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 Breotan wrote:
So, Sen Session is going through his confirmation hearing today. As usual MTV staff, being part of the popular culture, are keeping it classy.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/10/ira-madison-iii-mtv-writer-deletes-racially-charge/

“Sessions, sir, kindly return this Asian baby to the Toys 'R' Us you stole her from,” Mr. Madison quipped. “Why is she a prop? Sessions argued for policy that in the 1880s was used to discriminate against Asian Americans,” he wrote in a followup tweet.

As Business Insider reported Tuesday, “The child is Sessions’ biological granddaughter. His family had accompanied him to his confirmation hearing.”

After deleting his tweet, Mr. Madison defended himself by tweeting, “I often tell jokes, but seeing as bringing up Sessions’ history of racial hatred of Asians is seen as an attack on his grandchild, I deleted[.]”


And liberals honestly cannot understand why Trump was elected.



No, I think we understand just fine, and it wasn't because someone made a really stupid joke and then deleted it when he realized just how stupid it was.

Is this going to be the new 'thanks, Obama!'? Can we skip right to the part where we use it sarcastically? I'll start!

I can't believe liberals can't understand this is how Trump got elected.
   
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 Breotan wrote:


And liberals honestly cannot understand why Trump was elected.



Z-list hacks making bad jokes about racism excuses 60+million americans for voting for a hopelessly unqualified, pathological liar who throws public temper tantrums near daily?

If Trump was truly elected on the back of butthurt repubs lashing out against the Hollywood elite, then y'all are fethed and may as well develop SkyNet to take over toot sweet.

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 Spinner wrote:
 Breotan wrote:
And liberals honestly cannot understand why Trump was elected.

No, I think we understand just fine...

Okay. Let's put that to the test.

 Spinner wrote:
Is this going to be the new 'thanks, Obama!'? Can we skip right to the part where we use it sarcastically? I'll start!

I can't believe liberals can't understand this is how Trump got elected.
 feeder wrote:
Z-list hacks making bad jokes about racism excuses 60+million americans for voting for a hopelessly unqualified, pathological liar who throws public temper tantrums near daily?

If Trump was truly elected on the back of butthurt repubs lashing out against the Hollywood elite, then y'all are fethed and may as well develop SkyNet to take over toot sweet.

You two really can't see how you're making my point, can you?


 
   
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Again, it should be pointed out, Trump didnt win the general election because of some rising up of pissed off "we've had it" republicans, Hillary lost because the group that normally votes D stayed home while the R's showed up in similar numbers to past elections. It was Hillary Clinton's loss, not Trump's victory.

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 Vaktathi wrote:
Again, it should be pointed out, Trump didnt win the general election because of some rising up of pissed off "we've had it" republicans, Hillary lost because the group that normally votes D stayed home while the R's showed up in similar numbers to past elections. It was Hillary Clinton's loss, not Trump's victory.




I don't know, Clinton did not lose too many compared to Obama...
And Trump did quite a bit better than Romney.

Unless you think the 71k Clinton votes less than Obama 'trumps' the 2 million more Trump got in importance....

Clearly, Trump did better in the states where it counted...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2016/12/29/2016-vs-2012-how-trumps-win-and-clintons-votes-stack-up-to-obama-and-romney/#3b62a7ae7033

http://www.politico.com/blogs/twelve-thirty-seven/2016/04/donald-trump-popular-vote-record-222510

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Only looking at 2012 isn't really a great example. I mean, Obama did 69.5 in 2008, Bush in 2004 did 62, . And that's not actually looking at voter participation (which 2016 was lower than 2008 and 2004, but higher than 2012). These were not exactly untapped voters or anything new. The thing is our voter pool and voter participation have been on a continuous upward trend since 1980 or something. The idea of a new wave of people fed up with people being called racist is not a veiw that looks at the whole picture (plus, the idea of people who aren't racist going "I'm tired of being called racist, let's go vote for a genuine racist!" is a little silly). Trump did bring voters to the republican party (as well as drive some away), but that was because of his grandiose economic theoretic, not anything to do with "liberals calling people racists".

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 Breotan wrote:
 Spinner wrote:
 Breotan wrote:
And liberals honestly cannot understand why Trump was elected.

No, I think we understand just fine...

Okay. Let's put that to the test.

 Spinner wrote:
Is this going to be the new 'thanks, Obama!'? Can we skip right to the part where we use it sarcastically? I'll start!

I can't believe liberals can't understand this is how Trump got elected.
 feeder wrote:
Z-list hacks making bad jokes about racism excuses 60+million americans for voting for a hopelessly unqualified, pathological liar who throws public temper tantrums near daily?

If Trump was truly elected on the back of butthurt repubs lashing out against the Hollywood elite, then y'all are fethed and may as well develop SkyNet to take over toot sweet.

