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sebster wrote: He read a well written piece attacking the buzzfeed story, and it fired him up enough that he posted it here while still riding a wave of crusading fury against the darn lefties. Of course, that crusading fury stopped him from noticing that the clever writing was really just working to conceal the dodgy non-logic in the article's attack.
Oh yes, I definitely get it. That article was perfectly crafted to trigger a certain kind of person and as we can see, it worked pretty well.
The problem is that when you do make such a mistake, you should just put your hand up, then everyone can move on. Not get pissy with the person who pointed out the problem in your article.
Don't hold your breath for that one.
Gordon Shumway wrote: What's the big deal anyway if true? It's not like indulging in a pee party with Russian prostitutes is as bad as shooting somebody on the street in NYC. He's got nothing to worry about.
I honestly don't care if that's what he's into... different strokes for different folks and all that. What someone does in the privacy of their bedroom (or the Presidential Suite in a Ritz Carlton) is their own business.
d-usa wrote: "When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people."
ScootyPuffJunior wrote: Oh yes, I definitely get it. That article was perfectly crafted to trigger a certain kind of person and as we can see, it worked pretty well.
Yeah, it should work as a reminder to all of us that sometimes writing can rather cleverly bypass our critical reasoning, especially if we want it to be true. Recognising that and being honest when we fall for it is the best way to minimise it happening in the future.
I honestly don't care if that's what he's into... different strokes for different folks and all that. What someone does in the privacy of their bedroom (or the Presidential Suite in a Ritz Carlton) is their own business.
Any sex with consenting adults meh. Honestly if the guy just got caught up in a honeypot with some prostitutes over the age of consent, if anything that's more tame than I'd expect of Trump (after bragging about molesting women, that would have been my assumption for any blackmail).
The issue would be that Trump kept this secret, colluding with Russia to do so. But of course there's no substantive evidence that it is true.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
To be frank it wouldn't surprise me if the Russians had dirt on Trump, but I doubt we'll never know.
We know that Trump has a lot of dirt in his past, a lot of which has already come out and some that hasn't (the Howard Stern tapes and the income tax filings for instance.)
We know Trump's email servers were ludicrously insecure. We know the Russians pwned the insecure DNC servers and mined the info for political purposes.
We know Trump has become very pally with the Russians. We know that Trump is in denial about the intelligence concerning Russian involvement in hacking the DNC.
Gordon Shumway wrote: What's the big deal anyway if true? It's not like indulging in a pee party with Russian prostitutes is as bad as shooting somebody on the street in NYC. He's got nothing to worry about.
The sex acts aren't really relevant. It's fodder for the comedians*, but it doesn't really have anything to do with his qualifications for the job. The issue is the rest of the accusations: Russian blackmail material, excessive ties with Russia, Russia using Trump to influence the US in a pro-Russia direction and working to oppose Clinton, etc. If that's true then it's a giant red flag that Trump is at best putting his own good ahead of the nation, and at worst a puppet of a hostile foreign power. Either way that makes him even more unqualified for the job, and impeachment starts to look like a necessary and inevitable outcome.
*I would say that a kinky Trump sex tape would hurt his standing with the religious right, but they have already demonstrated their willingness to fall in line behind a very un-Christian candidate as long as he supports right-wing politics. At this point I don't think anything is going to get them to stop reflexively pressing the "R" button every election.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
Also... 'Golden Shower'???? Really??!?! Cheeto Jesus is a notorious germophone. That should be the biggest red flag.
How many THE GAYS ARE EVIL 111 politicians and/or religious con artists have been caught ..well..... hating the sin but loving the sinner, so to speak .. ?
"JetBlue spokesman Morgan Johnston told CNN, "The decision to remove a customer from a flight is not taken lightly. If a customer is causing a conflict on the aircraft, it is standard procedure to ask the customer to deplane, especially if the crew feels the situation runs a risk of escalation in-flight.""
.... deplane ? That's a thing now then huh ?
