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 Breotan wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
Pulp fiction. I dont know.
Trump has maneuvered himself into challenging waters.

This whole thing is getting dirtier and dirtier.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4108960/How-Trump-s-nemesis-John-McCain-kicked-Kremlin-memo-scandal-handing-dossier-FBI-sending-emissary-abroad-collect-it.html

So, apparently it was Senator McCain who got ahold of this and gave it to the FBI. I knew politics was blood sport but sheesh. It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out. If anything is substantiated Trump will definitely be hurt and may possibly have to resign should the worst prove true. If investigations into these allegations prove them false, McCain might as well retire.

I want to know more about this MI6 guy who compiled this stuff. Is this the work of honest investigation or did he just make this stuff up to scam the people who hired him?

Why would he resign? Thisis not a disagreement-I literally haven't been keeping up.

I read this on NPR (So over half of you will dismiss it) but it is a pretty even handed summary of the last 8 years.

http://www.npr.org/2017/01/10/508606465/scorecard-for-a-departing-president-assessing-obamas-successes-and-shortcomings

I am cherry-picking out some of the big highlights to me. read it for yourself and make your own decisions.

U.S. employers have added more than 11 million jobs since Obama took office (and more than 15 million since the job market bottomed out in early 2010). After nearly a decade of stagnant wages, median household income jumped sharply in 2015. And last year's wage growth was the strongest of the recovery.

The president's signature health care law has expanded insurance coverage and broadened protections for those who were already insured. It has also encouraged changes in the way medical payments are made — to reward quality rather than quantity of care. And it has coincided with slower growth in insurance premiums for the majority of Americans who get their insurance through an employer.

But the law — which passed with no Republican support seven years ago — remains deeply controversial. People buying insurance on the government-run exchanges saw premium increases averaging 25 percent this year. And Republicans have vowed to make repeal of Obamacare their first order of business as soon as they control both Congress and the White House, which they will now.

Obama first ran for the White House determined to end the war in Iraq while refocusing attention on Afghanistan. He ordered the successful special operations raid that killed Osama bin Laden. But an early troop surge in Afghanistan had only limited success in taming the Taliban. While the number of American troops in harm's way has since been greatly reduced, Obama had to backtrack on plans to withdraw from Afghanistan altogether. And critics say the precipitous American troop withdrawal from Iraq left a vacuum there which gave way to the rise of the Islamic State. In 2014, Obama was forced to send some troops back to Iraq to address the threat from ISIS.

"The high school graduation rate is now 83 percent — the highest on record — and we've helped more young people graduate from college than ever before."- Obama

I know when I was done, I was left wondering why Americans didn't want more of the success we had been having? Sure, everything wasn't perfect, but if you asked "Are we better off than we were 8 years ago, the answer was a resounding YES! Even White Working Class people were better off, the data proves it. Yet, what the hell did we as Americans do?

I think we just get too caught up into a myopic view and could no longer see the forest as Americans collectively stared into the bark of one pet issue tree after another.

I honestly do not understand my fellow Americans anymore.

 Frazzled wrote:

Why would he resign? Thisis not a disagreement-I literally haven't been keeping up.

Apparently politicians shouldn't hand over potentially damaging information to law enforcement agencies. It is the FBI's job to assess and verify the information, not Senator McCain's. McCain did nothing wrong by handing this over to the FBI to investigate.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
Pulp fiction. I dont know.
Trump has maneuvered himself into challenging waters.

This whole thing is getting dirtier and dirtier.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4108960/How-Trump-s-nemesis-John-McCain-kicked-Kremlin-memo-scandal-handing-dossier-FBI-sending-emissary-abroad-collect-it.html

So, apparently it was Senator McCain who got ahold of this and gave it to the FBI. I knew politics was blood sport but sheesh. It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out. If anything is substantiated Trump will definitely be hurt and may possibly have to resign should the worst prove true. If investigations into these allegations prove them false, McCain might as well retire.

