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Can't wait to have commercials and product placement on PBS.
I don't see most of that happening. There's a reason it hasn't happened before. Having said that, reduction in the horrific bureaucracy of the federal government would be a good thing.
All the kerfluffle about Trump and the Russians and 17 agencies saying this or that, very few seemed to ask WHY DO WE HAVE SEVENTEEN AGENCIES?
What specific horrific bureaucracy do you want to see gone?
Can't wait to have commercials and product placement on PBS.
I don't see most of that happening. There's a reason it hasn't happened before. Having said that, reduction in the horrific bureaucracy of the federal government would be a good thing.
All the kerfluffle about Trump and the Russians and 17 agencies saying this or that, very few seemed to ask WHY DO WE HAVE SEVENTEEN AGENCIES?
What specific horrific bureaucracy do you want to see gone?
Go to Washington DC. Hand out pink slips to half of everyone employed there. Then hand out pinks slips to half the remaining ones.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Can't wait to have commercials and product placement on PBS.
I don't see most of that happening. There's a reason it hasn't happened before. Having said that, reduction in the horrific bureaucracy of the federal government would be a good thing.
All the kerfluffle about Trump and the Russians and 17 agencies saying this or that, very few seemed to ask WHY DO WE HAVE SEVENTEEN AGENCIES?
What specific horrific bureaucracy do you want to see gone?
Go to Washington DC. Hand out pink slips to half of everyone employed there. Then hand out pinks slips to half the remaining ones.
So you don't have any specific horrific bureaucracy you want to get rid of but would rather turn Washington DC into a new Detroit.
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The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
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Can't wait to have commercials and product placement on PBS.
I don't see most of that happening. There's a reason it hasn't happened before. Having said that, reduction in the horrific bureaucracy of the federal government would be a good thing.
All the kerfluffle about Trump and the Russians and 17 agencies saying this or that, very few seemed to ask WHY DO WE HAVE SEVENTEEN AGENCIES?
What specific horrific bureaucracy do you want to see gone?
Can't wait to have commercials and product placement on PBS.
I don't see most of that happening. There's a reason it hasn't happened before. Having said that, reduction in the horrific bureaucracy of the federal government would be a good thing.
All the kerfluffle about Trump and the Russians and 17 agencies saying this or that, very few seemed to ask WHY DO WE HAVE SEVENTEEN AGENCIES?
What specific horrific bureaucracy do you want to see gone?
Also do we have a list of the 17 agencies?
Yup.
That's 16.
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Can't wait to have commercials and product placement on PBS.
I don't see most of that happening. There's a reason it hasn't happened before. Having said that, reduction in the horrific bureaucracy of the federal government would be a good thing.
All the kerfluffle about Trump and the Russians and 17 agencies saying this or that, very few seemed to ask WHY DO WE HAVE SEVENTEEN AGENCIES?
What specific horrific bureaucracy do you want to see gone?
The "17 intelligence agencies" statement that is constantly parroted is complete fantasy designed to prey upon the ignorant. Does anyone truly believe that the DEA, Coast Guard Intelligence, U.S. Army ISC, Marine Corps Intelligence, etc. all independently investigated the DNC hacks and came to the same conclusions?
Clapper, the USIC DNI, issued a statement. That's what happened - the "17 intelligence agencies" narrative is, and always has been, completely ridiculous. Now, when you understand what those intelligence agencies actually do, it's not unreasonable to have 17 of them.
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Can't wait to have commercials and product placement on PBS.
I don't see most of that happening. There's a reason it hasn't happened before. Having said that, reduction in the horrific bureaucracy of the federal government would be a good thing.
All the kerfluffle about Trump and the Russians and 17 agencies saying this or that, very few seemed to ask WHY DO WE HAVE SEVENTEEN AGENCIES?
What specific horrific bureaucracy do you want to see gone?
The "17 intelligence agencies" statement that is constantly parroted is complete fantasy designed to prey upon the ignorant. Does anyone truly believe that the DEA, Coast Guard Intelligence, U.S. Army ISC, Marine Corps Intelligence, etc. all independently investigated the DNC hacks and came to the same conclusions?
Clapper, the USIC DNI, issued a statement. That's what happened - the "17 intelligence agencies" narrative is, and always has been, completely ridiculous. Now, when you understand what those intelligence agencies actually do, it's not unreasonable to have 17 of them.
Furthermore, the DNI is inherently a political entity... so any announcement from that entity should be met with healthy skepticism.
