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 Kilkrazy wrote:
I don't think that is how his supporters will see things. A lot of them already accepted the "Wall" as a purely symbolic concept, not a practical project.


"So why did you vote for this guy?"

"Well, he wants to build a symbolic wall."

"You mean Trump promised you nothing, and yet you still voted for him."

"But it's a symbolic nothing!"

And this, kids, is why the republican party is a dysfunctional mess. Try to do better in 2020.

There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. 
   
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A majority of the wall is actually made from tin siding. With a pair of tin snips you can cut a whole in it larger enough to crawl through in under two minutes.

I don't support a physical wall (in most areas), as I see it as a colossal waste of money. However, increased use of hidden infrared cameras, motion sensors, and physical patrols is something that is needed. Also leadership that DOESN'T actively ignore private call-ins about border crossings. Many of those Minutemen border watchers seem racist, but that doesn't make their reports false and they are free sets of eyes.
   
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 Kilkrazy wrote:


I don't think that is how his supporters will see things. A lot of them already accepted the "Wall" as a purely symbolic concept, not a practical project.


As someone who is surrounded by Trump supporters daily, they don't think anything symbolic about it. They want a literal wall (or maybe Trump supporters are just crazier in PA).

   
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 Peregrine wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
I don't think that is how his supporters will see things. A lot of them already accepted the "Wall" as a purely symbolic concept, not a practical project.


"So why did you vote for this guy?"

"Well, he wants to build a symbolic wall."

"You mean Trump promised you nothing, and yet you still voted for him."

"But it's a symbolic nothing!"

And this, kids, is why the republican party is a dysfunctional mess. Try to do better in 2020.


Terry Pratchett wrote something which came to mind in Diggers:
Spoiler:
Nisodemus was explaining his plan. As he listened, Dorcas's mouth slowly dropped open.

It was magnificent in its way, that plan. It was like a machine where every single part was perfectly made, but had been put together by a one-handed nome in the dark. It was crammed full of good ideas which you couldn't sensibly argue with, but they had been turned upside down. The trouble was, they were still ones you couldn't sensibly argue with, because the basically good idea was still in there somewhere.

Nisodemus wanted to rebuild the Store.

The nomes stood in horrified admiration as the Stationeri explained that, yes, Abbot Gurder bad been right, when they left the Store they had taken Arnold Bros. (est. 1905) with them inside their heads. And, if they could show him that they really cared about the Store, he would come out again and put a stop to all these problems and reestablish the Store here, in this green unpleasant land.

That was how it all arrived in Dorcas's head, anyway. He'd long ago decided that if you spent all your time listening to what people actually said you'd never have time to work out what they meant.

But it wouldn't mean building the whole Store, said Nisodemus, his eyes shining like two bright black marbles. They could change the quarry in other ways. Go back to living in proper Departments instead of any old how all over the place. Put up some signs. Get back to the Good Old Ways. Make Arnold Bros. (est. 1905) feel at home. Build the Store inside their heads.


Really it seems to describe the workings of the Republican party as a whole, who have spent so long building their own America in their heads in which Obama was the worst person ever (and that Clinton was even worse than him) that they don't know how to get back out into the real world or even that it exists.

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 LordofHats wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:


I don't think that is how his supporters will see things. A lot of them already accepted the "Wall" as a purely symbolic concept, not a practical project.


As someone who is surrounded by Trump supporters daily, they don't think anything symbolic about it. They want a literal wall (or maybe Trump supporters are just crazier in PA).


They will either get a real fake wall, like his Inauguration Ball Cake, or they will get Trump's finger pointed at someone other than himself to blame for the failure.

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 LordofHats wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:


I don't think that is how his supporters will see things. A lot of them already accepted the "Wall" as a purely symbolic concept, not a practical project.


As someone who is surrounded by Trump supporters daily, they don't think anything symbolic about it. They want a literal wall (or maybe Trump supporters are just crazier in PA).
I can affirm that it is the same with Trump supporters in suburban Northern Virginia.

They really want a fething wall.

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If Trump and his supporters want a 2017 version of the Maginot Line, then they should get what they want.

If it places a heavy burden on the shoulders of the American tax payer, then so be it - that's what they voted for.

I hope they have the good grace not to moan if it all goes wrong.

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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

If it places a heavy burden on the shoulders of the American tax payer, then so be it - that's what they voted for.


What they voted for was a pipe dream. What they'll get is a crushing dose of reality that I assume they will ignore because why stop now?

   
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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
If Trump and his supporters want a 2017 version of the Maginot Line, then they should get what they want.

