traitors, losers and scum. The eradication of slaver culture didn't go far enough.

Sorry I missed how this ties to anything else in this thread. What did I miss?

Rosebuddy wrote:
The confederate flag should be banned, yes. It is the flag of traitors, losers and scum. The eradication of slaver culture didn't go far enough.

SAN JUAN
Puerto Rico’s new governor was sworn in Monday, promising an immediate push for statehood in a territory facing a deep economic crisis.

Gov. Ricardo Rossello, 37, proposed several measures aimed at alleviating the crisis shortly after he was sworn in at midnight. Among them is a proposal to hold a referendum that would ask voters whether they prefer statehood or independence. Many have argued that Puerto Rico’s political status has contributed to its decade-long crisis that has prompted more than 200,000 people to flee to the U.S. mainland in recent years.

“The United States cannot pretend to be a model of democracy for the world while it discriminates against 3.5 million of its citizens in Puerto Rico, depriving them of their right to political, social and economic equality under the U.S. flag,” Rossello said in his inaugural speech, delivered in Spanish. “There is no way to overcome Puerto Rico’s crisis given its colonial condition.”

The crowd rose to its feet and cheered as Rossello announced that he would fly to Washington, D.C., Monday to back a bill to admit Puerto Rico as the 51st state.

He also said he would soon hold elections to choose two senators and five representatives to Congress and send them to Washington to demand statehood, a strategy used by Tennessee to join the union in the 18th century. The U.S. government has final say on whether Puerto Rico can become a state.

Rossello said he also aims to boost public-private partnerships and use that revenue to save a retirement system that faces a $40 billion deficit and is expected to collapse in less than a year. He pledged to work closely with a federal control board that U.S. Congress created last year to oversee Puerto Rico’s finances, and he has said he supports negotiations with creditors to help restructure a public debt of nearly $70 billion.

“Puerto Rico’s recovery begins today,” he said.

Rossello announced that he has already signed several executive orders, including one to promote bilingual education and others ordering agencies to reduce their budgets and contracts for professional services by 10 percent.

He also seeks to privatize services such as the generation of energy, establish an office to oversee and distribute federal funds to cut down on corruption, and to create financial incentives for doctors to boost the number of dwindling specialists. In addition, Rossello pledged to provide female government employees with the same pay as their male counterparts.

Thousands of supporters cheered as they clutched umbrellas to protect themselves from a searing sun.

“This is a historic moment for Puerto Rico,” said 50-year-old Jose Davila as he waved a large flag from Rossello’s pro-statehood party. “He’s the hope of our island, he’s the hope for statehood, he’s the hope for a people that have suffered.”

Puerto Ricans have been hit with dozens of new taxes in the past four years and increases in utility bills as former Gov. Alejandro Garcia Padilla aimed to generate more revenue for a government he said was running out of money. Despite those and other measures, the island’s government has defaulted on millions of dollars’ worth of bond payments and declared a state of emergency at several agencies.

The federal control board has requested a revised fiscal plan that has to be approved by end of January, saying that the one Garcia submitted last year was in part unrealistic and relied too heavily on federal funds. Garcia had refused to submit a revised plan to include austerity measures. Rossello has said he would request an extension of that deadline as well as an extension of a moratorium that expires in February and currently protects Puerto Rico from lawsuits filed by angered creditors.

As supporters streamed early on Monday toward the Capitol building, one yelled out, “Today, a new Puerto Rico begins!” to the cheers of others, including those holding U.S. flags.

 whembly wrote:
Speaking of flags...

How would a 51 stars flag look?

 Frazzled wrote:

Rosebuddy wrote:
The confederate flag should be banned, yes. It is the flag of traitors, losers and scum. The eradication of slaver culture didn't go far enough.

Sorry I missed how this ties to anything else in this thread. What did I miss?

EDIT: We need to build an (undersea) wall to protect are domestic navy dolphin jobs from cheap Mexican immigrant dolphins.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
So... I'm seeing from a friend's FB post (which was via CSPAN (maybe?) that the Senate has officially voted, today, to repeal ACA.


WTF. Let's hope the morons replace it with something better, and fast, or there will probably be millions of pissed off people.

 Necros wrote:
I think we'll need to just make a few more states so there's a more evener amount of stars. How much does Canada cost? Although I think I would rather we buy Mexico, because tacos.

 Necros wrote:
I think we'll need to just make a few more states so there's a more evener amount of stars.

How much does Canada cost?

Although I think I would rather we buy Mexico, because tacos.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
So... I'm seeing from a friend's FB post (which was via CSPAN (maybe?) that the Senate has officially voted, today, to repeal ACA.


WTF. Let's hope the morons replace it with something better, and fast, or there will probably be millions of pissed off people.

 Necros wrote:
I think we'll need to just make a few more states so there's a more evener amount of stars. How much does Canada cost? Although I think I would rather we buy Mexico, because tacos.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

Rosebuddy wrote:
The confederate flag should be banned, yes. It is the flag of traitors, losers and scum. The eradication of slaver culture didn't go far enough.

Sorry I missed how this ties to anything else in this thread. What did I miss?

EDIT: We need to build an (undersea) wall to protect are domestic navy dolphin jobs from cheap Mexican immigrant dolphins.

It was in response to a remark my Whembly about "being like European countries", to which I used banning the confederate flag as something that would be like a European nation (like how many ban Swastikas), for a "well should we be the same as them or not". I wasn't actually proposing we should (because I do believe in free speech, even gakky speech, I just think we should also tell them how dumb and horrible they are, and exclude them from society as a whole).


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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
So... I'm seeing from a friend's FB post (which was via CSPAN (maybe?) that the Senate has officially voted, today, to repeal ACA.


WTF. Let's hope the morons replace it with something better, and fast, or there will probably be millions of pissed off people.

I think the plan was to make it kick in right after the mid-terms, so they don't catch any flak. It's just more political BS.

 Necros wrote:
I think we'll need to just make a few more states so there's a more evener amount of stars. How much does Canada cost? Although I think I would rather we buy Mexico, because tacos.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
So here is my question: do you see the CIA poisoning your president(-elect) Donald and setting up a coup to put a puppet dictator in charge?

Also, would you personally support this?

and, who knows, it might be much better for the rest of the world if that means no Trump laws allowing you to destroy the climate and pollute the earth we all have to share.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

So here is my question: do you see the CIA poisoning your president(-elect) Donald and setting up a coup to put a puppet dictator in charge?
Also, would you personally support this?
.

 Vaktathi wrote:

Rosebuddy wrote:
The confederate flag should be banned, yes. It is the flag of traitors, losers and scum. The eradication of slaver culture didn't go far enough.

while I would not disagree with the latter, the government cant just ban the confederate flag. They can choose not fly it themselves on government property, but thats about it. And thats as it should be, otherwise they could just as easily ban anything that whoever happens to be in power doesnt like, which is good for nobody.

 Peregrine wrote:
Don't forget that Trump is only the symbolic head of the republican party. The whole party shares his beliefs on climate, pollution, etc. Getting rid of Trump is not going to fix the problem.

squidhills wrote:
The death of President Trump, while in office, would lead directly to the administration of President Pence. Which is not an improvement. I would much prefer his comeuppance arrive at the ballot box in 2018 and 2020, rather than arrive at the hands of an assassin.

 Vaktathi wrote:
The CIA has done a lot of terrible things in many places, but mostly in places that either invited the CIA in or were relatively weak to begin with and far more internally divided than the US, and a lot of the stuff they are attributed is beyond their actual capabilites..