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@frazz: are you saying (I'm pretty sure, but I don't want to presume) that Obama shouldn't have given the medal to Biden or that Biden didn't deserve the medal for his service? If there is anybody who is alive that deserves that medal, it is Biden. Look up the medal's purpose. Look up what Biden has done in his long career (mostly in the senate). I'll wait.


Still believe that?

No, no you don't. The only reason we have a gakstain as a president elect is because Biden was a human being with emotions and self requirements as to what it means to be a president and he knew his limitations at that moment. He had all the positives people saw with Trump (for the working middle class, tells it like it is, doesn't care about language--except his are true and not self serving) and none of the hinderances of Clinton (email, disregard of law, humanity, boobs). He would have had the Bernie crowd and the base. He would have had fence sitters. He would have had Whembly. He is someone who deserves every award we can fit around his neck. He cares about you, even though you don't care about him. If you don't think that, again, I suggest you read more about him.


It might have been a humorous post like you like to write, and which all of us appreciate now and again to take the heat off of this forum, but it was an ill informed one.

And if, after having learned about the man, and you still don't see it, just watch the award ceremony. He understands what this country means and what it means to serve it.

Voted to increase sentences for drug offenders, including marijuana
***That makes you a LBGTQ hating Nazi? Some better tell the Clintons. How does that even relate?
-Is against Climate Change policies across the board
***That makes you a LBGTQ hating Nazi? How does that even relate?
-Believes in the Patriot Act
***I guess we better burn Obama and Biden at the state and shoot Hillary then I mean she did vote for it and they enacted it.

-Supported Arizona's strictest anti-illegal immigration policies
***That makes you a LBGTQ hating Nazi? How does that even relate?

-Believes smoking cigarettes doesn't kill
***That makes you a LBGTQ hating Nazi? How does that even relate?

-Opposes LGBTQ discrimination rights
***You’ll have to be way more specific.

-Opposes LGBTQ in the military and same-sex marriage,
***Now you’re getting somewhere. That doesn’t make him a Nazi though. That makes him 2008 Obama
while approving of conversion therapy
***I do not know the details of his involvement (he is a Yankee after all) but from little info I know of the practice itself, yea that’s officially fethed up.

-Wants to defund Planned Parenthood, opposes sex education, and wants to return Roe v. Wade to "the pile of ashes it belongs in"
***PP is sucking off the government tit and has no place getting money especially after ACA was supposed to free us at last. That doesn’t make him an LGBTX hating Nazi though.
***Sex education. I don’t know the details. That doesn’t make him an LGBTX hating Nazi though.
***Roe V. Wade was terrible law made of whole cloth. Here’s the fun part. Under Roe V. Wade once “viability” is established (up to conception) then abortion can be illegal. Uh oh… That doesn’t make him an LGBTX hating Nazi though.

Nazi is a word we don't use in Germany.

 wuestenfux wrote:
Nazi is a word we don't use in Germany.

It's the law.

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
@frazz: are you saying (I'm pretty sure, but I don't want to presume) that Obama shouldn't have given the medal to Biden or that Biden didn't deserve the medal for his service? If there is anybody who is alive that deserves that medal, it is Biden. Look up the medal's purpose. Look up what Biden has done in his long career (mostly in the senate). I'll wait.

I'm saying he has been an excellent Senator and a career long politician. You shouldn't get a special award for that though. If thats the criteria 1) its stupid; 2) there a whole lot of godawful politicians that deserve it too. Better they all get kicked out of office. No one should spend their lifetimes in Congress. thats why we are where we are.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
@frazz: are you saying (I'm pretty sure, but I don't want to presume) that Obama shouldn't have given the medal to Biden or that Biden didn't deserve the medal for his service? If there is anybody who is alive that deserves that medal, it is Biden. Look up the medal's purpose. Look up what Biden has done in his long career (mostly in the senate). I'll wait.

I'm saying he has been an excellent Senator and a career long politician. You shouldn't get a special award for that though. If thats the criteria 1) its stupid; 2) there a whole lot of godawful politicians that deserve it too. Better they all get kicked out of office. No one should spend their lifetimes in Congress. thats why we are where we are.