If it places a heavy burden on the shoulders of the American tax payer, then so be it - that's what they voted for.

I hope they have the good grace not to moan if it all goes wrong.


Ah but they also voted for Mexico to pay for it!

This is going to be such a mess. Trump orders up build of wall before any talks with Mexico about the payment Wonder what Trump says when Mexico says "no" and wall is half built

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 LordofHats wrote:
 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

If it places a heavy burden on the shoulders of the American tax payer, then so be it - that's what they voted for.


What they voted for was a pipe dream. What they'll get is a crushing dose of reality that I assume they will ignore because why stop now?


You call it crushing dose of reality.

Non -Americans like me call it comedy gold


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tneva82 wrote:
 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
If Trump and his supporters want a 2017 version of the Maginot Line, then they should get what they want.

If it places a heavy burden on the shoulders of the American tax payer, then so be it - that's what they voted for.

I hope they have the good grace not to moan if it all goes wrong.


Ah but they also voted for Mexico to pay for it!

This is going to be such a mess. Trump orders up build of wall before any talks with Mexico about the payment Wonder what Trump says when Mexico says "no" and wall is half built


I'm also looking forward to Mexico's reaction

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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I'm also looking forward to Mexico's reaction


Nah that's nothing compared to the gold that's Trump's reaction to Mexico's reaction.

Well unless he reacts by ordering military invasion of Mexico to get the money by force.

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It's been a long time since the USA had a good building project.

One of my particular fascinations with Washington DC and it's wide boulevards, is that it looks as though it were designed to be able to allow the government to machine gun protestors from fortified strongpoints.

I suspect Trump's wall may incorporate similar design features.


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tneva82 wrote:
 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I'm also looking forward to Mexico's reaction


Nah that's nothing compared to the gold that's Trump's reaction to Mexico's reaction.

Well unless he reacts by ordering military invasion of Mexico to get the money by force.


If Trump wants to attack Mexicans, he'd have to invade California, Texas, and Arizona

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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:


You call it crushing dose of reality.

Non -Americans like me call it comedy gold


Oh I call it comedy gold too, it's just the very dark kind of comedy.

   
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First Spicer question goes to Lifezette .




ran by Laura Ingraham




oh with regards to voter fraud :

http://www.michigan.gov/documents/sos/Objection_to_Recount_Petition_544089_7.pdf



so that'd be another lie whichever version is true.

Good times.

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So the health benefits that don't need to be covered is 'everything for women, most of the stuff for men'?

Oh, America.

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 cuda1179 wrote:
I don't support a physical wall (in most areas), as I see it as a colossal waste of money. However, increased use of hidden infrared cameras, motion sensors, and physical patrols is something that is needed.


Surveillance and patrols are the 21st century solution yeah. Trump's wall makes me think he would have better ruling Constantinople back in the day.

But the bigger issue is that fixation on the Mexican border is worrying about an issue that started solving itself about a decade ago. Illegal immigration from Mexico has been declining for ten years, while people voluntarily returning to Mexico has been increasing. The growing area of people in the US without valid visas is Asia, people on student and short term visas who overstay, often by years.

But this is the modern Republican party. Border control became a great rallying cause, so they set themselves to solve it whether it needed solving or not.

“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”

Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something. 
   
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Wishing I was back at the South Atlantic, closer to ice than the sun

Every time I come into this thread, it never fails to astound me as to what's happening to the US.

Government Depts not allowed to provide information, 'alternative facts', disrespectful behaviour infront of a monument to the sacrifice of others in service to the country. Bussing in 'cheerleaders' to clap and cheer his every word.

I keep expecting to see that there is a new head of public relations had been appointed by the name of Delores Umbridge, who has a new quill pen ready for all the journalists to use at the next press conference.

It would all be so laughable is the US didn't have such a large impact on the world.

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 sebster wrote:
 cuda1179 wrote:
I don't support a physical wall (in most areas), as I see it as a colossal waste of money. However, increased use of hidden infrared cameras, motion sensors, and physical patrols is something that is needed.


Surveillance and patrols are the 21st century solution yeah. Trump's wall makes me think he would have better ruling Constantinople back in the day.

But the bigger issue is that fixation on the Mexican border is worrying about an issue that started solving itself about a decade ago. Illegal immigration from Mexico has been declining for ten years, while people voluntarily returning to Mexico has been increasing. The growing area of people in the US without valid visas is Asia, people on student and short term visas who overstay, often by years.

But this is the modern Republican party. Border control became a great rallying cause, so they set themselves to solve it whether it needed solving or not.


