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LordofHats wrote: Just remember. The real victim is Trump. How dare people vote against him. Obviously they're all just cheaters.
Clearly, they are just angry liberals, trying to devalue the trump.
Remember the liberals are just jobless angry people with no education whatsoever, and my oh my did you see how many people were at trumps election? recording breaking I heard billions of people attended and watched him. Even god cried tears as our dear furherdictatorgod christ reborn president was born and made a new holiday of his new appointment!
From whom are unforgiven we bring the mercy of war.
A holiday that can never be celebrated, because he felt the need to attach a year to it just so we all know we're celebrating Trump specifically and not just the presidential changeover.
If we have to suffer through what his brain farts out, can we at least get it in Bill the Cat's body? At least then he'd be able to play a sweet electric tongue.
Spinner wrote: A holiday that can never be celebrated, because he felt the need to attach a year to it just so we all know we're celebrating Trump specifically and not just the presidential changeover.
If we have to suffer through what his brain farts out, can we at least get it in Bill the Cat's body? At least then he'd be able to play a sweet electric tongue.
Sir, you seem to be lacking in P A T R I O T I S M.
Spinner wrote: A holiday that can never be celebrated, because he felt the need to attach a year to it just so we all know we're celebrating Trump specifically and not just the presidential changeover.
If we have to suffer through what his brain farts out, can we at least get it in Bill the Cat's body? At least then he'd be able to play a sweet electric tongue.
Sir, you seem to be lacking in P A T R I O T I S M.
Wait, so the state is telling people they're not allowed to talk to someone? Where's the free speech brigade?
Too busy white knighting for literal fething Nazis.
We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
Spinner wrote: A holiday that can never be celebrated, because he felt the need to attach a year to it just so we all know we're celebrating Trump specifically and not just the presidential changeover.
If we have to suffer through what his brain farts out, can we at least get it in Bill the Cat's body? At least then he'd be able to play a sweet electric tongue.
To be fair to Trump, presidents can only declare on-off "holidays". Only congress can create annual holidays.
Pryor appeared to have an edge because he is a protege of Sen. Jeff Sessions, Trump’s choice for U.S. attorney general. Pryor has been an outspoken critic of abortion rights and gay rights, which won him admirers on the right, but also made him a target for liberals and Democrats. He once described the Roe vs. Wade decision as “the worst abomination in the history of constitutional law.”
I see the party of small government strikes again!
The joke that is Roe v Wade is not small government but bad law.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Spinner wrote: A holiday that can never be celebrated, because he felt the need to attach a year to it just so we all know we're celebrating Trump specifically and not just the presidential changeover.
If we have to suffer through what his brain farts out, can we at least get it in Bill the Cat's body? At least then he'd be able to play a sweet electric tongue.
To be fair to Trump
No.
More seriously, if he wanted it to be less of a joke, he could have picked a date that wasn't four days earlier than the release of the document declaring the 'Day of Patriotism'. It's not like he couldn't have still made it all about him. The day he was selected as a candidate, his birthday, the anniversary of his third marriage, the last time he paid taxes, something.
More seriously, if he wanted it to be less of a joke, he could have picked a date that wasn't four days earlier than the release of the document declaring the 'Day of Patriotism'. It's not like he couldn't have still made it all about him. The day he was selected as a candidate, his birthday, the anniversary of his third marriage, the last time he paid taxes, something.
I'd honestly question if Trump even understands the President can't declare an annual holiday. For all we know the White House lawyers who wrote that up just nodded through the entire conversation.
Wait, so the state is telling people they're not allowed to talk to someone? Where's the free speech brigade?
It's not a free speech issue it's a matter of job duties per your employer whom you willingly choose to work for. Your employer has the authority to determine who represents them to the media. I can't speak to the media about my employer or as a representative of the company we have a marketing dept/or person for that. EPA employees can still speak to the media just not in regards to the EPA or in an offfical capacity as an EPA employee/representative. Same with social media they can post what they want just not about their employer. I would think that every employer has a company policy regarding how employees represent the employer on social media and people get fired over tweets, posts, etc that make the company look bad all the time. I've voiced my displeasure in seeing companies cave to pressure from online outrage over statements from employees that are pretty clear to be personal views not official or unofficial company positions but it's not illegal.
Hey everyone lets play a game of spot the dictator!
