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FBI director: ‘I would never comment on investigations in an open forum’
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... I sometimes wonder if -- like in Fringe -- there's alternate universes and we kind of slip between them.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
Kilkrazy wrote: I would be interested to see the political fallout among Trump supports if they saw a sex tape of Trump watching and hooting while a gang of Russian prostitutes wees on a hotel bed.
I think if I was going to present evidence in order to prove or disprove "fake" news, I'm pretty certain that I wouldn't cite zerohedge as my source. Kind of like using the World Weekly News, or whatever, to cite that the government is covering up aliens amongst us.
Sorry, Frazz, that site is best used to print off a few pages for use to clean up after your badger hounds.
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-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: I awoke this morning to a tidal wave of hogwash concerning one Donald Trump and Russian blackmail!
Blackmail? Blackmail? You gotta be kidding me.
What are the Russians going to prove? That Trump is an idiot? Racist? Talked about groping women? Or has a dubious business history?
We know that already
There are those who say that Trump links with Russia and his pro-Russia stance is not in America's best interests?
They could very well have video of him with children. He's already on tape saying a man who hosted underage girl parties is a good friend of his. So a child porn tape could be the line that the GOP won't cross. It's easy to say 'who cares' when it's consenting adults, but as it's russia and trump already admits to be attracted to children the tapes could me much worse than imagined. And that is something that trump can be blackmailed for.
Still doesn't prove, or disprove any of this. At this point it's...this latest peccadillo...all unsubstantiated, so I take it for what it's worth. Whether it get's proven or disproven tomorrow, uncategorically, either way wouldn't surprise me one bit. I do, however, shake my head at Trump's response to these allegations and the Russian election hacking findings when he cites Julian Assange and Russia itself as counterpoints to the intel briefing. It really doesn't help the poor fool.
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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: I awoke this morning to a tidal wave of hogwash concerning one Donald Trump and Russian blackmail!
Blackmail? Blackmail? You gotta be kidding me.
What are the Russians going to prove? That Trump is an idiot? Racist? Talked about groping women? Or has a dubious business history?
We know that already
There are those who say that Trump links with Russia and his pro-Russia stance is not in America's best interests?
They could very well have video of him with children. He's already on tape saying a man who hosted underage girl parties is a good friend of his. So a child porn tape could be the line that the GOP won't cross. It's easy to say 'who cares' when it's consenting adults, but as it's russia and trump already admits to be attracted to children the tapes could me much worse than imagined. And that is something that trump can be blackmailed for.
Indeed. And if the Russians were setting him up with a honeypot scam then making sure that one of the prostitutes was underage would be a smart move. Politician caught in sex scandal with underage prostitute carries a lot more weight than just another politician kinky sex scandal.
The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
“Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets,” Trump’s son, Donald Jr., told a real estate conference in 2008, according to an account posted on the website of eTurboNews, a trade publication. “We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.”
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity...
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Breotan wrote: You mean the bit where he gave them a pass because they said the story was likely bogus? Even Mother Jones didn't give them a pass. Mother Fricking Jones.
Your argument seems to boil down to saying that because the buzzfeed article has issues, then all complaints about the buzzfeed article are valid. That's obviously nonsense.
BuzzFeed throwing away journalistic integrity is more than an "article having issues" and has gone beyond the point of BuzzFeed simply being biased. BuzzFeed has show themselves to be little better than Gawker or Alec Jones.
ScootyPuffJunior wrote: It's just rich that you post a piece complaining about a clickbait site's lack of ethics from another site run by a Donald Trump surrogate that is itching to worm her way into his administration. That site is so clearly biased and it's funny that you probably failed to realize the irony in this whole thing.
Bias =/= lack of ethics. Mother Jones is biased. Huffington Post is biased. Rush Limbaugh is biased. Regardless of any perceived biased, the story I linked to is accurate and properly sourced. Whining about Laura Ingram isn't much of a counterpoint to the fact that BuzzFeed has no journalistic ethics.
Kilkrazy wrote: BuzzFeed's lack of journalistic ethics are not the story.
I posted an article showing that BuzzFeed has demonstrated a lack of journalistic ethics that even other left wing publications won't defend but you do. You then try to make it all about Laura Ingram for some reason. It's a pattern with how you post.
"Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets,” Trump’s son, Donald Jr., told a real estate conference in 2008, according to an account posted on the website of eTurboNews, a trade publication. “We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.”
Oh, Donald. You never fail to entertain.
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Breotan wrote: BuzzFeed has show themselves to be little better than Gawker or Alec Jones.
yeah, who'd trust him....
Oh, Donald. You never fail to entertain.
word.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
In response to the replies sirlynchmob and A Town called Malus.
I'll refer both of you to my earlier post about Craig Murray's blogpost on this issue, and this quote in particular from Murray:
UPDATE Michael Cohen has now stated he has never been to Prague in his life. If that is true the extremely weak credibility of the entire forgery collapses in total. What is more, contrary to the claims of the Guardian and Washington Post that the material is “unverifiable”, the veracity of it could be tested extremely easily by the most basic journalism, ie asking Mr Cohen who has produced his passport. The editors of the Washington Post and the Guardian are guilty of pushing as blazing front page news the most blatant forgery to serve their own political ends, without carrying out the absolutely basic journalistic checks which would easily prove the forgery. Those editors must resign.
Would I be surprised if Trump had hit Moscow town back in the day with a crate of Red Army surplus Vodka and 50 prostitutes? Hell no.
but children involved? I'm not buying it, and I'll be the first to put up my hand and admit I was wrong if the facts change.
But as we are seeing, this story is unravelling at a rate of knots. We're in danger of entering the realms of fantasy here.
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Wasn't "fake news" one of the big media topics just recently? There's a lot of silliness with Trump but you'd think that people would at least try and vet some of these stories before running with them.
I know a lot of people would like to see Trump hoisted on his own petard but continually posting gossip as news just makes him immune to criticism. Remember Bill Clinton's impeachment? The Republicans tried to burn him on a minor process crime without securing the needed votes in the Senate. President Clinton came out looking vindicated and the Republicans looked like idiots. This is much the same here. We have people yelling wolf, posting untruths as fact, and generally making damning claims they can't back up. If or when Trump actually does something bad, it will be much harder to deal with it because of all this previous BS people have been slinging.
Breotan wrote: This is much the same here. We have people yelling wolf, posting untruths as fact, and generally making damning claims they can't back up.
Who has done that exactly?
The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
Breotan wrote: Wasn't "fake news" one of the big media topics just recently? There's a lot of silliness with Trump but you'd think that people would at least try and vet some of these stories before running with them.
I know a lot of people would like to see Trump hoisted on his own petard but continually posting gossip as news just makes him immune to criticism. Remember Bill Clinton's impeachment? The Republicans tried to burn him on a minor process crime without securing the needed votes in the Senate. President Clinton came out looking vindicated and the Republicans looked like idiots. This is much the same here. We have people yelling wolf, posting untruths as fact, and generally making damning claims they can't back up. If or when Trump actually does something bad, it will be much harder to deal with it because of all this previous BS people have been slinging.
It's worse than that. The media is basically saying that yeah, we know this story is concentrated bullgak from start to finish, but we'll publish it anyway
What the hell happened to journalism? Ethics? Standards?
The Washington Post, that done so much to help America with the Pentagon Papers and bringing down Nixon...reduced to this...
God knows I don't give two hoots for Donald Trump, but this shoddy, gak poor journalism is a disgrace.
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Breotan wrote: This is much the same here. We have people yelling wolf, posting untruths as fact, and generally making damning claims they can't back up.
Who has done that exactly?
News media, pundits and commentators, "talking head" shows, YouTube commentators, etc. The problem is that they're all starting to look like Fox News and everything is becoming noise. I'm concerned that should something "real" happen it will become lost because of all this.
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Breotan wrote: This is much the same here. We have people yelling wolf, posting untruths as fact, and generally making damning claims they can't back up.
Who has done that exactly?
News media, pundits and commentators, "talking head" shows, YouTube commentators, etc. The problem is that they're all starting to look like Fox News and everything is becoming noise. I'm concerned that should something "real" happen it will become lost because of all this.