You're not where you are because of people doing their jobs in congress for their whole life. You are where you are because of people spending their whole lives in congress grandstanding and obstructing rather than governing.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
@frazz: are you saying (I'm pretty sure, but I don't want to presume) that Obama shouldn't have given the medal to Biden or that Biden didn't deserve the medal for his service? If there is anybody who is alive that deserves that medal, it is Biden. Look up the medal's purpose. Look up what Biden has done in his long career (mostly in the senate). I'll wait.

I'm saying he has been an excellent Senator and a career long politician. You shouldn't get a special award for that though. If thats the criteria 1) its stupid; 2) there a whole lot of godawful politicians that deserve it too. Better they all get kicked out of office. No one should spend their lifetimes in Congress. thats why we are where we are.

I guess you don't understand what the point or benefit of public service is then. We are where we are right now for a lot of reasons, one of which is people don't understand or appreciate public service, including, often times the sevants themselves. Another of which is some public servants still do. Biden is one of the latter. He made some money as a senator, yup. More than he would have made in the private sphere? Nope.

 Frazzled wrote:
Voted to increase sentences for drug offenders, including marijuana
***That makes you a LBGTQ hating Nazi? Some better tell the Clintons. How does that even relate?
-Is against Climate Change policies across the board
***That makes you a LBGTQ hating Nazi? How does that even relate?
-Believes in the Patriot Act
***I guess we better burn Obama and Biden at the state and shoot Hillary then I mean she did vote for it and they enacted it.

-Supported Arizona's strictest anti-illegal immigration policies
***That makes you a LBGTQ hating Nazi? How does that even relate?

-Believes smoking cigarettes doesn't kill
***That makes you a LBGTQ hating Nazi? How does that even relate?

-Opposes LGBTQ discrimination rights
***You’ll have to be way more specific.

-Opposes LGBTQ in the military and same-sex marriage,
***Now you’re getting somewhere. That doesn’t make him a Nazi though. That makes him 2008 Obama
while approving of conversion therapy
***I do not know the details of his involvement (he is a Yankee after all) but from little info I know of the practice itself, yea that’s officially fethed up.

-Wants to defund Planned Parenthood, opposes sex education, and wants to return Roe v. Wade to "the pile of ashes it belongs in"
***PP is sucking off the government tit and has no place getting money especially after ACA was supposed to free us at last. That doesn’t make him an LGBTX hating Nazi though.
***Sex education. I don’t know the details. That doesn’t make him an LGBTX hating Nazi though.
***Roe V. Wade was terrible law made of whole cloth. Here’s the fun part. Under Roe V. Wade once “viability” is established (up to conception) then abortion can be illegal. Uh oh… That doesn’t make him an LGBTX hating Nazi though.

Not once did I saw he was a Nazi, thanks for putting words in my mouth. I just said that he was a nightmare for non-straight, white, Christian males. But keep painting with that broad brush. Also, I'm saying the rest of his policies are just as bullgak pro-1950's America as he is.

P.S. pretty clear he hates the LGBTQ crowd,

Looking to move into a specific area of Philadelphia - local parks are cracking down on marijuana issues in the local area. Dealers/hippies/hobos are always an issue in cities. I smell marijuana every-time I'm at the park a block away from where I want to live. It really needs to stop.

I'm glad Sessions can crack down and shut the slow creep of legalization. I want it to stay our of the NY/NJ for at least another 20~ years.

 Frazzled wrote:
No one should spend their lifetimes in Congress. thats why we are where we are.

The fact that there are awful career politicians is a fault of the voters, not the fact that career politicians exist.

This obsession some people have with only wanting amateurs or part timers to run government is bizarre.

 Stevefamine wrote:
Looking to move into a specific area of Philadelphia - local parks are cracking down on marijuana issues in the local area. Dealers/hippies/hobos are always an issue in cities. I smell marijuana every-time I'm at the park a block away from where I want to live. It really needs to stop.

I'm glad Sessions can crack down and shut the slow creep of legalization. I want it to stay our of the NY/NJ for at least another 20~ years.

Is there a high incidence of any other crimes in the area besides pot smoking? The mere act of smoking marijuana really doesn't negatively impact anyone. People should be free to smoke or not smoke marijuana as they choose its pretty pathetic that we've criminalized smoking marijuana.

 feeder wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
No one should spend their lifetimes in Congress. thats why we are where we are.