Can't wait to have commercials and product placement on PBS.
I don't see most of that happening. There's a reason it hasn't happened before. Having said that, reduction in the horrific bureaucracy of the federal government would be a good thing.
All the kerfluffle about Trump and the Russians and 17 agencies saying this or that, very few seemed to ask WHY DO WE HAVE SEVENTEEN AGENCIES?
What specific horrific bureaucracy do you want to see gone?
Go to Washington DC. Hand out pink slips to half of everyone employed there. Then hand out pinks slips to half the remaining ones.
So you don't have any specific horrific bureaucracy you want to get rid of but would rather turn Washington DC into a new Detroit.
Oh I am very specific. I just haven't seen any bureaucracies worthy of not getting a meat cleaver to them. But then again, one of my first jobs was as a hatchetman.
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what those intelligence agencies actually do, it's not unreasonable to have 17 of them.
Sure it is.
Further if there are 17 agencies, then that means sharing of information is...limited in the real world. it violates every organizational management concept known.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
There's a theme amongst all of Trump's picks (Perry, Kennedy, Carson, DeVos, Pruitt, Puzder, Price, etc.). They're all diametrically opposed to the organizations they're supposed to be leading. If I wanted to go full-on loony, tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist here: how does a proto-authoritarian government further convince citizens that certain segments of the government need to be done away with? By placing people who will run those departments into the ground into power.
Wouldn't it be more likely an authoritarian would want to GROW gov't and therefore their power, rather than shrink it?
No, actually. An authoritarian would want to CONCENTRATE power. You know, through the elimination of dissention...like asking for a list of employees working on climate change projects from the DOE. I'm sure it was to tweet them a "Well done!".
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All the ones preventing companies from running business with dirt cheap workers with zero safety precautions obviously. Glorious leader must get more money after all!
All the ones preventing companies from running business with dirt cheap workers with zero safety precautions obviously. Glorious leader must get more money after all!
Quiet you or Trump will make a call and rebels mysteriously dressed like Russian soldiers speaking Russian will appear in your country and take over. Unlike Britain you do not have access to weaponized haggis to protect yourselves, and America can't help because we don't really know where Finland is.
"I'm an AmeriCAN not an AmeriCan't" -Genghis Connie now contemplating the correct color blue for her hair.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Finland has a remarkably good track record when it comes to telling Russia where to stick it.
We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
Further if there are 17 agencies, then that means sharing of information is...limited in the real world. it violates every organizational management concept known.
If the DEA has no intelligence branch, then who at the DEA is managing intelligence sharing?
feeder wrote: Finland has a remarkably good track record when it comes to telling Russia where to stick it.
Of course. But they may have problems with those rebels who mysteriously drive Russian equipment and have the latest antiair defense grids. But they're not Russian.
*Frazzled actually thinks there's about a 50/50 chance this will happen in the Baltics within 2 years. Poland, less so, they are hard core about that Russian involvement thing.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
feeder wrote: Finland has a remarkably good track record when it comes to telling Russia where to stick it.
Of course. But they may have problems with those rebels who mysteriously drive Russian equipment and have the latest antiair defense grids. But they're not Russian.
*Frazzled actually thinks there's about a 50/50 chance this will happen in the Baltics within 2 years. Poland, less so, they are hard core about that Russian involvement thing.
Doubt it fraz...
Rex T'man and Mad Dawg Mattis will at least, encourage Trumpo to make a show of solidarity with NATO countries.
Further if there are 17 agencies, then that means sharing of information is...limited in the real world. it violates every organizational management concept known.
If the DEA has no intelligence branch, then who at the DEA is managing intelligence sharing?
Why does the Drug Enforcement Agency need an intelligence branch? I know during the Cold War we would have gone commie if it weren't for them but that usefulness has passed.
The positive of Trump is that he's kicking over many sacred ant heaps.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
feeder wrote: Finland has a remarkably good track record when it comes to telling Russia where to stick it.
Of course. But they may have problems with those rebels who mysteriously drive Russian equipment and have the latest antiair defense grids. But they're not Russian.
*Frazzled actually thinks there's about a 50/50 chance this will happen in the Baltics within 2 years. Poland, less so, they are hard core about that Russian involvement thing.
I doubt that. Russia will be too busy meddling with our mid-terms...
feeder wrote: Finland has a remarkably good track record when it comes to telling Russia where to stick it.