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Gordon Shumway wrote: What's the big deal anyway if true? It's not like indulging in a pee party with Russian prostitutes is as bad as shooting somebody on the street in NYC. He's got nothing to worry about.
You might not care, others will. This could be used to hurt Trump giving Trump inclination to ensure it does not get published. This in turn is good source for blackmail.
That's the big deal. It's not that he did or did not do it. It's russians being able to blackmail Trump to further Russian's interests if they really have it.
"JetBlue spokesman Morgan Johnston told CNN, "The decision to remove a customer from a flight is not taken lightly. If a customer is causing a conflict on the aircraft, it is standard procedure to ask the customer to deplane, especially if the crew feels the situation runs a risk of escalation in-flight.""
.... deplane ? That's a thing now then huh ?
Looks like someone forgot the first rule of airplanes: the pilot in command is God. Do not tempt God to smite you.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
Trump is very touchy about his image, that's why he reacts so rabidly when criticised, for instance, by slagging off Meryl Streep as a rotten actress blah blah blah.
Perfectly obviously Trump would be horrified to have the Russians release this alleged pervy video of him.
I awoke this morning to a tidal wave of hogwash concerning one Donald Trump and Russian blackmail!
Blackmail? Blackmail? You gotta be kidding me.
What are the Russians going to prove? That Trump is an idiot? Racist? Talked about groping women? Or has a dubious business history?
We know that already
There are those who say that Trump links with Russia and his pro-Russia stance is not in America's best interests?
Really? I love American history and politics, because it's very interesting and as a result, I have many books on the subject from the Revolutionary War to Henry Kissinger, General Grant to Vietnam.
So I look over at my bookcase and what do I see?
There's a book on Jack Kennedy and the links to the corrupt South Vietnamese government. Bit of an albatross around JFK's neck...
There's books on the pro-Israel and pro-Saudi Arabia lobbies in Washington.
With regard to Israel and Saudi Arabia, those two 'tails' have been wagging the American 'dog' for decades, and not to America's best interests, often to its detriment...
and yet, here we are talking about friendlier relations towards Russia from Trump and that is seen as a problem...
Hmmmm
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deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: I awoke this morning to a tidal wave of hogwash concerning one Donald Trump and Russian blackmail!
Blackmail? Blackmail? You gotta be kidding me.
What are the Russians going to prove? That Trump is an idiot? Racist? Talked about groping women? Or has a dubious business history?
We know that already
Yes we know. But then again as above said Trump is extremely paranoid about his image and doesn't seem to even know how bad it actually is. They don't need to have anything new to prove to make Trump go ballistic.
It's against Him. The Great Messiah Trump as he seems to think himself. Nothing must stand in His Holy Crusade.
Problem is if they have it Russians can use it to make Trump give Russians what they want because Trump cares more about his image than what's good for americans(not that he cares much about that either but either way what russians want isn't best interest of america so blanket giving what they want is not good. And frankly with russia being neighbour I get nervous if they start to get what they want at will)
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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: I awoke this morning to a tidal wave of hogwash concerning one Donald Trump and Russian blackmail!
Blackmail? Blackmail? You gotta be kidding me.
What are the Russians going to prove? That Trump is an idiot? Racist? Talked about groping women? Or has a dubious business history?
We know that already
Yes we know. But then again as above said Trump is extremely paranoid about his image and doesn't seem to even know how bad it actually is. They don't need to have anything new to prove to make Trump go ballistic.
It's against Him. The Great Messiah Trump as he seems to think himself. Nothing must stand in His Holy Crusade.
Problem is if they have it Russians can use it to make Trump give Russians what they want because Trump cares more about his image than what's good for americans(not that he cares much about that either but either way what russians want isn't best interest of america so blanket giving what they want is not good. And frankly with russia being neighbour I get nervous if they start to get what they want at will)
I doubt if it will come to that.
We're too quick to see Russia's hand in everything.
