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As we move on from 2 girls 1 Trump we search around for any good things about this new era...
Spoiler:
..well it's a start
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
The astute amongst you will notice that the emphasis is on the dossier's author and not on the dossier's contents
That it appears he has also gone into hiding before this all came to light is a good indicator that the person thinks he is at risk from the released information. That implies he at least believes there is enough in it that he's worried that he or is family might become the next Litvinenko.
"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V
I've just supported the Permanent European Union Citizenship initiative. Please do the same and spread the word!
"It's not a problem if you don't look up." - Dakka's approach to politics
As we move on from 2 girls 1 Trump we search around for any good things about this new era...
Spoiler:
..well it's a start
Everytime we clap Bono looses a master recording.
Go Trump!
While I enjoy a good rip on Bono "believes his own hype" as much as the next guy, let's not sit around and pretend that Boy, War, Joshua Tree, Achtung Baby and Zooropa aren't genius pop records.
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We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
So, my opinion on some stuff has changed over time. I was one of those people that are, shall we say, highly alarmed, after reading about Pence's personal political beliefs back before the whole VP thing was, well, a thing.
Now though? Especially after watching the end of the speech yesterday. (EG, what surrounds the opening of this video)
Now though... I'm kind of thinking, "ok, so, best case scenario, Trump gets bored and wanders off after a year or so (EG 'my business / family needs me, I love my country and Pence is great guy, real great guy). So, what will happen is...
Civil Rights in the USA will probably go back 20 years. Which is well, really sucky and I feel sorry for those in the US who are the targeted demographics of such. On the other hand, it's not a nuclear winter...
Given that he is talking about blockading China's built islands that might not take too long...
"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V
I've just supported the Permanent European Union Citizenship initiative. Please do the same and spread the word!
"It's not a problem if you don't look up." - Dakka's approach to politics
Given that he is talking about blockading China's built islands that might not take too long...
That's Rex Tillerman, the candidate for Secretary of State.
He'd have to persuade Trump and Gen. Mattis... and have the Pacific countries on board.
Not sure Australia/Japan/Taiwan/Philliphines/etc... are ready for such confrontation.
EDIT: also, this is interesting:
BREAKING: Justice Dept. Inspector General launches review of FBI and DOJ actions ahead of 2016 presidential election https://t.co/n7TqA3E2wo pic.twitter.com/vg6d7mGd2t
— ABC News (@ABC) January 12, 2017
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WHAT'S FALSE: Pence never stated that he supported the use of electric shocks or "gay conversion" therapy.
Even the RNC Chair publicly stated that the electric conversion therapy is not part of the party's platform. It's a baseless accusation from the same types who were offended and outraged when this type of misinformation was spread about the outgoing POTUS.
BREAKING: Justice Dept. Inspector General launches review of FBI and DOJ actions ahead of 2016 presidential election https://t.co/n7TqA3E2wo pic.twitter.com/vg6d7mGd2t
The scope of the review covers more than just Mr Comey's actions throughout the campaign, however. It will also address concerns expressed by Republicans that some lower-level FBI officials may have improperly shared information with the Clinton campaign.
It'll be interesting to see if this investigation actually has teeth and finds evidence. Otherwise it risks looking like a further attempt to poison the well.
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Compel wrote: So, my opinion on some stuff has changed over time. I was one of those people that are, shall we say, highly alarmed, after reading about Pence's personal political beliefs back before the whole VP thing was, well, a thing.
Now though? Especially after watching the end of the speech yesterday. (EG, what surrounds the opening of this video)
Now though... I'm kind of thinking, "ok, so, best case scenario, Trump gets bored and wanders off after a year or so (EG 'my business / family needs me, I love my country and Pence is great guy, real great guy). So, what will happen is...
Civil Rights in the USA will probably go back 20 years. Which is well, really sucky and I feel sorry for those in the US who are the targeted demographics of such. On the other hand, it's not a nuclear winter...
He really is a sniveling, self-centered coward isn't he.
Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote: Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote: Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
BaronIveagh wrote: Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
Given that he is talking about blockading China's built islands that might not take too long...
We are currently overflying with military aircraft and running carrier groups right through there. Seems par for the course for escalation of the Obama Doctrine there.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Given that he is talking about blockading China's built islands that might not take too long...