The fact that there are awful career politicians is a fault of the voters, not the fact that career politicians exist.

This obsession some people have with only wanting amateurs or part timers to run government is bizarre.

It isn't only bizarre, it is unobserved. Note Whembly's total misunderstanding of the political cartoon a few pages back. He isn't dumb. Consider what the dumb people think.

 Stevefamine wrote:
Looking to move into a specific area of Philadelphia - local parks are cracking down on marijuana issues in the local area. Dealers/hippies/hobos are always an issue in cities. I smell marijuana every-time I'm at the park a block away from where I want to live. It really needs to stop.

I'm glad Sessions can crack down and shut the slow creep of legalization. I want it to stay our of the NY/NJ for at least another 20~ years.

Then lets ban cigarette smokers and send all the people that produce, manufacture, and buy it to jail

 Gordon Shumway wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
@frazz: are you saying (I'm pretty sure, but I don't want to presume) that Obama shouldn't have given the medal to Biden or that Biden didn't deserve the medal for his service? If there is anybody who is alive that deserves that medal, it is Biden. Look up the medal's purpose. Look up what Biden has done in his long career (mostly in the senate). I'll wait.

I'm saying he has been an excellent Senator and a career long politician. You shouldn't get a special award for that though. If thats the criteria 1) its stupid; 2) there a whole lot of godawful politicians that deserve it too. Better they all get kicked out of office. No one should spend their lifetimes in Congress. thats why we are where we are.

I guess you don't understand what the point or benefit of public service is then. We are where we are right now for a lot of reasons, one of which is people don't understand or appreciate public service, including, often times the sevants themselves. Another of which is some public servants still do. Biden is one of the latter. He made some money as a senator, yup. More than he would have made in the private sphere? Nope.

You call it public service like its a good thing. I call being a sleazy politician.

 Ustrello wrote:

 Stevefamine wrote:
Looking to move into a specific area of Philadelphia - local parks are cracking down on marijuana issues in the local area. Dealers/hippies/hobos are always an issue in cities. I smell marijuana every-time I'm at the park a block away from where I want to live. It really needs to stop.

I'm glad Sessions can crack down and shut the slow creep of legalization. I want it to stay our of the NY/NJ for at least another 20~ years.

Then lets ban cigarette smokers and send all the people that produce, manufacture, and buy it to jail

From my cold (because of vascular retraction) dead (because of lung cancer) hands (covered in tar). I still smoke.

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
I guess you don't understand what the point of public service is then.

Given the elitist attitudes displayed by of many of our Senators, I'm thinking more than a few don't understand the point of public service either.

BTW, I'm actually not taking a shot at Biden here, just making a comment about Senators in general.

 jreilly89 wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Voted to increase sentences for drug offenders, including marijuana
***That makes you a LBGTQ hating Nazi? Some better tell the Clintons. How does that even relate?
-Is against Climate Change policies across the board
***That makes you a LBGTQ hating Nazi? How does that even relate?
-Believes in the Patriot Act
***I guess we better burn Obama and Biden at the state and shoot Hillary then I mean she did vote for it and they enacted it.

-Supported Arizona's strictest anti-illegal immigration policies
***That makes you a LBGTQ hating Nazi? How does that even relate?

-Believes smoking cigarettes doesn't kill
***That makes you a LBGTQ hating Nazi? How does that even relate?

-Opposes LGBTQ discrimination rights
***You’ll have to be way more specific.

-Opposes LGBTQ in the military and same-sex marriage,
***Now you’re getting somewhere. That doesn’t make him a Nazi though. That makes him 2008 Obama
while approving of conversion therapy
***I do not know the details of his involvement (he is a Yankee after all) but from little info I know of the practice itself, yea that’s officially fethed up.

-Wants to defund Planned Parenthood, opposes sex education, and wants to return Roe v. Wade to "the pile of ashes it belongs in"
***PP is sucking off the government tit and has no place getting money especially after ACA was supposed to free us at last. That doesn’t make him an LGBTX hating Nazi though.
***Sex education. I don’t know the details. That doesn’t make him an LGBTX hating Nazi though.
***Roe V. Wade was terrible law made of whole cloth. Here’s the fun part. Under Roe V. Wade once “viability” is established (up to conception) then abortion can be illegal. Uh oh… That doesn’t make him an LGBTX hating Nazi though.