You two really can't see how you're making my point, can you?



As I keep pointing out, and everybody keeps willfully ignoring, liberals/democrats/Clinton are not the ones responsible for the Republican party nominating Trump in the first place. Stop passing the blame.

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Its amazing what 20 years of anti hillary propaganda will do

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 Breotan wrote:
 Spinner wrote:
 Breotan wrote:
And liberals honestly cannot understand why Trump was elected.

No, I think we understand just fine...

Okay. Let's put that to the test.

 Spinner wrote:
Is this going to be the new 'thanks, Obama!'? Can we skip right to the part where we use it sarcastically? I'll start!

I can't believe liberals can't understand this is how Trump got elected.
 feeder wrote:
Z-list hacks making bad jokes about racism excuses 60+million americans for voting for a hopelessly unqualified, pathological liar who throws public temper tantrums near daily?

If Trump was truly elected on the back of butthurt repubs lashing out against the Hollywood elite, then y'all are fethed and may as well develop SkyNet to take over toot sweet.

You two really can't see how you're making my point, can you?



Absolutely not!

You really can't see how the GOP fostered the destructive attitudes and practices that culminated (please, PLEASE let it be culminated) in Trump, can you?
   
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60 million people elected Trump to stop liberals from making comments like those.

Useless. Already failed. Very sad.

There are bigger issues facing America.

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I believe the word would be "beget."

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 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Only looking at 2012 isn't really a great example. I mean, Obama did 69.5 in 2008, Bush in 2004 did 62, . And that's not actually looking at voter participation (which 2016 was lower than 2008 and 2004, but higher than 2012). These were not exactly untapped voters or anything new. The thing is our voter pool and voter participation have been on a continuous upward trend since 1980 or something. The idea of a new wave of people fed up with people being called racist is not a veiw that looks at the whole picture (plus, the idea of people who aren't racist going "I'm tired of being called racist, let's go vote for a genuine racist!" is a little silly). Trump did bring voters to the republican party (as well as drive some away), but that was because of his grandiose economic theoretic, not anything to do with "liberals calling people racists".


And yet making the claim Clinton did not pull in the voters' is demonstrably false when compared to the last election. Just because YOU don't like 2012 does not make it a bad comparison. Clinton got damned near the same number Obama did, that is fact. Trump out-performed Obama's opponent. Again, fact. Trump turned 'blue states' that had not voted red since Reagan. Fact.




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 Kilkrazy wrote:
60 million people elected Trump to stop liberals from making comments like those.

Useless. Already failed. Very sad.

There are bigger issues facing America.


Said more accurately 60+ million people voted for Trump, many in 'blue states' turned red, in part because Obama and Clinton consider them 'bitter clingers' and 'deplorable' and their lives did not get demonstrably better under 8 years of D rule.

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 CptJake wrote:


And yet making the claim Clinton did not pull in the voters' is demonstrably false when compared to the last election. Just because YOU don't like 2012 does not make it a bad comparison. Clinton got damned near the same number Obama did, that is fact. Trump out-performed Obama's opponent. Again, fact. Trump turned 'blue states' that had not voted red since Reagan. Fact.


These things are true and fair. At the end of the game Clinton only really managed to gain ground in one demographic, and she lost or simply held ground in the others. That however doesn't really change that the point he was making was about long term election results, in which Trump was still an under performer (Clinton was as well, but gaining ground on Romney is good for the immediate future of the Republicans but not necessarily inspiring given the final result).

Said more accurately 60+ million people voted for Trump, many in 'blue states' turned red, in part because Obama and Clinton consider them 'bitter clingers' and 'deplorable' and their lives did not get demonstrably better under 8 years of D rule.


Not verifiably true but something many on the right simply keeps insisting is.

Trump turned the states, but suggesting people in blue states turned red is not supported by current data. Obama is walking out of office with a 53% approval rating (higher than Bush Jr. lower than Bill Clinton). I don't think there's any evidence that people turned away from the Democratic party because 8 years of their "rule"* went badly. And seriously. Calling 8 years of near constant Republican obstruction and outright refusal to do anything but oppose unless they got everything they wanted rubber stamped "d rule" is hilarious.

Personally though my favorite part of all of this is the continued insistence that "people are tired of being called racists/clingers/deplorables" so they voted for Trump. That the irony of this is completely lost on the people who insist it never gets old.

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 CptJake wrote:

And yet making the claim Clinton did not pull in the voters' is demonstrably false when compared to the last election. Just because YOU don't like 2012 does not make it a bad comparison.


Well, it does, as we are dealing with a much different year politically in 2012, and, as I pointed out, voter turnout was far lower all round. For reference, Trump got 46% of the vote, whereas Romney got 47.2%. Not only that, I didnt ay it can't be an example, I said using just 2012 was not representative, and showed why by showing the preceding times.