I want to know more about this MI6 guy who compiled this stuff. Is this the work of honest investigation or did he just make this stuff up to scam the people who hired him?

Why would he resign? Thisis not a disagreement-I literally haven't been keeping up.

If true, these allegations would damage Trump to the point where he couldn't govern effectively and might possibly face impeachment. If false, every bit of McCain's political capital would be lost on a misguided attempt to smear Trump and McCain would be marginalized in Congress to the point he might as well not even show up anymore.

 Breotan wrote:

If true, these allegations would damage Trump to the point where he couldn't govern effectively and might possibly face impeachment. If false, every bit of McCain's political capital would be lost on a misguided attempt to smear Trump and McCain would be marginalized in Congress to the point he might as well not even show up anymore.

So you think that when McCain was handed a dossier which claimed to have evidence of Trump being compromised by Russia he should have done what with it, exactly?

 Spinner wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Spinner wrote:

 whembly wrote:

I love this picture...

It highlights the self-awareness failure on part of the author.

You're right. The guy should be wearing a pilot's uniform, but his cap's upside down and all the buttons are done wrong and when you look closer, it's not actually a pilot's uniform, it's, like, a stripper's pilot's uniform. Or something.

Nah... this is coming from the New Yorker magazine... where the author thinks they're the expert(the pilot) and how dare the plebes (passengers) challenge them.

As if their self-appointed expertise in on the same level as a fething airline pilot.

Why would you assume the 'pilot' in question is the New Yorker author and not a stand-in for experienced politicians? I mean, it seems pretty clear to me. Trump's campaign was full of all that 'you can't trust any politician, throw 'em out' and 'he's not a politician, he's a businessman' garbage, especially during the primary.

If anything, I read that the pilot are stand-in for experts with vast experience and credentials. Much of the political class and punditry see themselves as these 'experts'. Hence why they're so smug about their viewpoints and declare heresies for those who hold opposing viewpoints.

The passengers (ordinary people) are just carried along for the ride, while the country is run by experts (the pilots).

The subliminal context here is that letting ordinary people (the passengers) take charge would result in a disastrous crash.








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 Breotan wrote:

If true, these allegations would damage Trump to the point where he couldn't govern effectively and might possibly face impeachment. If false, every bit of McCain's political capital would be lost on a misguided attempt to smear Trump and McCain would be marginalized in Congress to the point he might as well not even show up anymore.

To be fair, this may be a little payback by the Maverick for Trump's denigration over McCain's POW ordeal.

 whembly wrote:

 Spinner wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Spinner wrote:

 whembly wrote:

I love this picture...

It highlights the self-awareness failure on part of the author.

You're right. The guy should be wearing a pilot's uniform, but his cap's upside down and all the buttons are done wrong and when you look closer, it's not actually a pilot's uniform, it's, like, a stripper's pilot's uniform. Or something.

Nah... this is coming from the New Yorker magazine... where the author thinks they're the expert(the pilot) and how dare the plebes (passengers) challenge them.

As if their self-appointed expertise in on the same level as a fething airline pilot.

Why would you assume the 'pilot' in question is the New Yorker author and not a stand-in for experienced politicians? I mean, it seems pretty clear to me. Trump's campaign was full of all that 'you can't trust any politician, throw 'em out' and 'he's not a politician, he's a businessman' garbage, especially during the primary.

If anything, I read that the pilot are stand-in for experts with vast experience and credentials. Much of the political class and punditry see themselves as these 'experts'. Hence why they're so smug about their viewpoints and declare heresies for those who hold opposing viewpoints.

The passengers (ordinary people) are just carried along for the ride, while the country is run by experts (the pilots).

The subliminal context here is that letting ordinary people (the passengers) take charge would result in a disastrous crash.

I guess that's one way to read it, if you ignore the obvious reference to Trump's campaign specifically. I mean, I think political cartoonists are smug by definition, but I also think your interpretation needs a healthy dose of Occam's Razor.