We are currently overflying with military aircraft and running carrier groups right through there. Seems par for the course for escalation of the Obama Doctrine there.
There is a difference between freedom of the seas and actually blockading
Breotan wrote: I don't know anything about this guy but I do remember how intelligence was shaped to fit an agenda (WMD's in Iraq) and how that all turned out. I say people need to prove what's true so it can be dealt with by Congress and flush the rest as gossip.
This whole thing is reaching "Revenge of the Birthers" level stupid.
The Cambridge Spies were a group of British MI6 agents that worked for British intelligience in the 1930s/40s/50s.
They had all attended Cambridge University where they were recruited, hence the name
They were also secretly working for the Soviet Union...
Dozens of agents and operatives were betrayed to their deaths in Eastern Europe, and the scandal nearly destroyed MI6.
Point is, the agency has had more than its fair share of traitors, renegades, and rogue agents over the years.
Any story that involves MI6, I treat with caution...
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Given that he is talking about blockading China's built islands that might not take too long...
We are currently overflying with military aircraft and running carrier groups right through there. Seems par for the course for escalation of the Obama Doctrine there.
There is a difference between freedom of the seas and actually blockading
Both will get you killed.
Barbary Pirates
War of 1812
WWI
Cuban Missile Crisis.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
The astute amongst you will notice that the emphasis is on the dossier's author and not on the dossier's contents
That it appears he has also gone into hiding before this all came to light is a good indicator that the person thinks he is at risk from the released information. That implies he at least believes there is enough in it that he's worried that he or is family might become the next Litvinenko.
I stand by what I said a few pages ago: this evidence has more holes in it than Swiss Cheese.
Cohen says he's never been to Prague before in his life. With all the money and support at their service, it should be very very easy for American intelligience to check this out.
We're also supposed to believe that Clinton made unsecure phone calls in an unfriendly location, despite being an experienced politician, and despite having support staff around her who would have pointed this out...
And we're supposed to believe that elements of the Russian Secret Service acted without Putin's knowledge.
This would be Putin the former KGB man and former head of the FSB...
Perhaps this ex-MI6 character is on the run because he thinks he made a bad blunder?
Who knows?
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infinite_array wrote: Steele and Orbis Business Intelligence, the company he's a director of, played a major role in bringing the corruption within FIFA to light.
There's a world of difference between taking on a few ex-soccer players at FIFA and taking on the Russian secret service.
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BrotherGecko wrote: If Russia is sitting on info that could blackmail Trump or destroy any legitimacy the Trump presidency has and the US intelligence community can prove this, then they absolutely need to speak up and show the info. If we carry out the swearing in and an independent group leaks the information then not only do we lose a legitimate president but also the last bits of legitimacy in the intelligence community of the US as well as the legislative branch of the government. All would be very bad.
If there is nothing, then someone like Obama needs to step up real quick before he ETSs and say its BS. If that dossier has any truths in it, they are going to come out eventually.
A very good post.
American dakka members can correct me on this if I'm wrong, but I assume that people working for US intelligience will take the oath to protect the constitution from all enemies, both foreign and domestic?
If this is the case, then they have a duty to act. Either verify or disprove the claim that Trump is compromised or fall on their swords and resign...
There's no middle ground on this one. The USA is being made into a laughing stock and these agents must act and clear this up once and for all.
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"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
American dakka members can correct me on this if I'm wrong, but I assume that people working for US intelligience will take the oath to protect the constitution from all enemies, both foreign and domestic?
The intelligence departments are still civilian entities (outside of the military of course).
Therefore, I'm sure these folks has signed an oath via a legal contract, as a condition of employment.
American dakka members can correct me on this if I'm wrong, but I assume that people working for US intelligience will take the oath to protect the constitution from all enemies, both foreign and domestic?
The intelligence departments are still civilian entities (outside of the military of course).
Therefore, I'm sure these folks has signed an oath via a legal contract, as a condition of employment.
None the less, whembly, your president elect is being made to look an idiot by a foreign intelligience service, and the reputation of your nation is being dragged through the gutter.