Clinton got damned near the same number Obama did, that is fact. Trump out-performed Obama's opponent. Again, fact. Trump turned 'blue states' that had not voted red since Reagan. Fact.


Actually, no it isn't. Because of several things

A. She had turn out but not for her, but anti-Trump. If she was actually a good candidate/campaigner (such as Obama) that plus the anti-Trump push would have allowed her to win easily.

B. She got 48%, whereas Obama got 51.1 in 2012, and 52.9 in 2008

C. The places where she actually got mass turnout (NY, CA, ect) were effectively useless (as they were going to her anyway.




And even if what you push is true, it still doesn't show some sort of "liberals caused this with racism accusals" thing. The top issue for American voters was the economy, not some sort of precived slight again conservatives. The number two was terrorism, and the number three was foreign policy.

So, no, the "that's why Trump won" meme is BS and will always be BS. It's just trying to blame Trump on "liberals".

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 Ustrello wrote:
Its amazing what 20 years of anti hillary propaganda will do


Republican propaganda convinced Obama voters and Democrats in "blue" states, people who should have been Hillary's ardent supporters, to stay home? I doubt that. Republican propaganda probably got more Republicans to turn out and overlook Trump's flaws. If democrats are paying attention to Republican narratives and being swayed by them then the DNC and the party are running a real pathetic operation. On Election Day when it counted Hillary wasn't a candidate that could motivate Democrats to turn out and that's entirely a Hillary Clinton problem.

The Republican propaganda machine that couldn't make any inroads against Obama in 2012 didn't have the juice to take out Hillary Clinton. The Sanders campaign did more to make Hillary look bad, old, tired, out of touch and corrupt just by existing as an ongoing contrast than anything the Republicans did. People protest voting Sanders into primary victories even though Hillary's nomination was inevitable killed momentum for Hillary and put her campaign on the defensive to the point that they essentially hid Hilllary from the public down the stretch while Trump was whopping up crowds on a stadium tour while crushing Republican opposition.

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I'm thinking of any voters that probably voted for the first time, because they liked Trump on The Apprentice. I imagine that's a higher amount that people give credit for.
   
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Prestor Jon wrote:
 Ustrello wrote:
Its amazing what 20 years of anti hillary propaganda will do


Republican propaganda convinced Obama voters and Democrats in "blue" states, people who should have been Hillary's ardent supporters, to stay home? I doubt that. Republican propaganda probably got more Republicans to turn out and overlook Trump's flaws. If democrats are paying attention to Republican narratives and being swayed by them then the DNC and the party are running a real pathetic operation. On Election Day when it counted Hillary wasn't a candidate that could motivate Democrats to turn out and that's entirely a Hillary Clinton problem.

The Republican propaganda machine that couldn't make any inroads against Obama in 2012 didn't have the juice to take out Hillary Clinton. The Sanders campaign did more to make Hillary look bad, old, tired, out of touch and corrupt just by existing as an ongoing contrast than anything the Republicans did. People protest voting Sanders into primary victories even though Hillary's nomination was inevitable killed momentum for Hillary and put her campaign on the defensive to the point that they essentially hid Hilllary from the public down the stretch while Trump was whopping up crowds on a stadium tour while crushing Republican opposition.


One of the things making me most disappointed about the 2016 race is how it showed everyone in their worst light. On the one hand I have Trump, easily the worst possible contender for president to run in decades crushing people I don't particularly like but at least don't shove foot into mouth near daily. If I'm going to have a candidate with no grasp on reality, I'd have rather had Rubio. At least he's a decent guy all around from what I hear. On the other hand I have a political party that somehow blames itself for Republican obstruction, would rather have "Blue Trump" as a candidate than anyone else, and was so cynical with itself that it produced pathetic turn out numbers.

And to add icing to the gak cake, I now get to be bombarded with conservatives indulging a misbegotten victory lap, liberals acting like stereotyped loons, and a mountain of assorted nonsense about how who "won" when all around all I see is everyone losing and being too self righteous or too dense to notice.

   
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Prestor Jon wrote:
 Ustrello wrote:
Its amazing what 20 years of anti hillary propaganda will do


Republican propaganda convinced Obama voters and Democrats in "blue" states, people who should have been Hillary's ardent supporters, to stay home? I doubt that. Republican propaganda probably got more Republicans to turn out and overlook Trump's flaws. If democrats are paying attention to Republican narratives and being swayed by them then the DNC and the party are running a real pathetic operation. On Election Day when it counted Hillary wasn't a candidate that could motivate Democrats to turn out and that's entirely a Hillary Clinton problem.