Alrighty so Trump has successfully done the following:
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
Alrighty so Trump has successfully done the following:
Spoiler:
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
Oh I heard we are also pulling out of the UN as well!
You do realize that those characteristics are general enough that most of them can be checked off for every president we've had in my lifetime from Carter through Obama, right?
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Wait, so the state is telling people they're not allowed to talk to someone? Where's the free speech brigade?
Too busy white knighting for literal fething Nazis.
We're going to lose our ability to post freely in this thread if we ignore mod warnings, dude.
Sorry, eh. Trying to lighten the tone. That's why I put the emorkicon in there.
We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
So, it's worth pointing out with Trump Day, that previous presidents have done the same, since H.W. Bush:
H.W. Bush - "National Day of Prayer and Thanksgiving", 1989 Clinton - "National Day of Fellowship and Hope", 1993, National Day of Hope and Renewal", 1997. G.W. Bush - "National Day of Prayer and Thanksgiving", 2001. (He did want to be just like Daddy, didn't he?) Obama - "National Day of Reconciliation and Renewal", 2009, "National Day of Hope and Resolve" 2013.
So while not so self-aggrandizing, Trump's proclamation of a "National Day of Patriotic Devotion" seems to lack the humility and tact of previous presidents.
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Alrighty so Trump has successfully done the following:
Spoiler:
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
Oh I heard we are also pulling out of the UN as well!
You do realize that those characteristics are general enough that most of them can be checked off for every president we've had in my lifetime from Carter through Obama, right?
Wait, so the state is telling people they're not allowed to talk to someone? Where's the free speech brigade?
It's not a free speech issue it's a matter of job duties per your employer whom you willingly choose to work for. Your employer has the authority to determine who represents them to the media. I can't speak to the media about my employer or as a representative of the company we have a marketing dept/or person for that. EPA employees can still speak to the media just not in regards to the EPA or in an offfical capacity as an EPA employee/representative. Same with social media they can post what they want just not about their employer. I would think that every employer has a company policy regarding how employees represent the employer on social media and people get fired over tweets, posts, etc that make the company look bad all the time. I've voiced my displeasure in seeing companies cave to pressure from online outrage over statements from employees that are pretty clear to be personal views not official or unofficial company positions but it's not illegal.
Agreed. I'm surprised they had that ability in the first place, especially given the previous administration's attempts to put leakers...in prison.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
infinite_array wrote: So, it's worth pointing out with Trump Day, that previous presidents have done the same, since H.W. Bush:
H.W. Bush - "National Day of Prayer and Thanksgiving", 1989
Clinton - "National Day of Fellowship and Hope", 1993, National Day of Hope and Renewal", 1997.
G.W. Bush - "National Day of Prayer and Thanksgiving", 2001. (He did want to be just like Daddy, didn't he?)
Obama - "National Day of Reconciliation and Renewal", 2009, "National Day of Hope and Resolve" 2013.
So while not so self-aggrandizing, Trump's proclamation of a "National Day of Patriotic Devotion" seems to lack the humility and tact of previous presidents.
When the Wienie Party takes control in 2020, the following holidays will immediately be enacted.
*Chase Cat Day
*Eat Steak Until You Puke Day
*Nap On Sofa Day*
*(thats the other 363 days of the year)
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Agreed. I'm surprised they had that ability in the first place, especially given the previous administration's attempts to put leakers...in prison.
The previous administration didn't have environmental policies which fly in the face of the scientific evidence, and so would therefore have nothing to fear from what the EPA would be communicating to the press.
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The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
Got it. So trying to put people in prison didn't extend to them.
As noted they can likely only be fired, which is way better.
Here's some other guys who liked national days of Patriotic Devotion:
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Agreed. I'm surprised they had that ability in the first place, especially given the previous administration's attempts to put leakers...in prison.
The previous administration didn't have environmental policies which fly in the face of the scientific evidence, and so would therefore have nothing to fear from what the EPA would be communicating to the press.
After all, this is about a government organization not even being allowed to communicate with the public on non-classified information. Not about an administration prosecuting leakers of classified information. The two things are nothing alike.
Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote: Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote: Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
BaronIveagh wrote: Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
You're right. One is common practice so that people don't misrepresent their employer. The other was the Obama Administration trying to try leakers...and wiretap reporters s co-conspirators.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!