These agents have a duty to act. Instead, they seem to have an almighty fence up their rears, and are content to release hogwash through the media.
That's dereliction of duty in my book.
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
American dakka members can correct me on this if I'm wrong, but I assume that people working for US intelligience will take the oath to protect the constitution from all enemies, both foreign and domestic?
The intelligence departments are still civilian entities (outside of the military of course).
Therefore, I'm sure these folks has signed an oath via a legal contract, as a condition of employment.
None the less, whembly, your president elect is being made to look an idiot by a foreign intelligience service, and the reputation of your nation is being dragged through the gutter.
These agents have a duty to act. Instead, they seem to have an almighty fence up their rears, and are content to release hogwash through the media.
That's dereliction of duty in my book.
I'd proffer that our reputation is already in the gutters.
On serious note, this was a leak. Pure and simply.
The DNI called Trump personally that the IC did indeed get these memos and hasn't declared that they're credible. In this take... they're doing their job.
American dakka members can correct me on this if I'm wrong, but I assume that people working for US intelligience will take the oath to protect the constitution from all enemies, both foreign and domestic?
The intelligence departments are still civilian entities (outside of the military of course).
Therefore, I'm sure these folks has signed an oath via a legal contract, as a condition of employment.
None the less, whembly, your president elect is being made to look an idiot by a foreign intelligience service, and the reputation of your nation is being dragged through the gutter.
These agents have a duty to act. Instead, they seem to have an almighty fence up their rears, and are content to release hogwash through the media.
That's dereliction of duty in my book.
I'd proffer that our reputation is already in the gutters.
On serious note, this was a leak. Pure and simply.
The DNI called Trump personally that the IC did indeed get these memos and hasn't declared that they're credible. In this take... they're doing their job.
I thinks leaks are going to be a big problem for the Trump administration. He should form a select group to plug these leaks, have them answer only to the Oval office, should be called plumbers, and also to be on the safe side, they should meet at least once a month in the Watergate Hotel
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"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
My son was diagnosed with Down Syndrome very early on in my wife's pregnancy. One of the indicators that ticked off concern to check was the baby's heartbeat, which they detected in the last week of the first month of my wife's pregnancy. In well less than 30 days, his heart was beating well enough that anomalies could be picked out. Because people are fine with the thought of a fetus' head crushed with a pair of forceps doesn't change the developmental process, no matter how hard you try to rationalize/euphemize/come to grips with it.
Cohen says he's never been to Prague before in his life. With all the money and support at their service, it should be very very easy for American intelligience to check this out.
He was in Italy in July though by his own admission...The location (Italy is not that far from Prague) and dates (early August could easily become late July) are not massively out to be unreasonable The intelligence gathering in the documents clearly state that the person providing the information could not be completely open. It's not impossible to imagine that some of the details changed without the sources knowledge (especially if it came to him before the event).
We're also supposed to believe that Clinton made unsecure phone calls in an unfriendly location, despite being an experienced politician, and despite having support staff around her who would have pointed this out...
Well we already know that she used an unsecured server, so it's not impossible that she was being too blasé, especially if they included more personal matters.
And we're supposed to believe that elements of the Russian Secret Service acted without Putin's knowledge.
That's simply called plausible deniability. If the one thing he will know about is not leaving a paper trail. Just like he doesn't know there were/are Russian military personnel in Ukraine.
Perhaps this ex-MI6 character is on the run because he thinks he made a bad blunder?
This person has spent his life as a spy in the shadows, someone that effectively put his life at risk for the Country. Are you really suggesting that he might go into hiding simply because he got it wrong? It's more likely that now people know who he is that it is because a) what he has released or b) what people think he could release in the future. Given what happened with Litvinenko I can't really say I blame him.
"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V
I've just supported the Permanent European Union Citizenship initiative. Please do the same and spread the word!
"It's not a problem if you don't look up." - Dakka's approach to politics
Your cheap attempt to use emotion-based arguments has failed. Abortion is a necessary procedure. Is it unpleasant? Yes. But it it necessary. If abortion were outlawed, it would he establishing a precedent that women do not have a right to their own bodies.
Also, fetuses do not have the necessary feel pain until 20 weeks. I'm going to entirely avoid your personal anecdote.
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