And, come to think of it, isn't throwing someone with absolutely no political experience beyond angry shouting into the highest office in our nation likely to cause problems?

Certainly seems to be working out that way.

 whembly wrote:

If anything, I read that the pilot are stand-in for experts with vast experience and credentials. Much of the political class and punditry see themselves as these 'experts'. Hence why they're so smug about their viewpoints and declare heresies for those who hold opposing viewpoints.

The passengers (ordinary people) are just carried along for the ride, while the country is run by experts (the pilots).

The subliminal context here is that letting ordinary people (the passengers) take charge would result in a disastrous crash.

Do you think politics is different from any other profession? Do you think any old Joe can wake up in the morning and suddenly run the country?

To be fair, this may be a little payback by the Maverick for Trump's denigration over McCain's POW ordeal.

I don't know McCain that well. Is he the type to potentially throw away his career over some clown's insults?

Perhaps McCain is closer to the situation and knows more than you and I, and is doing his job. Protecting American interests.

Oh, this had better be fake news...

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/army-leaker-chelsea-manning-on-obamas-short-list-for-commutation/ar-BByaybz?li=AA4ZnC&ocid=spartanntp

President Obama has put Chelsea Manning, the former Army intelligence analyst serving a 35-year sentence for leaking classified material, on his short list for a possible commutation, a Justice Department source told NBC News.

This Buzzfeed stuff is just a bunch of gak. It has way too much noise to signal ratio.

I agree that our Media and Yellow Journalism is failing us miserably. No one trusts any of it and now there is no "Source of Truth" as all media squabble for views.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

Why would he resign? Thisis not a disagreement-I literally haven't been keeping up.

Apparently politicians shouldn't hand over potentially damaging information to law enforcement agencies. It is the FBI's job to assess and verify the information, not Senator McCain's. McCain did nothing wrong by handing this over to the FBI to investigate.

More I lost the thread-whats going on as of today?

 Breotan wrote:
Bias =/= lack of ethics.

That right there shows everyone exactly how little you know about ethics in journalism. Objectivity most definitely falls under the umbrella of ethical journalism.

Mother Jones is biased. Huffington Post is biased. Rush Limbaugh is biased. Regardless of any perceived biased, the story I linked to is accurate and properly sourced.

So was the BuzzFeed article that triggered you.

Whining about Laura Ingram isn't much of a counterpoint to the fact that BuzzFeed has no journalistic ethics.

It wasn't supposed to be a counterpoint, but I'm sure you know that but it's easier to make gakky strawman arguments instead.

I posted an article showing that BuzzFeed has demonstrated a lack of journalistic ethics that even other left wing publications won't defend but you do. You then try to make it all about Laura Ingram for some reason. It's a pattern with how you post.

My only pattern is calling out the dumb gak you like to flood these threads with. Again, the original issue I had (besides your ridiculous outrage) was that while you were complaining about a clickbait websites supposed lack of "ethics," you link a gak site that crafted a perfectly dumb story to meant to trigger people like you into frothing anger while ignore how silly the actual article was and how the source (a Donald Trump shill) has compromised ethics as well.

That is a pattern of how you post.

lonestarr777 wrote:
Honestly, I sadly know this won't turn into anything solid. Cause thats too convienent to be rid of this gak stain of a human being so easilly. There is no such thing as karma nor justice, no amount of wishing will make this bag of sentient dicks catch fire.

I mean fingers crossed I'm wrong and we just have to deal with Pence the rubberstamp for every gak show idea congress shoves infront of him but yeah, we're just not that lucky.

Problem with this being is that if russians do have that video odds are it's never SEEN in public.

Russia doesn't want Trump out of office or damage him.

Now making him give Russia what they want...Now THAT is another thing.

And in other news Trump again brought up the mexico wall. People here still claiming that was just campaign talk and he has no intention of trying it? If he was planning to have it never materialize one would assume he would try to keep "hush hush" rather than keep drumming about it and have his staff start looking at it already.