Not once did I saw he was a Nazi, thanks for putting words in my mouth. I just said that he was a nightmare for non-straight, white, Christian males. But keep painting with that broad brush. Also, I'm saying the rest of his policies are just as bullgak pro-1950's America as he is.

P.S. pretty clear he hates the LGBTQ crowd,

Fine, switch it from Nazi to nightmare. 3/4 of those still have nothing to do with LGBTQ, and as noted would be standard playbook against any R politician (indeed against HRC).

 Frazzled wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Voted to increase sentences for drug offenders, including marijuana
***That makes you a LBGTQ hating Nazi? Some better tell the Clintons. How does that even relate?
-Is against Climate Change policies across the board
***That makes you a LBGTQ hating Nazi? How does that even relate?
-Believes in the Patriot Act
***I guess we better burn Obama and Biden at the state and shoot Hillary then I mean she did vote for it and they enacted it.

-Supported Arizona's strictest anti-illegal immigration policies
***That makes you a LBGTQ hating Nazi? How does that even relate?

-Believes smoking cigarettes doesn't kill
***That makes you a LBGTQ hating Nazi? How does that even relate?

-Opposes LGBTQ discrimination rights
***You’ll have to be way more specific.

-Opposes LGBTQ in the military and same-sex marriage,
***Now you’re getting somewhere. That doesn’t make him a Nazi though. That makes him 2008 Obama
while approving of conversion therapy
***I do not know the details of his involvement (he is a Yankee after all) but from little info I know of the practice itself, yea that’s officially fethed up.

-Wants to defund Planned Parenthood, opposes sex education, and wants to return Roe v. Wade to "the pile of ashes it belongs in"
***PP is sucking off the government tit and has no place getting money especially after ACA was supposed to free us at last. That doesn’t make him an LGBTX hating Nazi though.
***Sex education. I don’t know the details. That doesn’t make him an LGBTX hating Nazi though.
***Roe V. Wade was terrible law made of whole cloth. Here’s the fun part. Under Roe V. Wade once “viability” is established (up to conception) then abortion can be illegal. Uh oh… That doesn’t make him an LGBTX hating Nazi though.

Not once did I saw he was a Nazi, thanks for putting words in my mouth. I just said that he was a nightmare for non-straight, white, Christian males. But keep painting with that broad brush. Also, I'm saying the rest of his policies are just as bullgak pro-1950's America as he is.

P.S. pretty clear he hates the LGBTQ crowd,

Fine, switch it from Nazi to nightmare. 3/4 of those still have nothing to do with LGBTQ, and as noted would be standard playbook against any R politician (indeed against HRC).

Hence why I typically don't vote Republic. Besides, the difference is Pence is cavalier and zealous enough to be able to actually accomplish some of these policies. Look at what he did to his own state.


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 Stevefamine wrote:
Looking to move into a specific area of Philadelphia - local parks are cracking down on marijuana issues in the local area. Dealers/hippies/hobos are always an issue in cities. I smell marijuana every-time I'm at the park a block away from where I want to live. It really needs to stop.

I'm glad Sessions can crack down and shut the slow creep of legalization. I want it to stay our of the NY/NJ for at least another 20~ years.

So, marijuana is bad, but alcohol/mental health issues/cigarettes totally okay? You have an interesting set of priorities.

 Gordon Shumway wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:

 Stevefamine wrote:
Looking to move into a specific area of Philadelphia - local parks are cracking down on marijuana issues in the local area. Dealers/hippies/hobos are always an issue in cities. I smell marijuana every-time I'm at the park a block away from where I want to live. It really needs to stop.

I'm glad Sessions can crack down and shut the slow creep of legalization. I want it to stay our of the NY/NJ for at least another 20~ years.

Then lets ban cigarette smokers and send all the people that produce, manufacture, and buy it to jail

From my cold (because of vascular retraction) dead (because of lung cancer) hands (covered in tar). I still smoke.

From hells smoke filled black heart I stab at thee

 Breotan wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
I guess you don't understand what the point of public service is then.

Given the elitist attitudes displayed by of many of our Senators, I'm thinking more than a few don't understand the point of public service either.

BTW, I'm actually not taking a shot at Biden here, just making a comment about Senators in general.