Well, the Republicans have turned a blind eye to Asian and eastern European immigration issues for years and only seem to worry about Mexican and Muslim immigration. But totally not racist.

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 Crazyterran wrote:
So the health benefits that don't need to be covered is 'everything for women, most of the stuff for men'?

Oh, America.


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Durable medical Equipment? You mean like Diabetes supplies? I heard that was kind of a big deal in the US lately.

Meh, let them die. Just ask Libertarians such as Ron Paul.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-exclusive-idUSKBN1582XQ?il=0

Finally, some common sense (tm) immigration reform. Curious to see what else this entails.

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 LordofHats wrote:

So after 8 years of "Obama will declare martial law", Trump
Now promises to send federal troops to takeover Chicago?


I'm not seeing enough flag waving here D. Don't make me report you to the Trumpstapo.

I'll admit, that's looks bad and very dangerous phrasing...

But, he's ambiguous about this... he said "we'll send the Feds in..."

So... wtf does that mean?

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 sebster wrote:


But the bigger issue is that fixation on the Mexican border is worrying about an issue that started solving itself about a decade ago. Illegal immigration from Mexico has been declining for ten years, while people voluntarily returning to Mexico has been increasing.


You're ignoring illegal immigration THROUGH (not from) Mexico.

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 A Town Called Malus wrote:
 Crazyterran wrote:
So the health benefits that don't need to be covered is 'everything for women, most of the stuff for men'?

Oh, America.


Hearing aids for under 18s:

What's that kids? You can't hear your teacher/parents? Well what could you possibly need to hear them for?

My hearing aids were never covered by insurance... I mean that from the day I needed them when I was 3 till now (I'm 39 yo).

Surprisingly, cochlear implants are...


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I'm sure it's entirely coincidental that Fox ran a story about Chicago crime and then... oh look Trump starts tweeting about it.

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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
True, Congress needs to give the green light to funding, but seeing that it's in the hands of the GOP, I shouldn't think that would be a problem.

Trump can, via shifted DHS funds, "prime the pump" to get the wall projected started. But, yeah... Congress will need to pass a appropriation bill to fund the wall and expansion of Border Security/Border Techs.

Plus, Trump has a few billion stashed away. He could probably build it with his own cash

I have no idea if the US constitution allows a president to fund something with their own money

Nothing stopping him from using us money... but, that's only *if* he has a few billion stashed away.

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I've dabbled in media studies over the years, and one of the best lessons I can remember is to look at what the news ISN'T telling you.

Looking at Trump's proposals to vet immigrants from certain nations associated with terrorism, I was reminded of this lesson.

If, say, for example, a country was the source of the bombers that planned and executed the biggest terrorist attack in history on American soil, you would think they would be on Trump's list.

If that same country was funding ISIL, a group that Trump has vowed to wipe out, a reasonable man would assume that the same nation would again be on that list.

I hope I'm not the only person to notice this massive elephant in the room that is shaped like a particular Middle Eastern country

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 whembly wrote:

Plus, Trump has a few billion stashed away. He could probably build it with his own cash

I have no idea if the US constitution allows a president to fund something with their own money

Nothing stopping him from using us money... but, that's only *if* he has a few billion stashed away.


Well he surely have more than a few billion stashed away by the end of his presidency. Politics can do wonders for one's bank account...
   
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 Easy E wrote:
Durable medical Equipment? You mean like Diabetes supplies? I heard that was kind of a big deal in the US lately.

Meh, let them die. Just ask Libertarians such as Ron Paul.


My guess is this refers less to diabetes supplies, as the majority of those are expendable (you use a needle once and put it in the sharp container), and more to things such as a C-PAP machine, or something like oxygen tanks and whanot.

If you look again, Diabetes is specifically listed as its own special thing
   
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 whembly wrote:
 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
True, Congress needs to give the green light to funding, but seeing that it's in the hands of the GOP, I shouldn't think that would be a problem.

Trump can, via shifted DHS funds, "prime the pump" to get the wall projected started. But, yeah... Congress will need to pass a appropriation bill to fund the wall and expansion of Border Security/Border Techs.

Plus, Trump has a few billion stashed away. He could probably build it with his own cash

I have no idea if the US constitution allows a president to fund something with their own money

Nothing stopping him from using us money... but, that's only *if* he has a few billion stashed away.


So the political support is there, the funding is there, and the will is there.

Let's build that mutha fether!

In 1 - 2 years time, I expect to be reading headlines about illegal immigrants involved in the construction process.

You know it;s going to happen

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