So, I caught the end of that speech. What has the BBC of all places, generally seen as one of the tiny handful of news organisations in the world to be overall apolitical, done so badly to earn the ire of the President Elect of the United States of America?

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
Bias =/= lack of ethics.

That right there shows everyone exactly how little you know about ethics in journalism. Objectivity most definitely falls under the umbrella of ethical journalism.

So you're saying that Mother Jones, The Huffington Post, and others like that are unethical?

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

Whining about Laura Ingram isn't much of a counterpoint to the fact that BuzzFeed has no journalistic ethics.

It wasn't supposed to be a counterpoint, but I'm sure you know that but it's easier to make gakky strawman arguments instead.

You're the one who brought up Laure Ingram and her biases in a post about BuzzFeed's ethics. You call my arguments strawmen but you're the one who's shoveling from the haystack.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

I posted an article showing that BuzzFeed has demonstrated a lack of journalistic ethics that even other left wing publications won't defend but you do. You then try to make it all about Laura Ingram for some reason. It's a pattern with how you post.

My only pattern is calling out the dumb gak you like to flood these threads with. Again, the original issue I had (besides your ridiculous outrage) was that while you were complaining about a clickbait websites supposed lack of "ethics," you link a gak site that crafted a perfectly dumb story to meant to trigger people like you into frothing anger while ignore how silly the actual article was and how the source (a Donald Trump shill) has compromised ethics as well.

That is a pattern of how you post.

You can't argue or defend what BuzzFeed did so you attack the messenger (Ingram) instead and now you're trying to make this about me. Your arguments are vapid.

 Compel wrote:
So, I caught the end of that speech. What has the BBC of all places, generally seen as one of the tiny handful of news organisations in the world to be overall apolitical, done so badly to earn the ire of the President Elect of the United States of America?

They printed what he said word-for-word.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 Compel wrote:
So, I caught the end of that speech. What has the BBC of all places, generally seen as one of the tiny handful of news organisations in the world to be overall apolitical, done so badly to earn the ire of the President Elect of the United States of America?

They printed what he said word-for-word.

Pretty much.

 Compel wrote:
So, I caught the end of that speech. What has the BBC of all places, generally seen as one of the tiny handful of news organisations in the world to be overall apolitical, done so badly to earn the ire of the President Elect of the United States of America?

Said even one word against The Chosen?

"President-elect Trump might have made a mistake"

That would be enough to incur wrath of The Chosen One.

 Breotan wrote:
Oh, this had better be fake news...

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/army-leaker-chelsea-manning-on-obamas-short-list-for-commutation/ar-BByaybz?li=AA4ZnC&ocid=spartanntp

President Obama has put Chelsea Manning, the former Army intelligence analyst serving a 35-year sentence for leaking classified material, on his short list for a possible commutation, a Justice Department source told NBC News.

If true, pardoning or commuting Manning’s sentence would be end up rehabbing the actions of Wikileaks and undermine the arguments about it's impact to America...

I certainly hope Obama asks for Clinton and Podesta's input...

I'm curious why Manning's case was shortlisted.

Well it was definitely an interesting press conference. Perhaps one of the least professional ones I've seen by a head of state for a while (and definitely from a US precedent...).

Although the golden shower thing is icky. I'd be more concerned about comments like pg 8 item5 where it states that

Commenting on the negative media publicity surrounding alleged Russian interference in the US election campaign in support of TRUMP, Source E said he understood that the Republican candidate and his team were relatively relaxed about this because it deflected media and the Democrats attention away from TRUMP's business dealings in China and other emerging markets. Unlike in Russia, these were substantial involved the payment of large bribes and kickbacks which, were they to become public, would be potentially very damaging to their campaign

I think these are the areas that the press should be investigating more thoroughly to see if they are true! We might just be seeing the same thing again whilst 'houses are cleaned'?