And given the truth of that observation, it only makes Biden that much more deserving of his award. I could name half a dozen Senators off the top of my head that I wouldn't take for one Biden.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
@frazz: are you saying (I'm pretty sure, but I don't want to presume) that Obama shouldn't have given the medal to Biden or that Biden didn't deserve the medal for his service? If there is anybody who is alive that deserves that medal, it is Biden. Look up the medal's purpose. Look up what Biden has done in his long career (mostly in the senate). I'll wait.

I'm saying he has been an excellent Senator and a career long politician. You shouldn't get a special award for that though. If thats the criteria 1) its stupid; 2) there a whole lot of godawful politicians that deserve it too. Better they all get kicked out of office. No one should spend their lifetimes in Congress. thats why we are where we are.

I guess you don't understand what the point or benefit of public service is then. We are where we are right now for a lot of reasons, one of which is people don't understand or appreciate public service, including, often times the sevants themselves. Another of which is some public servants still do. Biden is one of the latter. He made some money as a senator, yup. More than he would have made in the private sphere? Nope.

You call it public service like its a good thing. I call being a sleazy politician.

And therein lies the problem. If our govt, is of, by and for the people, it should probably be made up of by the people. The right seems to think that the govt. is some sort of existential, out there, removed threat. Nope. We are it. Sorry. You sort of have a say and responsibility in the matter. Don't like it, fine, speak up. Like it, fine, speak up. To pretend otherwise is just absconding you own responsibilities in the matter. That is what makes an authoritative human like Trump so appealing to so many--lots of hard decisions, make them up for me.

If you view public service as just sleazy politicians making up rules you have to follow, then you aren't playing the game as the rules were set up. You sort of lost before you had a chance to throw the die. At least take the opportunity to throw those die. They are rounded and won't cut you too deeply. They might be loaded as well. That is why we trust you are there throwing them and checking them. Without you, we are well and truly fethed.

 Gordon Shumway wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
@frazz: are you saying (I'm pretty sure, but I don't want to presume) that Obama shouldn't have given the medal to Biden or that Biden didn't deserve the medal for his service? If there is anybody who is alive that deserves that medal, it is Biden. Look up the medal's purpose. Look up what Biden has done in his long career (mostly in the senate). I'll wait.

I'm saying he has been an excellent Senator and a career long politician. You shouldn't get a special award for that though. If thats the criteria 1) its stupid; 2) there a whole lot of godawful politicians that deserve it too. Better they all get kicked out of office. No one should spend their lifetimes in Congress. thats why we are where we are.

I guess you don't understand what the point or benefit of public service is then. We are where we are right now for a lot of reasons, one of which is people don't understand or appreciate public service, including, often times the sevants themselves. Another of which is some public servants still do. Biden is one of the latter. He made some money as a senator, yup. More than he would have made in the private sphere? Nope.

You call it public service like its a good thing. I call being a sleazy politician.

And therein lies the problem. If our govt, is of, by and for the people, it should probably be made up of by the people. The right seems to think that the govt. is some sort of existential, out there, removed threat. Nope. We are it. Sorry. You sort of have a say and responsibility in the matter. Don't like it, fine, speak up. Like it, fine, speak up. To pretend otherwise is just absconding you own responsibilities in the matter. That is what makes an authoritative human like Trump so appealing to so many--lots of hard decisions, make them up for me.

If you view public service as just sleazy politicians making up rules you have to follow, then you aren't playing the game as the rules were set up. You sort of lost before you had a chance to throw the die. At least take the opportunity to throw those die. They are rounded and won't cut you too deeply. They might be loaded as well. That is why we trust you are there throwing them and checking them. Without you, we are well and truly fethed.

"The right seems..."?

Well... lemme stop you here and elucidate.

THESE politicians work for US!

They're not royalty, experts or deserving of worship or deference.

Simply stated. We're the boss, so act like it.

 whembly wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
@frazz: are you saying (I'm pretty sure, but I don't want to presume) that Obama shouldn't have given the medal to Biden or that Biden didn't deserve the medal for his service? If there is anybody who is alive that deserves that medal, it is Biden. Look up the medal's purpose. Look up what Biden has done in his long career (mostly in the senate). I'll wait.