The Republican propaganda machine that couldn't make any inroads against Obama in 2012 didn't have the juice to take out Hillary Clinton. The Sanders campaign did more to make Hillary look bad, old, tired, out of touch and corrupt just by existing as an ongoing contrast than anything the Republicans did. People protest voting Sanders into primary victories even though Hillary's nomination was inevitable killed momentum for Hillary and put her campaign on the defensive to the point that they essentially hid Hilllary from the public down the stretch while Trump was whopping up crowds on a stadium tour while crushing Republican opposition.

Well...
A. HRC is unlikable, where Obama is likable and charismatic

B. HRC has been a public figure for years, where as Obama was a relative newcomer.

C. They have been working on her since President Clinton was elected.

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 Tannhauser42 wrote:
As I keep pointing out, and everybody keeps willfully ignoring, liberals/democrats/Clinton are not the ones responsible for the Republican party nominating Trump in the first place. Stop passing the blame.


They are to blame for picking a candidate that lost to him, though, particularly since they were so happy he got nominated.
   
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I don't thin anyone was actually happy for him to be nominated (I mean, besides Trump supporters). I was rooting for Kasich, and before that Pataki, myself.


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In other news, Trump has put an anti-vaxxer at the head of his vaccine panel. "They're both equally bad."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/10/us/politics/donald-trump-transition.html

Anti-vaxxer to head Trump vaccine panel?

Mr. Trump on Tuesday asked a prominent anti-vaccine crusader to lead a new government commission on vaccine safety and scientific integrity, ushering debunked conspiracy theories about the dangers of immunization into the White House.

Mr. Trump, who has embraced discredited links between vaccines and autism, has asked Robert F. Kennedy Jr., a nephew of President John F. Kennedy, to be chairman of the commission, Mr. Kennedy said after meeting with the president-elect at Trump Tower.

Mr. Kennedy’s appointment spread alarm through the medical community, which for years has rejected claims that childhood vaccines are linked to conditions like autism. Medical experts warned Tuesday that Mr. Trump’s actions would endanger children by confusing parents about the need to have them vaccinated.

“It gives it a quasi-legitimacy that I frankly find frightening,” said William Schaffner, a professor of preventive medicine and infectious diseases at Vanderbilt University. He said Mr. Trump and Mr. Kennedy were being fooled by “long-discredited” theories about vaccines.

“This is going to be a sad struggle as we try to protect as many children as possible,” Mr. Schaffner said.

Among his many political pursuits, Mr. Trump picked up the anti-vaccine cause a few years back. In 2012, he tweeted:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/214733405894606850?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

And:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/185734595864563712?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw


These views, to say the least, are not the scientific consensus, any more than scientists believe that climate change is a Chinese plot — another theory once espoused by the president-elect.

https://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/818900058443829249?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

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Since Trump is soon to be elected, I want to remind my fellow Dakka that happens to be US residents of something:
The U.S. has had a long policy of what was called the “Brain Drain”, where they got the educated people from other parts of the world to go work in the US. Also, as member of Dakka, I am certain that you are brains. If not in the sense of having higher education, at least in the sense of being positive creative forces, right? Therefore, if you were to, say, left the US for Europe, it wouldn't be fleeing as much as it would be paying back the rest of the world. Think about it this way!


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These views, to say the least, are not the scientific consensus, any more than scientists believe that climate change is a Chinese plot — another theory once espoused by the president-elect.

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 Compel wrote:
I'm thinking of any voters that probably voted for the first time, because they liked Trump on The Apprentice. I imagine that's a higher amount that people give credit for.

Probably not as many people who turned out for Obama in 2008 and voted for him just because of the color of his skin.

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 Compel wrote:
I'm thinking of any voters that probably voted for the first time, because they liked Trump on The Apprentice. I imagine that's a higher amount that people give credit for.

Probably not as many people who turned out for Obama in 2008 and voted for him just because of the color of his skin.
Which was counterbalanced by the people who voted against him for the same reason.

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So apparently Trump has a sex tape that the Russians hold to ensure his good behavior towards them. Apparently trump likes the golden showers. So if Clinton is impeached because of his infidelity, than surely it should be the easiest thing ever to impeach trump and throw him out once the tape comes out right? my guess is we'll see the GOP accept, normalize and praise trump and sell out their own morals and convictions and pretend the tape doesn't exist even after everyone's seen it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/10/us/politics/donald-trump-russia-intelligence.html

Spoiler:
WASHINGTON — The chiefs of America’s intelligence agencies last week presented President Obama and President-elect Donald J. Trump with a summary of unsubstantiated reports that Russia had collected compromising and salacious personal information about Mr. Trump, two officials with knowledge of the briefing said.

The summary is based on memos generated by political operatives seeking to derail Mr. Trump’s candidacy. Details of the reports began circulating in the fall and were widely known among journalists and politicians in Washington.