Of course. But they may have problems with those rebels who mysteriously drive Russian equipment and have the latest antiair defense grids. But they're not Russian.
*Frazzled actually thinks there's about a 50/50 chance this will happen in the Baltics within 2 years. Poland, less so, they are hard core about that Russian involvement thing.
Doubt it fraz...
Rex T'man and Mad Dawg Mattis will at least, encourage Trumpo to make a show of solidarity with NATO countries.
NATO is solid? Remember, they don't necessarily want control, just influence.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Frazzled wrote: Why does the Drug Enforcement Agency need an intelligence branch?
Because we insist that cocaine is bad, and that if we can't have it no one else can.
But that's beside the point. The point of the question was to point out the silliness of suggesting that all these organizations had limited intelligence sharing because there were a lot of them, when the entire point of having so many would be to improve information sharing and analysis. It is in fact the most basic representation of every organizational management concept known. The FBI has to deal with counter-intelligence? Well someone better loop them in on the intelligence networks of national defense so they can actually do that. Need to ensure the secure exchange of information? Well unless you want literally every defense agency bumping into and stumbling over each other constantly, they're going to need a network of agencies to ensure that at least at an upper management level, everyone knows the basics of what everyone else is doing.
The actual problem with US intelligence to me would be that some of these organizations like hiding information anyway, regardless of what they're organizationally supposed to be doing *glares at the CIA*
I expect the CIA is still suffering from the institutional dysfunction created by decades of paranoid rule under Hoover.
We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
feeder wrote: I expect the CIA is still suffering from the institutional dysfunction created by decades of paranoid rule under Hoover.
Hey man. Someone has to spy on Congress to make sure there's no plans to cut the secret budget. I mean honestly. Damn elected officials thinking they can do what what they please.
Paranoidly spying on Americans for unAmerican activity, the real American past time
feeder wrote: I expect the CIA is still suffering from the institutional dysfunction created by decades of paranoid rule under Hoover.
Hey man. Someone has to spy on Congress to make sure there's no plans to cut the secret budget. I mean honestly. Damn elected officials thinking they can do what what they please.
Then, please show me the evidence/justification that the author reached that Perry didn't know about DoE....
I'll wait...
You don't have to wait, just pay attention to Perry's confirmation hearing. His prepared statements (copies of which already leaked) have him admitting he had to be briefed on all the responsibilities of the department to understand how important it is.
I certainly hope every fething appointees get these briefing after accepting the nomination.
To me, that common sense.
Perry could very well end up doing a brilliant job, but it is a warning sign that he didn't know what the job truly entailed to begin with.
IMO, mountains are being made out of this molehill...
Then, please show me the evidence/justification that the author reached that Perry didn't know about DoE....
I'll wait...
You don't have to wait, just pay attention to Perry's confirmation hearing. His prepared statements (copies of which already leaked) have him admitting he had to be briefed on all the responsibilities of the department to understand how important it is.
Perry could very well end up doing a brilliant job, but it is a warning sign that he didn't know what the job truly entailed to begin with.
Thats a nonsensical argument. Few department heads at this level know what the job truly entails.
Indeed.
Guys... save your outrage. Perry is one of those 'uncontroversial' cabinet picks.
Uh, Whembly, YOU were the one with the "outrage" over an article that you claimed had no evidence that Perry didn't know what the DoE does. I merely pointed out that Perry's own prepared statement admits he had to be told everything the DoE does in order for him to realize that it actually is an important agency.
I'm not getting that from the prepared statements I've read... care to point it out?
When he accepted the nomination, he said this on Dec 14th after accepting the nomination:
Don't have time at the moment to search and link on my phone, sorry, but it should be in every article covering his confirmation hearing today, because that's where he said he changed his mind after being told everything the agency does. Logically, if he already knew everything the agency does, he wouldn't have to change his mind after being told everything the agency does.
"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
feeder wrote: Finland has a remarkably good track record when it comes to telling Russia where to stick it.
Of course. But they may have problems with those rebels who mysteriously drive Russian equipment and have the latest antiair defense grids. But they're not Russian.
*Frazzled actually thinks there's about a 50/50 chance this will happen in the Baltics within 2 years. Poland, less so, they are hard core about that Russian involvement thing.
Well that depends on does Trump manage to start a war with Russia. Which albeit wouldn't surprise me. He seems hellbent on sabre ratling.
feeder wrote: Finland has a remarkably good track record when it comes to telling Russia where to stick it.