I'm saying he has been an excellent Senator and a career long politician. You shouldn't get a special award for that though. If thats the criteria 1) its stupid; 2) there a whole lot of godawful politicians that deserve it too. Better they all get kicked out of office. No one should spend their lifetimes in Congress. thats why we are where we are.

I guess you don't understand what the point or benefit of public service is then. We are where we are right now for a lot of reasons, one of which is people don't understand or appreciate public service, including, often times the sevants themselves. Another of which is some public servants still do. Biden is one of the latter. He made some money as a senator, yup. More than he would have made in the private sphere? Nope.

You call it public service like its a good thing. I call being a sleazy politician.

And therein lies the problem. If our govt, is of, by and for the people, it should probably be made up of by the people. The right seems to think that the govt. is some sort of existential, out there, removed threat. Nope. We are it. Sorry. You sort of have a say and responsibility in the matter. Don't like it, fine, speak up. Like it, fine, speak up. To pretend otherwise is just absconding you own responsibilities in the matter. That is what makes an authoritative human like Trump so appealing to so many--lots of hard decisions, make them up for me.

If you view public service as just sleazy politicians making up rules you have to follow, then you aren't playing the game as the rules were set up. You sort of lost before you had a chance to throw the die. At least take the opportunity to throw those die. They are rounded and won't cut you too deeply. They might be loaded as well. That is why we trust you are there throwing them and checking them. Without you, we are well and truly fethed.

"The right seems..."?

Well... lemme stop you here and elucidate.

THESE politicians work for US!

They're not royalty, experts or deserving of worship or deference.

Simply stated. We're the boss, so act like it.

Let me stop you, these politicians are us. Biden never forgot that. Or to put it another way, we are, or should be the politicians. Nothing is stopping you from organizing a group to get recognition. We are the boss, not like you think in that we have control over them, but in the literal sense. It's not "these politicians work for us" it's these politicians are us. We are the govt.

 Gordon Shumway wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
@frazz: are you saying (I'm pretty sure, but I don't want to presume) that Obama shouldn't have given the medal to Biden or that Biden didn't deserve the medal for his service? If there is anybody who is alive that deserves that medal, it is Biden. Look up the medal's purpose. Look up what Biden has done in his long career (mostly in the senate). I'll wait.

I'm saying he has been an excellent Senator and a career long politician. You shouldn't get a special award for that though. If thats the criteria 1) its stupid; 2) there a whole lot of godawful politicians that deserve it too. Better they all get kicked out of office. No one should spend their lifetimes in Congress. thats why we are where we are.

I guess you don't understand what the point or benefit of public service is then. We are where we are right now for a lot of reasons, one of which is people don't understand or appreciate public service, including, often times the sevants themselves. Another of which is some public servants still do. Biden is one of the latter. He made some money as a senator, yup. More than he would have made in the private sphere? Nope.

You call it public service like its a good thing. I call being a sleazy politician.

And therein lies the problem. If our govt, is of, by and for the people, it should probably be made up of by the people. The right seems to think that the govt. is some sort of existential, out there, removed threat. Nope. We are it. Sorry. You sort of have a say and responsibility in the matter. Don't like it, fine, speak up. Like it, fine, speak up. To pretend otherwise is just absconding you own responsibilities in the matter. That is what makes an authoritative human like Trump so appealing to so many--lots of hard decisions, make them up for me.

If you view public service as just sleazy politicians making up rules you have to follow, then you aren't playing the game as the rules were set up. You sort of lost before you had a chance to throw the die. At least take the opportunity to throw those die. They are rounded and won't cut you too deeply. They might be loaded as well. That is why we trust you are there throwing them and checking them. Without you, we are well and truly fethed.

"The right seems..."?

Well... lemme stop you here and elucidate.

THESE politicians work for US!

They're not royalty, experts or deserving of worship or deference.

Simply stated. We're the boss, so act like it.

Let me stop you, these politicians are us. Biden never forgot that. Or to put it another way, we are, or should be the politicians. Nothing is stopping you from organizing a group to get recognition. We are the boss, not like you think in that we have control over them, but in the literal sense. It's not "these politicians work for us" it's these politicians are us. We are the govt.

In the literal sense, you are correct.

However, in practical terms, it's not treated as a "civil service" as you have to be a known quantity before you can even get elected. As such, it's a career platform, rather than an endeavor to "pause your life for the good of your country" thing...