These days, whenever somebody slips on a banana skin, Putin gets the blame.
I think a lot of people just need to take a deep breathe.
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
sebster wrote: There's an obvious issue of extent here. In Iraq essential medicines were banned. In Russia the ruble got weaker, meaning people would have to pay more for television sets. Of course there will also be greater unemployment and similar things, but trying to frame the latter as inflicting suffering on a people, when the government of those people annexed the Crimea, sent troops in to the Ukraine, and continue to commit atrocities in Syria is fething laughable.
"Greater unemployment and similar things*" are not trivialities and are not without risks of backfiring. The Russian people is fully capable of understanding that their worsening lives are due to Western sanctions. That would not necessarily produce a new Russian government that caved to everything the US wanted. Have you not considered that your plan would fail? Have you not considered what the Russian government might do to counteract it?
*Additionally, "and similar things" is a hell of a weasel way of mentioning-but-not-really-mentioning reduced availability of food or medicine, increased poverty, decreasing funds for social services and all the other human costs of economic sanctions.
I am not sure there is anything that anyone can use to blackmail Trump, blackmail requires the victim to have some sense of shame. That being said, I am done with this, lets just do it and get Kanye into office, now. Maybe just maybe it is time for Dwayne Elizando Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho to be in office.
We're too quick to see Russia's hand in everything.
These days, whenever somebody slips on a banana skin, Putin gets the blame.
I think a lot of people just need to take a deep breathe.
Well the question is do they have it or not?
If they have it they will use it. And Trump has already shown that he's instantly lashing out if somebody says ANYTHING against it. Therefore no reason to think he would be "okay release it" when given "do this or we'll release it".
Kilkrazy wrote: Trump is very touchy about his image, that's why he reacts so rabidly when criticised, for instance, by slagging off Meryl Streep as a rotten actress blah blah blah.
Perfectly obviously Trump would be horrified to have the Russians release this alleged pervy video of him.
It would be oddly fitting that this bold new era was christened with the release of a sex tape that most people really really wouldn't watch.
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We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
I would be interested to see the political fallout among Trump supports if they saw a sex tape of Trump watching and hooting while a gang of Russian prostitutes wees on a hotel bed.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
Yes. Because problem isn't what normal people think because of that. Problem is it would be against The Holy Leader. What matters is does HE think it's bad and he thinks any critique is bad for him.
Let's not underestimate how much Clinton is hated by some sections of American society.
Let's say for argument' sake that these allegations are true, and that Trump was involved in some orgy with a group of Russian prostitutes.
We have clearly seen that no matter what, people will still support him over Clinton.
Trump could set fire to the declaration of independence, dig up George Washington, and then crash a Sherman tank into the Lincoln memorial, and Clinton would still be blamed and people would still vote for Trump.
These allegations change nothing IMO.
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: Let's not underestimate how much Clinton is hated by some sections of American society.
Let's say for argument' sake that these allegations are true, and that Trump was involved in some orgy with a group of Russian prostitutes.
We have clearly seen that no matter what, people will still support him over Clinton.
Trump could set fire to the declaration of independence, dig up George Washington, and then crash a Sherman tank into the Lincoln memorial, and Clinton would still be blamed and people would still vote for Trump.
These allegations change nothing IMO.
That is NOT problem. It's irrelevant how public reacts to the video. They could even be MORE pro-Trump and it would STILL be problem.
It would be attack against The Holy Messiah who has zero tolerance for ANY critique against him. He also has very high image of himself and thinks everybody shares it. Therefore anything that makes him feel his _own image of his own image_ is getting threatened is bad. Which is what allows Russians to use it to blackmail.
It's irrelevant if release of video results in every american be pro-Trump if Trump thinks it would be bad for his image or even hint of critique against him. He would be dead set against release of that video. Which means it's good for blackmailing.