The two-page summary, first reported by CNN, was presented as an appendix to the intelligence agencies’ report on Russian hacking efforts during the election, the officials said. The material was not corroborated, and The New York Times has not been able to confirm the claims. But intelligence agencies considered it so potentially explosive that they decided Mr. Obama, Mr. Trump and congressional leaders needed to be told about it and informed that the agencies were actively investigating it.

Intelligence officials were concerned that the information would leak before they informed Mr. Trump of its existence, said the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the summary is classified and talking about it would be a felony.

On Tuesday night, Mr. Trump responded on Twitter: “FAKE NEWS - A TOTAL POLITICAL WITCH HUNT!”

In an appearance recorded for NBC’s “Late Night with Seth Meyers,” Mr. Trump’s spokeswoman, Kellyanne Conway, said of the claims in the opposition research memos, “He has said he is not aware of that.”

Since the intelligence agencies’ report on Friday that President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia had ordered the hacking and leaks of Democratic emails in order to hurt Mrs. Clinton and help Mr. Trump, the president-elect and his aides have said that Democrats are trying to mar his election victory.

The decision of top intelligence officials to give the president, the president-elect and the so-called Gang of Eight — Republican and Democratic leaders of Congress and the intelligence committees — what they know to be unverified, defamatory material was extremely unusual.

The appendix summarized opposition research memos prepared mainly by a retired British intelligence operative for a Washington political and corporate research firm. The firm was paid for its work first by Mr. Trump’s Republican rivals and later by supporters of his Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton. The Times has checked on a number of the details included in the memos but has been unable to substantiate them.

The memos suggest that for many years, the Russian government of Mr. Putin has looked for ways to influence Mr. Trump, who has traveled repeatedly to Moscow to investigate real estate deals or to oversee the Miss Universe competition, which he owned for several years. Mr. Trump never completed any major deals in Russia, though he discussed them for years.

The former British intelligence officer who gathered the material about Mr. Trump is considered a competent and reliable operative with extensive experience in Russia, American officials said. But he passed on what he heard from Russian informants and others, and what they told him has not yet been vetted by American intelligence.

The memos describe sex videos involving prostitutes with Mr. Trump in a 2013 visit to a Moscow hotel. The videos were supposedly prepared as “kompromat,” or compromising material, with the possible goal of blackmailing Mr. Trump in the future.

The memos also suggest that Russian officials proposed various lucrative deals, essentially as disguised bribes in order to win influence over Mr. Trump.

The memos describe several purported meetings during the 2016 presidential campaign between Trump representatives and Russian officials to discuss matters of mutual interest, including the Russian hacking of the Democratic National Committee and Mrs. Clinton’s campaign chairman, John D. Podesta.

The first hint of the F.B.I. investigation came in a Senate hearing on Tuesday in a series of questions from Senator Ron Wyden, Democrat of Oregon, to the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey.

Mr. Wyden, trying to draw Mr. Comey out on information he may have heard during a classified briefing, asked whether the F.B.I. had investigated the Trump campaign’s contacts with Russia. Mr. Comey demurred, saying he could not discuss any investigations that might or might not be underway. Mr. Wyden kept pressing, asking Mr. Comey to provide a written answer to the question before Mr. Trump’s inauguration on Jan. 20, because he feared there would be no declassification of the information once Mr. Trump took office.

After the hearing, Mr. Wyden posted on Twitter: “Director Comey refused to answer my question about whether the FBI has investigated Trump campaign contacts with Russia.”

The F.B.I. obtained the material long before the election, and some of the memos in the opposition research dossier are dated as early as June. But agents have struggled to confirm it, according to federal officials familiar with the investigation.

Allies of Senator Harry Reid, the Senate Democratic leader from Nevada who retired at the end of the year, said the disclosures validated his call last summer for an investigation by the F.B.I. into Mr. Trump’s ties to Russia.

“The evidence of a direct connection between the Russian government and Donald Trump’s presidential campaign continues to mount,” Mr. Reid wrote in a letter to Mr. Comey on Aug. 27.

Democrats on Tuesday night pressed for a thorough investigation of the claims in the memos. Representative Eric Swalwell of California, a member of the House Intelligence Committee, called for law enforcement to find out whether the Russian government had had any contact with Mr. Trump or his campaign.

“The president-elect has spoken a number of times, including after being presented with this evidence, in flattering ways about Russia and its dictator,” Mr. Swalwell said. “Considering the evidence of Russia hacking our democracy to his benefit, the president-elect would do a service to his presidency and our country by releasing his personal and business income taxes, as well as information on any global financial holdings.”