Furthermore, I don't mind Obama granting that medal to Biden, as he can do whatever he wants with that.

My opinion on this whole Biden thing is that he didn't deserve it and the President shouldn't have awarded it. I hold this belief for all previous Presidents who gave the award to the Vice Presidents who served under them. Serving as the President or Vice President of the USA is its own reward - there shouldn't be a medal for it.

Our top officials giving each other awards like this stinks of tin pot nation stuff like Kaddafi who had a ton of awards on his chest, all of which he gave himself.

I don't care which party does it or to whom or for how long it's been going on. It's unbecoming of the office.

In the literal sense is the only sense that makes sense to me. Are some people dissuaded into performing it because it is a hassle and isn't regularly recognized? Sure, which is why I take Frazz's dismissal to heart.

In practical terms it is a hinderance,mwhich is why we should laud, not poo poo it. Being a known quantity is a matter of you yourself making yourself known. Money is an obstacle, but not impossible to overcome. We have op pages in neswspapers--they after the cost of a stamp. We have the right to speak in our city or state legislatures--free with the cost of a fare ride to get there. We have social media, which our current president elect has so graciously provided as an example of how not to use as a campaign platform. (Though how effective it is at getting out supporters). We have no reason, with the tools and resources at our disposal, not to be our own government (the way it was intended) other than laziness and the possible excuse of deniability. It is my own fault I do not participate and engage more. What we do not need is some posters who evidently have not thought it through, even though they have had many years to do so, outright saying that civil service is not to be applauded. It is to be applauded, and thank you, Biden.

 jreilly89 wrote:
Hence why I typically don't vote Republic. Besides, the difference is Pence is cavalier and zealous enough to be able to actually accomplish some of these policies. Look at what he did to his own state.

You mean the part where he went to bat to defend peoples' religious beliefs from assault? And the law defends ALL religious beliefs. So you can't sue the local Indian restaurant for refusing to cater to your local beef slaughterhouse company picnic. Same principle, but since the incident that kicked it off was an LGBTQA couple and a Christian run business, obviously the Christians need to be destroyed and anyone who tries to defend them is Hitler.


For the record, I AM atheist (Well, practice the Kolinahr discipline, but splitting hairs for the leyman) and pro LGBTQA rights, but also acknowledge the right of citizens to practice their religion and live by their beliefs.

Putting lipstick on a pig doesn't make it Kosher.

 Just Tony wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:
Hence why I typically don't vote Republic. Besides, the difference is Pence is cavalier and zealous enough to be able to actually accomplish some of these policies. Look at what he did to his own state.

You mean the part where he went to bat to defend peoples' religious beliefs from assault? And the law defends ALL religious beliefs. So you can't sue the local Indian restaurant for refusing to cater to your local beef slaughterhouse company picnic. Same principle, but since the incident that kicked it off was an LGBTQA couple and a Christian run business, obviously the Christians need to be destroyed and anyone who tries to defend them is Hitler.


For the record, I AM atheist (Well, practice the Kolinahr discipline, but splitting hairs for the leyman) and pro LGBTQA rights, but also acknowledge the right of citizens to practice their religion and live by their beliefs.

Pretty sure the Indian restaurant couldn't legally refuse to cater the local beef slaughterhouse company picnic. The catering still wouldn't include any beef on the menu, though.

 Just Tony wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:
Hence why I typically don't vote Republic. Besides, the difference is Pence is cavalier and zealous enough to be able to actually accomplish some of these policies. Look at what he did to his own state.

You mean the part where he went to bat to defend peoples' religious beliefs from assault? And the law defends ALL religious beliefs. So you can't sue the local Indian restaurant for refusing to cater to your local beef slaughterhouse company picnic. Same principle, but since the incident that kicked it off was an LGBTQA couple and a Christian run business, obviously the Christians need to be destroyed and anyone who tries to defend them is Hitler.


For the record, I AM atheist (Well, practice the Kolinahr discipline, but splitting hairs for the leyman) and pro LGBTQA rights, but also acknowledge the right of citizens to practice their religion and live by their beliefs.

There's a important distinction between a business refusing to provide a service they don't provide to anyone (Hindus refusing to serve beef) and a business refusing to provide a routine service to specific persons (Xtian refusing to cater gay wedding).