As to McCain's role and motive for handing over the documents to the FBI, it is my understanding that he tried to but was told, thanks but we already have them. It is a document that has been circulating for quite some time in media circles and when the "bus/grabbing" video was released, lots of pundits were saying that it was small beans compared to what was coming (this one). It is what Reed was referring to when he asked Comey to conduct a review of Trump's connections to Russia.

My concern is less to do with the sexual acts themselves (couldn't care less) and more to do with possible blackmail fodder.

 Breotan wrote:
Oh, this had better be fake news...

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/army-leaker-chelsea-manning-on-obamas-short-list-for-commutation/ar-BByaybz?li=AA4ZnC&ocid=spartanntp

President Obama has put Chelsea Manning, the former Army intelligence analyst serving a 35-year sentence for leaking classified material, on his short list for a possible commutation, a Justice Department source told NBC News.

Chelsea Manning is a hero and I hope that Obama pardons her.

Rosebuddy wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
Oh, this had better be fake news...

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/army-leaker-chelsea-manning-on-obamas-short-list-for-commutation/ar-BByaybz?li=AA4ZnC&ocid=spartanntp

President Obama has put Chelsea Manning, the former Army intelligence analyst serving a 35-year sentence for leaking classified material, on his short list for a possible commutation, a Justice Department source told NBC News.

Chelsea Manning is a hero and I hope that Obama pardons her.

Hell no.

A) laws were broken.

B) had his day in court

C) whistle blower laws does exist and for some reason, chose not to use it.

 whembly wrote:

Rosebuddy wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
Oh, this had better be fake news...

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/army-leaker-chelsea-manning-on-obamas-short-list-for-commutation/ar-BByaybz?li=AA4ZnC&ocid=spartanntp

President Obama has put Chelsea Manning, the former Army intelligence analyst serving a 35-year sentence for leaking classified material, on his short list for a possible commutation, a Justice Department source told NBC News.

Chelsea Manning is a hero and I hope that Obama pardons her.

Hell no.

A) laws were broken.

B) had his day in court

C) whistle blower laws does exist and for some reason, chose not to use it.

He isn't a whistleblower. You might be able to argue that for Snowden but not Manning.

I do wish they'd give him his sex change operation. I think becoming a eunuch (what an odd looking word) is a fine penalty for treason.

 Breotan wrote:

I do wish they'd give him his sex change operation. I think becoming a eunuch (what an odd looking word) is a fine penalty for treason.

Are these two sentences next to each other supposed to be related? I hope not. because it would say all kinds of unflattering things about you if these were connected.

That's... remarkably transphobic. I think she should serve her time, but there's not need to be a donkey-cave.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

I do wish they'd give him his sex change operation. I think becoming a eunuch (what an odd looking word) is a fine penalty for treason.

Are these two sentences next to each other supposed to be related? I hope not. because it would say all kinds of unflattering things about you if these were connected.

Yeah, that right there is pretty much all you need to know about that poster...he let his own identity slip.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

I do wish they'd give him his sex change operation. I think becoming a eunuch (what an odd looking word) is a fine penalty for treason.

Are these two sentences next to each other supposed to be related? I hope not. because it would say all kinds of unflattering things about you if these were connected.

I'll be honest. My attitude toward Manning is unflattering. We can't castrate people for crimes in this country but if the guy is adamant about volunteering, I say go for it. The whole sex change thing basically makes it's a civil right instead of punishment so I don't see a downside here.

 Breotan wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

I do wish they'd give him his sex change operation. I think becoming a eunuch (what an odd looking word) is a fine penalty for treason.

Are these two sentences next to each other supposed to be related? I hope not. because it would say all kinds of unflattering things about you if these were connected.

I'll be honest. My attitude toward Manning is unflattering. We can't castrate people for crimes in this country but if the guy is adamant about volunteering, I say go for it. The whole sex change thing basically makes it's a civil right or something instead of punishment so I don't see a downside here.

1. Complain about "liberals" calling people bigots

2. Be transphobic

3. ???

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