 
   
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sirlynchmob wrote:
So apparently Trump has a sex tape that the Russians hold to ensure his good behavior towards them. Apparently trump likes the golden showers. So if Clinton is impeached because of his infidelity, than surely it should be the easiest thing ever to impeach trump and throw him out once the tape comes out right? my guess is we'll see the GOP accept, normalize and praise trump and sell out their own morals and convictions and pretend the tape doesn't exist even after everyone's seen it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/10/us/politics/donald-trump-russia-intelligence.html

Spoiler:
WASHINGTON — The chiefs of America’s intelligence agencies last week presented President Obama and President-elect Donald J. Trump with a summary of unsubstantiated reports that Russia had collected compromising and salacious personal information about Mr. Trump, two officials with knowledge of the briefing said.

The summary is based on memos generated by political operatives seeking to derail Mr. Trump’s candidacy. Details of the reports began circulating in the fall and were widely known among journalists and politicians in Washington.

The two-page summary, first reported by CNN, was presented as an appendix to the intelligence agencies’ report on Russian hacking efforts during the election, the officials said. The material was not corroborated, and The New York Times has not been able to confirm the claims. But intelligence agencies considered it so potentially explosive that they decided Mr. Obama, Mr. Trump and congressional leaders needed to be told about it and informed that the agencies were actively investigating it.

Intelligence officials were concerned that the information would leak before they informed Mr. Trump of its existence, said the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the summary is classified and talking about it would be a felony.

On Tuesday night, Mr. Trump responded on Twitter: “FAKE NEWS - A TOTAL POLITICAL WITCH HUNT!”

In an appearance recorded for NBC’s “Late Night with Seth Meyers,” Mr. Trump’s spokeswoman, Kellyanne Conway, said of the claims in the opposition research memos, “He has said he is not aware of that.”

Since the intelligence agencies’ report on Friday that President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia had ordered the hacking and leaks of Democratic emails in order to hurt Mrs. Clinton and help Mr. Trump, the president-elect and his aides have said that Democrats are trying to mar his election victory.

The decision of top intelligence officials to give the president, the president-elect and the so-called Gang of Eight — Republican and Democratic leaders of Congress and the intelligence committees — what they know to be unverified, defamatory material was extremely unusual.

The appendix summarized opposition research memos prepared mainly by a retired British intelligence operative for a Washington political and corporate research firm. The firm was paid for its work first by Mr. Trump’s Republican rivals and later by supporters of his Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton. The Times has checked on a number of the details included in the memos but has been unable to substantiate them.

The memos suggest that for many years, the Russian government of Mr. Putin has looked for ways to influence Mr. Trump, who has traveled repeatedly to Moscow to investigate real estate deals or to oversee the Miss Universe competition, which he owned for several years. Mr. Trump never completed any major deals in Russia, though he discussed them for years.

The former British intelligence officer who gathered the material about Mr. Trump is considered a competent and reliable operative with extensive experience in Russia, American officials said. But he passed on what he heard from Russian informants and others, and what they told him has not yet been vetted by American intelligence.

The memos describe sex videos involving prostitutes with Mr. Trump in a 2013 visit to a Moscow hotel. The videos were supposedly prepared as “kompromat,” or compromising material, with the possible goal of blackmailing Mr. Trump in the future.

The memos also suggest that Russian officials proposed various lucrative deals, essentially as disguised bribes in order to win influence over Mr. Trump.

The memos describe several purported meetings during the 2016 presidential campaign between Trump representatives and Russian officials to discuss matters of mutual interest, including the Russian hacking of the Democratic National Committee and Mrs. Clinton’s campaign chairman, John D. Podesta.

The first hint of the F.B.I. investigation came in a Senate hearing on Tuesday in a series of questions from Senator Ron Wyden, Democrat of Oregon, to the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey.

Mr. Wyden, trying to draw Mr. Comey out on information he may have heard during a classified briefing, asked whether the F.B.I. had investigated the Trump campaign’s contacts with Russia. Mr. Comey demurred, saying he could not discuss any investigations that might or might not be underway. Mr. Wyden kept pressing, asking Mr. Comey to provide a written answer to the question before Mr. Trump’s inauguration on Jan. 20, because he feared there would be no declassification of the information once Mr. Trump took office.

After the hearing, Mr. Wyden posted on Twitter: “Director Comey refused to answer my question about whether the FBI has investigated Trump campaign contacts with Russia.”

The F.B.I. obtained the material long before the election, and some of the memos in the opposition research dossier are dated as early as June. But agents have struggled to confirm it, according to federal officials familiar with the investigation.

Allies of Senator Harry Reid, the Senate Democratic leader from Nevada who retired at the end of the year, said the disclosures validated his call last summer for an investigation by the F.B.I. into Mr. Trump’s ties to Russia.

“The evidence of a direct connection between the Russian government and Donald Trump’s presidential campaign continues to mount,” Mr. Reid wrote in a letter to Mr. Comey on Aug. 27.