No, give me an actual example of where someone has taken a claim that Trump has done something wrong and passed it off as absolute truth rather than just a claim or accusation.
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The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
So, apparently it was Senator McCain who got ahold of this and gave it to the FBI. I knew politics was blood sport but sheesh. It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out. If anything is substantiated Trump will definitely be hurt and may possibly have to resign should the worst prove true. If investigations into these allegations prove them false, McCain might as well retire.
I want to know more about this MI6 guy who compiled this stuff. Is this the work of honest investigation or did he just make this stuff up to scam the people who hired him?
So, apparently it was Senator McCain who got ahold of this and gave it to the FBI. I knew politics was blood sport but sheesh. It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out. If anything is substantiated Trump will definitely be hurt and may possibly have to resign should the worst prove true. If investigations into these allegations prove them false, McCain might as well retire.
I want to know more about this MI6 guy who compiled this stuff. Is this the work of honest investigation or did he just make this stuff up to scam the people who hired him?
I don't know how much you know about the British secret service, but take it from this Brit, we've had more than our fair share of dodgy agents over the years, so please bear that in mind when dealing with these kind of allegations.
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Honestly, I sadly know this won't turn into anything solid. Cause thats too convienent to be rid of this gak stain of a human being so easilly. There is no such thing as karma nor justice, no amount of wishing will make this bag of sentient dicks catch fire.
I mean fingers crossed I'm wrong and we just have to deal with Pence the rubberstamp for every gak show idea congress shoves infront of him but yeah, we're just not that lucky.
So, apparently it was Senator McCain who got ahold of this and gave it to the FBI. I knew politics was blood sport but sheesh. It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out. If anything is substantiated Trump will definitely be hurt and may possibly have to resign should the worst prove true. If investigations into these allegations prove them false, McCain might as well retire.
I want to know more about this MI6 guy who compiled this stuff. Is this the work of honest investigation or did he just make this stuff up to scam the people who hired him?
I don't know how much you know about the British secret service, but take it from this Brit, we've had more than our fair share of dodgy agents over the years, so please bear that in mind when dealing with these kind of allegations.
Rereading what I wrote it does sound like an allegation however that was not my intent. I wanted to phrase it as a hypothetical but I guess I botched that. Sorry.
It highlights the self-awareness failure on part of the author.
You're right. The guy should be wearing a pilot's uniform, but his cap's upside down and all the buttons are done wrong and when you look closer, it's not actually a pilot's uniform, it's, like, a stripper's pilot's uniform. Or something.
lonestarr777 wrote: Honestly, I sadly know this won't turn into anything solid. Cause thats too convienent to be rid of this gak stain of a human being so easilly. There is no such thing as karma nor justice, no amount of wishing will make this bag of sentient dicks catch fire.
I mean fingers crossed I'm wrong and we just have to deal with Pence the rubberstamp for every gak show idea congress shoves infront of him but yeah, we're just not that lucky.
If it were up to me, I'd have Trump run out of America and exiled to Skegness for evermore, Skegness being a notoriously bad British holiday resort.
On the other hand, even Trump deserves better than this horsegak level of journalism that is on display here. This story has more holes in it than a machine gunned Swiss Cheese!
A certain Arizona Senator should be seriously considering his position if he had any sense of honour.
Looking at the bigger picture, we as citizens of Western democracies deserve far better than the journalism we are getting, and ultimately, we all lose, if the level and quality is so bad, which it is.
An enlightened citizenry is democracy's best defence against tyranny and abuse by our leaders. Our newspapers have let us down badly...
That's what angers me the most.
Anyway, I'll be back tomorrow. In the mean time, I'd urge my fellow dakka members to treat this story with the contempt it deserves. Look beyond your opinion of Trump and see the bigger picture going on here.
So, apparently it was Senator McCain who got ahold of this and gave it to the FBI. I knew politics was blood sport but sheesh. It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out. If anything is substantiated Trump will definitely be hurt and may possibly have to resign should the worst prove true. If investigations into these allegations prove them false, McCain might as well retire.
I want to know more about this MI6 guy who compiled this stuff. Is this the work of honest investigation or did he just make this stuff up to scam the people who hired him?