The Hitler Diaries Mark II – or I Hope They Changed the Mattress
The mainstream media’s extreme enthusiasm for the Hitler Diaries shows their rush to embrace any forgery if it is big and astonishing enough. For the Guardian to lead with such an obvious forgery as the Trump “commercial intelligence reports” is the final evidence of the demise of that newspaper’s journalistic values.
I suspect that we are supposed to “conclude” falsely that the reports were written by Mark Allen at BP. Here are a short list of six impossible things we are asked to believe before breakfast:
1) Vladimir Putin had a five year (later stated as eight year) plan to run Donald Trump as a “Manchurian candidate” for President and Trump was an active and knowing partner in Putin’s scheme.
2) Hillary Clinton is so stupid and unaware that she held compromising conversations over telephone lines whilst in Russia itself.
3) Trump’s lawyer/adviser Mr Cohen was so stupid he held meetings in Prague with the hacker/groups themselves in person to arrange payment, along with senior officials of the Russian security services. The NSA, CIA and FBI are so incompetent they did not monitor this meeting, and somehow the NSA failed to pick up on the electronic and telephone communications involved in organising it. Therefore Mr Cohen was never questioned over this alleged and improbable serious criminal activity.
4) A private company had minute by minute intelligence on the Manchurian Candidate scheme and all the indictable illegal activity that was going on, which the CIA/NSA/GCHQ/MI6 did not have, despite their specific tasking and enormous technical, staff and financial resources amounting between them to over 150,000 staff and the availability of hundreds of billons of dollars to do nothing but this.
5) A private western company is able to run a state level intelligence operation in Russia for years, continually interviewing senior security sources and people personally close to Putin, without being caught by the Russian security services – despite the fact the latter are brilliant enough to install a Manchurian candidate as President of the USA. This private western company can for example secretly interview staff in top Moscow hotels – which they themselves say are Russian security service controlled – without the staff being too scared to speak to them or ending up dead. They can continually pump Putin’s friends for information and get it.
6) Donald Trump’s real interest is his vast financial commitment in China, and he has little investment in Russia, according to the reports. Yet he spent the entire election campaign advocating closer ties with Russia and demonising and antagonising China.
As forgeries go, this is really not in the least convincing. I might add I do not include the golden showers among the impossible aspects. I have no idea if it is true and neither do I care. Given Trump’s wealth and history, I think we can say with confidence that he has indulged whatever his sexual preferences might be all over the world and not just in Russia. It seems most improbable he would succumb to blackmail over it and not brazen it out. I suppose it could be taken as the sole example of trickledown theory actually working.
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Kilkrazy wrote: I would be interested to see the political fallout among Trump supports if they saw a sex tape of Trump watching and hooting while a gang of Russian prostitutes wees on a hotel bed.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: Let's not underestimate how much Clinton is hated by some sections of American society.
Let's say for argument' sake that these allegations are true, and that Trump was involved in some orgy with a group of Russian prostitutes.
We have clearly seen that no matter what, people will still support him over Clinton.
Trump could set fire to the declaration of independence, dig up George Washington, and then crash a Sherman tank into the Lincoln memorial, and Clinton would still be blamed and people would still vote for Trump.
These allegations change nothing IMO.
That is NOT problem. It's irrelevant how public reacts to the video. They could even be MORE pro-Trump and it would STILL be problem.
It would be attack against The Holy Messiah who has zero tolerance for ANY critique against him. He also has very high image of himself and thinks everybody shares it. Therefore anything that makes him feel his _own image of his own image_ is getting threatened is bad. Which is what allows Russians to use it to blackmail.
It's irrelevant if release of video results in every american be pro-Trump if Trump thinks it would be bad for his image or even hint of critique against him. He would be dead set against release of that video. Which means it's good for blackmailing.
If a man is an idiot, and the whole world knows it, then how can you threaten him by threatening to release information that proves he's an idiot?
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Kilkrazy wrote: I would be interested to see the political fallout among Trump supports if they saw a sex tape of Trump watching and hooting while a gang of Russian prostitutes wees on a hotel bed.