Democrats on Tuesday night pressed for a thorough investigation of the claims in the memos. Representative Eric Swalwell of California, a member of the House Intelligence Committee, called for law enforcement to find out whether the Russian government had had any contact with Mr. Trump or his campaign.

“The president-elect has spoken a number of times, including after being presented with this evidence, in flattering ways about Russia and its dictator,” Mr. Swalwell said. “Considering the evidence of Russia hacking our democracy to his benefit, the president-elect would do a service to his presidency and our country by releasing his personal and business income taxes, as well as information on any global financial holdings.”




Implying the GOP hadn't sold out their own morals years ago

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sirlynchmob wrote:
my guess is we'll see the GOP accept, normalize and praise trump and sell out their own morals and convictions and pretend the tape doesn't exist even after everyone's seen it.


To be fair, wouldn't you want to immediately forget that you saw a sex tape of Trump?

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 Peregrine wrote:
sirlynchmob wrote:
my guess is we'll see the GOP accept, normalize and praise trump and sell out their own morals and convictions and pretend the tape doesn't exist even after everyone's seen it.


To be fair, wouldn't you want to immediately forget that you saw a sex tape of Trump?


I'd imagine a lot of people wanting to see it for the same reason people look for bodies as they drive by accidents. Then the sale of eye patches should jump incredibly as people gouge their eyes out.

I did miss a joke for the post though.

Well I guess this explains why his hair is orange

 
   
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Rosebuddy wrote:
You brought the sanctions against Iraq up as an example of sanctions being able to "grind" a country:


Yes, and in mentioning it I immediately noted how the sanctions against Iraq were very different to those against Russia. You ignored that.

You were the first person to say that the sanctions have crashed the economy.


Yes, crashed the ruble and cost oil producers and other oligarch operated companies a fortune. You started talking about collapsing an economy and other nonsense.


That you don't care to extrapolate the courses of action you suggest and consider what consequences they may have is on you and does not mean that I am a feeble-minded dolt with a feverish imagination.


No, but what you do constantly is ignore parts of posts that don't suit your pre-determined conclusions, or if a post is in any way unclear you assume the worst possible light without asking for clarity. This makes arguing with you an exercise in constantly having to explain away the fictional version of myself you have created.

It's a tedious exercise.


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 Breotan wrote:
And liberals honestly cannot understand why Trump was elected.


I understand fairly well why Trump was elected, and I can tell you it has very little to do with some guy from MTV making a fairly weak racial allegation against Jeff Sessions. I mean hell, people have been calling Jeff Sessions racist since the 1980s, this is nothing new. The idea that it would suddenly produce some kind of groundswell that was strong enough to put Trump in to office is absurd.

In case you're wondering, Trump won because 62m Republicans voted for Trump. They did this because after spending a couple of decades diminishing the role and importance of government, as a whole they lost track of why it might be a problem to elect an idiot who doesn't understand the basics of US politics in to the presidency. Add to that a couple of decades of attacks on Clinton, a weird situation where her minor scandals were treated with far more seriousness than Trump's countless major scandals, and an amazingly gakky campaign where personal attacks and made up nonsense dominated coverage over actual policy, and that's how you get Trump. No surprise really, when one political party goes bad and democratic processes decline, it becomes possible for terrible candidate to win.

About the biggest surprise I've had lately is how quickly Republicans have worked to deny responsibility for electing their own candidate. It's almost as if they know they picked a lemon and are now trying to make it anyone's fault but their own, even before his term has started.


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 ZergSmasher wrote:
Probably not as many people who turned out for Obama in 2008 and voted for him just because of the color of his skin.


And because they were supporting their secret muslim master. I mean, as long as we're just going to make up stupid, unfounded bs...

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sirlynchmob wrote:
So apparently Trump has a sex tape that the Russians hold to ensure his good behavior towards them. Apparently trump likes the golden showers. So if Clinton is impeached because of his infidelity, than surely it should be the easiest thing ever to impeach trump and throw him out once the tape comes out right? my guess is we'll see the GOP accept, normalize and praise trump and sell out their own morals and convictions and pretend the tape doesn't exist even after everyone's seen it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/10/us/politics/donald-trump-russia-intelligence.html

Spoiler:
WASHINGTON — The chiefs of America’s intelligence agencies last week presented President Obama and President-elect Donald J. Trump with a summary of unsubstantiated reports that Russia had collected compromising and salacious personal information about Mr. Trump, two officials with knowledge of the briefing said.

The summary is based on memos generated by political operatives seeking to derail Mr. Trump’s candidacy. Details of the reports began circulating in the fall and were widely known among journalists and politicians in Washington.

The two-page summary, first reported by CNN, was presented as an appendix to the intelligence agencies’ report on Russian hacking efforts during the election, the officials said. The material was not corroborated, and The New York Times has not been able to confirm the claims. But intelligence agencies considered it so potentially explosive that they decided Mr. Obama, Mr. Trump and congressional leaders needed to be told about it and informed that the agencies were actively investigating it.