Of course. But they may have problems with those rebels who mysteriously drive Russian equipment and have the latest antiair defense grids. But they're not Russian.
*Frazzled actually thinks there's about a 50/50 chance this will happen in the Baltics within 2 years. Poland, less so, they are hard core about that Russian involvement thing.
Well that depends on does Trump manage to start a war with Russia. Which albeit wouldn't surprise me. He seems hellbent on sabre ratling.
So...Trump is basically Schrodinger's President? One moment he's being attacked in this thread for being too close and willing to cooperate with Putin, and the next minute he's being attacked for sabre rattling and the possibility that he'll provoke war with Russia.
Make up your minds guys, this thread is difficult enough to follow as it is.
Further if there are 17 agencies, then that means sharing of information is...limited in the real world. it violates every organizational management concept known.
Which ones would you cut? Under what justification?
All of these agencies have drastically different missions and methods.
To address your other post, the DEA's mission statement:
The mission of the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) is to enforce the controlled substances laws and regulations of the United States and bring to the criminal and civil justice system of the United States, or any other competent jurisdiction, those organizations and principal members of organizations, involved in the growing, manufacture, or distribution of controlled substances appearing in or destined for illicit traffic in the United States; and to recommend and support non-enforcement programs aimed at reducing the availability of illicit controlled substances on the domestic and international markets.
That has nothing to do with The Commies (tm). There is some convergence in the missions among agencies. For example, Narcoterrorism is a thing, and is an area where the DEA cooperates with other intelligence agencies. That said, fighting foreign wars is not the DEA's mission, nor does it make sense for the CIA to maintain personnel with expertise in DEA-specific missions.
I think you're a bit far out of your lane Frazz - understanding why we need these things requires knowing what they bring to the table in terms of specific capabilities for their particular missions. I don't particularly care about the DEA's mission, but if the War On Drugs (tm) is a thing, they need an intelligence agency.
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feeder wrote: Finland has a remarkably good track record when it comes to telling Russia where to stick it.
Of course. But they may have problems with those rebels who mysteriously drive Russian equipment and have the latest antiair defense grids. But they're not Russian.
*Frazzled actually thinks there's about a 50/50 chance this will happen in the Baltics within 2 years. Poland, less so, they are hard core about that Russian involvement thing.
Well that depends on does Trump manage to start a war with Russia. Which albeit wouldn't surprise me. He seems hellbent on sabre ratling.
So...Trump is basically Schrodinger's President? One moment he's being attacked in this thread for being too close and willing to cooperate with Putin, and the next minute he's being attacked for sabre rattling and the possibility that he'll provoke war with Russia.
Make up your minds guys, this thread is difficult enough to follow as it is.
We've seen Trump go from amiable to vitriolic when it seems like someone or some group isn't willing to bend the knee. And we've see him go the other way when someone decides to kiss the ring. So what happens when the lovey-dovey relationship between Trump and Putin cools, especially if Russia continues to push their influence abroad?
Then again, I happen to think Trump trying to sabre-rattle with Russia would be a very big pisstake.
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Frazzled wrote: Why does the Drug Enforcement Agency need an intelligence branch?
Because we insist that cocaine is bad, and that if we can't have it no one else can.
Thats not an answer. Thats a crime. There's no need for an intelligence unit for that. There's no need for the DEA to be involved whatsoever.
Try again.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
All the ones preventing companies from running business with dirt cheap workers with zero safety precautions obviously. Glorious leader must get more money after all!
feeder wrote: Finland has a remarkably good track record when it comes to telling Russia where to stick it.
Of course. But they may have problems with those rebels who mysteriously drive Russian equipment and have the latest antiair defense grids. But they're not Russian.
*Frazzled actually thinks there's about a 50/50 chance this will happen in the Baltics within 2 years. Poland, less so, they are hard core about that Russian involvement thing.
Well that depends on does Trump manage to start a war with Russia. Which albeit wouldn't surprise me. He seems hellbent on sabre ratling.
So...Trump is basically Schrodinger's President? One moment he's being attacked in this thread for being too close and willing to cooperate with Putin, and the next minute he's being attacked for sabre rattling and the possibility that he'll provoke war with Russia.
Make up your minds guys, this thread is difficult enough to follow as it is.
nah... the best thing you can say about Trump is that he's a doofus... and he praises anyone who kisses his ass.
It's not any deeper than that.
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but that usefulness has passed.