If anything, it's likely to increase his vote!
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deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Kilkrazy wrote: I would be interested to see the political fallout among Trump supports if they saw a sex tape of Trump watching and hooting while a gang of Russian prostitutes wees on a hotel bed.
The thread wherein the "4chan did it" is supposed to have originated occurred in November, with the original claim by the MI6 person being dated back to some time around July I believe. It appears to be a combination of /pol/ attempting to deflect criticism away from daddy trump whilst also thinking that it's way more important than it actually is.
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President-elect Donald Trump's top aide Kellyanne Conway on Tuesday said that Trump was not briefed on a summary of an unsubstantiated but explosive dossier that claims Russia collected compromising info on him.
CNN on Tuesday reported that the Intelligence Community briefed the president-elect and President Obama last week about the allegations by appending a two-page synopsis, based on memos written by a former British MI6 operative, to its larger report about Russian meddling in the election.
The dossier has reportedly been circulating through the intelligence community. The synopsis was reportedly included in part to show that Russia was partial to Trump over Hillary Clinton, choosing not releasing damaging information about him.
Conway said late Tuesday that Trump was "not aware" of the two-page synopsis that was presented as an appendix to the main intelligence report.
"He has said that he is not aware of that," Conway said in an appearance on "Late Night with Seth Meyers."
Conway also criticized the reports by questioning the reliability of the sources.
"Well guess what has't happened ... nobody has sourced it. They are all unnamed, unspoken sources in the story and it says it was based on a Russian investigator to begin with," she said.
According to CNN, the memos of the former British operative originated as opposition research and were commissioned by anti-Trump Republicans and later by Democrats supporting Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign.
CNN also noted that while the former MI6 operative now works for a private intelligence gathering firm, his previous work was considered reliable by the U.S. intelligence community and he has deep ties to Russian sources.
"It also says that Hillary Clinton and groups that wanted Hillary Clinton to win may have been behind the investigations themselves, and most importantly, it says that the FBI is trying to confirm it. So nothing has been confirmed," Conway continued.
"And I actually have to say as an American citizen, regardless of your party ... we should be concerned that intelligence officials leaked to the press and won't go and tell the president-elect or the president of the United States," she added.
... Best bit is her complaining that they won't tell Trump anything right after admitting he doesn't read the info he is given.
Kilkrazy wrote: I would be interested to see the political fallout among Trump supports if they saw a sex tape of Trump watching and hooting while a gang of Russian prostitutes wees on a hotel bed.
The thread wherein the "4chan did it" is supposed to have originated occurred in November, with the original claim by the MI6 person being dated back to some time around July I believe. It appears to be a combination of /pol/ attempting to deflect criticism away from daddy trump whilst also thinking that it's way more important than it actually is.
the MJ article note phrasing -- "
But a senior US government official not involved in this case but familiar with the former spy tells Mother Jones that he has been a credible source with a proven record of providing reliable, sensitive, and important information to the US government."
is from October.
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We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
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Kilkrazy wrote: I would be interested to see the political fallout among Trump supports if they saw a sex tape of Trump watching and hooting while a gang of Russian prostitutes wees on a hotel bed.
ZeroHedge? Really? Of one of the biggest pro-Russia and pro-Trump "news" outlets is going to defend Glorious Leader.
d-usa wrote: "When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people."
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: If a man is an idiot, and the whole world knows it, then how can you threaten him by threatening to release information that proves he's an idiot?
Because he doesn't think he's idiot, he doesn't think people think him as idiot, he thinks it will damage his image which he thinks is good and therefore rather than allow leak will do what blackmailers ask.
Problem isn't it being released and it leading to his downfall(hey that would be GOOD). Problem is he would think it could damage his reputation which HE thinks is great and therefore he won't allow that.
It's 100% irrelevant what OTHERS think of it. What matters is what TRUMP thinks and so far he has slashed out anything even remotely critical against His Holy Person.
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kidding me.