I don't know how much you know about the British secret service, but take it from this Brit, we've had more than our fair share of dodgy agents over the years, so please bear that in mind when dealing with these kind of allegations.
Rereading what I wrote it does sound like an allegation however that was not my intent. I wanted to phrase it as a hypothetical but I guess I botched that. Sorry.
No need to apologise. I'm just saying that just because a man or woman is an MI5 or MI6 agent, doesn't mean they can be trusted.
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"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
It highlights the self-awareness failure on part of the author.
You're right. The guy should be wearing a pilot's uniform, but his cap's upside down and all the buttons are done wrong and when you look closer, it's not actually a pilot's uniform, it's, like, a stripper's pilot's uniform. Or something.
Nah... this is coming from the New Yorker magazine... where the author thinks they're the expert(the pilot) and how dare the plebes (passengers) challenge them.
As if their self-appointed expertise in on the same level as a fething airline pilot.
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This cartoon was published/doing the rounds last week or so
Spoiler:
I love this picture...
It highlights the self-awareness failure on part of the author.
Care to explain how the cartoon shows a smug lack of self-awareness?
I mean, it's a bad analogy if you only look at it as a critique of Trump, but if you take it as a reductio ad absudum of the current "experts=bad" hysteria that is going around, it's not bad.
We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
So, apparently it was Senator McCain who got ahold of this and gave it to the FBI. I knew politics was blood sport but sheesh. It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out. If anything is substantiated Trump will definitely be hurt and may possibly have to resign should the worst prove true. If investigations into these allegations prove them false, McCain might as well retire.
I want to know more about this MI6 guy who compiled this stuff. Is this the work of honest investigation or did he just make this stuff up to scam the people who hired him?
That is a literal "It was me Dio!" moment right there
lonestarr777 wrote: Honestly, I sadly know this won't turn into anything solid. Cause thats too convienent to be rid of this gak stain of a human being so easilly. There is no such thing as karma nor justice, no amount of wishing will make this bag of sentient dicks catch fire.
I mean fingers crossed I'm wrong and we just have to deal with Pence the rubberstamp for every gak show idea congress shoves infront of him but yeah, we're just not that lucky.
If it were up to me, I'd have Trump run out of America and exiled to Skegness for evermore, Skegness being a notoriously bad British holiday resort.
On the other hand, even Trump deserves better than this horsegak level of journalism that is on display here. This story has more holes in it than a machine gunned Swiss Cheese!
A certain Arizona Senator should be seriously considering his position if he had any sense of honour.
Looking at the bigger picture, we as citizens of Western democracies deserve far better than the journalism we are getting, and ultimately, we all lose, if the level and quality is so bad, which it is.
An enlightened citizenry is democracy's best defence against tyranny and abuse by our leaders. Our newspapers have let us down badly...
That's what angers me the most.
Anyway, I'll be back tomorrow. In the mean time, I'd urge my fellow dakka members to treat this story with the contempt it deserves. Look beyond your opinion of Trump and see the bigger picture going on here.
It's the definition of McCarthyism... I mean that literally.
This isn't a lefty/liberal issues... I'm also seeing this from other righties as well. (I guess they're #NeverTrumpers still )
While I think all of this Buzzfeed stuff is utterly and complete trash... one can still legitimately express concerns over Trump humping Putin's leg. That is deeplyconcerning.
It highlights the self-awareness failure on part of the author.
You're right. The guy should be wearing a pilot's uniform, but his cap's upside down and all the buttons are done wrong and when you look closer, it's not actually a pilot's uniform, it's, like, a stripper's pilot's uniform. Or something.
Nah... this is coming from the New Yorker magazine... where the author thinks they're the expert(the pilot) and how dare the plebes (passengers) challenge them.
As if their self-appointed expertise in on the same level as a fething airline pilot.
Why would you assume the 'pilot' in question is the New Yorker author and not a stand-in for experienced politicians? I mean, it seems pretty clear to me. Trump's campaign was full of all that 'you can't trust any politician, throw 'em out' and 'he's not a politician, he's a businessman' garbage, especially during the primary.
Kind of like using the World Weekly News, or whatever, to cite that the government is covering up aliens amongst us. 
kidding me.