Intelligence officials were concerned that the information would leak before they informed Mr. Trump of its existence, said the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the summary is classified and talking about it would be a felony.

On Tuesday night, Mr. Trump responded on Twitter: “FAKE NEWS - A TOTAL POLITICAL WITCH HUNT!”

In an appearance recorded for NBC’s “Late Night with Seth Meyers,” Mr. Trump’s spokeswoman, Kellyanne Conway, said of the claims in the opposition research memos, “He has said he is not aware of that.”

Since the intelligence agencies’ report on Friday that President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia had ordered the hacking and leaks of Democratic emails in order to hurt Mrs. Clinton and help Mr. Trump, the president-elect and his aides have said that Democrats are trying to mar his election victory.

The decision of top intelligence officials to give the president, the president-elect and the so-called Gang of Eight — Republican and Democratic leaders of Congress and the intelligence committees — what they know to be unverified, defamatory material was extremely unusual.

The appendix summarized opposition research memos prepared mainly by a retired British intelligence operative for a Washington political and corporate research firm. The firm was paid for its work first by Mr. Trump’s Republican rivals and later by supporters of his Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton. The Times has checked on a number of the details included in the memos but has been unable to substantiate them.

The memos suggest that for many years, the Russian government of Mr. Putin has looked for ways to influence Mr. Trump, who has traveled repeatedly to Moscow to investigate real estate deals or to oversee the Miss Universe competition, which he owned for several years. Mr. Trump never completed any major deals in Russia, though he discussed them for years.

The former British intelligence officer who gathered the material about Mr. Trump is considered a competent and reliable operative with extensive experience in Russia, American officials said. But he passed on what he heard from Russian informants and others, and what they told him has not yet been vetted by American intelligence.

The memos describe sex videos involving prostitutes with Mr. Trump in a 2013 visit to a Moscow hotel. The videos were supposedly prepared as “kompromat,” or compromising material, with the possible goal of blackmailing Mr. Trump in the future.

The memos also suggest that Russian officials proposed various lucrative deals, essentially as disguised bribes in order to win influence over Mr. Trump.

The memos describe several purported meetings during the 2016 presidential campaign between Trump representatives and Russian officials to discuss matters of mutual interest, including the Russian hacking of the Democratic National Committee and Mrs. Clinton’s campaign chairman, John D. Podesta.

The first hint of the F.B.I. investigation came in a Senate hearing on Tuesday in a series of questions from Senator Ron Wyden, Democrat of Oregon, to the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey.

Mr. Wyden, trying to draw Mr. Comey out on information he may have heard during a classified briefing, asked whether the F.B.I. had investigated the Trump campaign’s contacts with Russia. Mr. Comey demurred, saying he could not discuss any investigations that might or might not be underway. Mr. Wyden kept pressing, asking Mr. Comey to provide a written answer to the question before Mr. Trump’s inauguration on Jan. 20, because he feared there would be no declassification of the information once Mr. Trump took office.

After the hearing, Mr. Wyden posted on Twitter: “Director Comey refused to answer my question about whether the FBI has investigated Trump campaign contacts with Russia.”

The F.B.I. obtained the material long before the election, and some of the memos in the opposition research dossier are dated as early as June. But agents have struggled to confirm it, according to federal officials familiar with the investigation.

Allies of Senator Harry Reid, the Senate Democratic leader from Nevada who retired at the end of the year, said the disclosures validated his call last summer for an investigation by the F.B.I. into Mr. Trump’s ties to Russia.

“The evidence of a direct connection between the Russian government and Donald Trump’s presidential campaign continues to mount,” Mr. Reid wrote in a letter to Mr. Comey on Aug. 27.

Democrats on Tuesday night pressed for a thorough investigation of the claims in the memos. Representative Eric Swalwell of California, a member of the House Intelligence Committee, called for law enforcement to find out whether the Russian government had had any contact with Mr. Trump or his campaign.

“The president-elect has spoken a number of times, including after being presented with this evidence, in flattering ways about Russia and its dictator,” Mr. Swalwell said. “Considering the evidence of Russia hacking our democracy to his benefit, the president-elect would do a service to his presidency and our country by releasing his personal and business income taxes, as well as information on any global financial holdings.”




Was Trump's video filmed while he was in office? Like, LITERALLY in the oval office? THAT is why Clinton got pegged, not for every other incident before his career. While I will never sing Trump's accolades, I will point this little goal post moving out pretty quick. And I thought the main crux of the Clinton case was perjury, but I guess it would all depend on what your definition of the word "is" is...


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Oh, and at least the "impeach Trump" movement is still alive...

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