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Kilkrazy wrote: What will happen when Trump's voting fraud enquiry report shows there wasn't any significant voting fraud?
Alternate facts.
We're talking about a party that has come to treat contrary information as suspect by its very nature, with a major section of its constituency so drunk on the kool-aid it'll believe literally anything so long as the words "God bless America" and "America first" are uttered somewhere in the speech. Trump either doesn't care that something isn't real, or he is incapable of realizing what is (both are equally bad for the rest of us). There's already rumor that the administration plans to purge government workers who have ever done anything related to Climate Change.
This is not an administration that gives a damn what is or isn't true.
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Finally, some common sense (tm) immigration reform. Curious to see what else this entails.
A suspension of visas for several months is meaningless when the existing vetting process takes close to a year.
"Hey, person who won't be able to come in to country for 9 months while we vet your application, you can't come in to the country for 4 months."
It will have its desired political effect, because people who are very concerned about refugee terrorism and people who don't know how things work are very tightly correlated groups.
The only question is whether Trump knows this is nonsense but is conning voters, or whether he is also clueless and this is his advisors conning him.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
sebster wrote:The only question is whether Trump knows this is nonsense but is conning voters, or whether he is also clueless and this is his advisors conning him.
I'm honestly starting to question this myself. This guy is too damn stupid to have run the campaign we saw last year, let alone have any real impute.
Kilkrazy wrote:Won't the public care?
Surely there is a point at which Republican supporters are going to be sickened by the cheating, the lies and the cognitive dissonance.
I once thought there would be a breaking point, but I now know that isn't true. Take my coworkers for example. The weeks before the election half of them were seething balls of fury. "How dare Clinton betray the country. Damn liberals. feth <insert racial slur for Hispanics>. If Trump doesn't win it's a con."
The very next day, no one even talked about the election. Not one word. No, cause see it's football season and that's what really matters. Now it's "how dare Brady cheat. Damn patriots. feth Patton Manning. If the Steelers don't win it's cause the Patriots cheated again." They didn't even talk about the inauguration, transition, Congressional hearings for appointees, or anything. The only comment I've overheard is about that stupid wall. There is an element of the Republican* constituency that only tunes into politics to score one for the team, and then tunes out once the point is won. Four years from now they'll just say Trump did a great job without knowing anything he did or didn't do.
*I would suspect this is true of the Democrats as well in some other way, I've just never seen it on display.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
I think not insulting Trump is going to be so challenging by the end of the first quarter that if Germany didn't abolish that law the prisons would be filled before the year was done
CptJake wrote: You're ignoring illegal immigration THROUGH (not from) Mexico.
I'm not ignoring it, I'm treating it as irrelevant to the construction of a wall on the Mexican border, because it is irrelevant to the construction of a wall across Mexico. If a person is going to cross multiple borders to reach Mexico and then cross in to the US, you think going they're to give up if there's a wall in the way. That is laughable. They'll just redirect through alternate routs.
Meanwhile, you're still ignoring all the growth in illegal immigration is Asian. Imagine the $40b for this stupid wall redirected to fund active policing. Following up on visa overstays. Active policing of companies hiring illegal workers. Actual useful stuff. Even that would be way down the list on ways to best spend $40b, but miles ahead of this stupid wall.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
I am sure Trump would agree that freedom of speech is a great thing, really great, the best. Lots of people from all over the country, all over the world, the best people, the forgotten people, but we remember them and celebrate this decision on National Parrotism Day.
Surely there is a point at which Republican supporters are going to be sickened by the cheating, the lies and the cognitive dissonance.
I've been waiting about 20 years. But the Republican party keeps hitting new lows, and the base keeps finding ways to excuse it. I remember when Newt Gingrich was seen as a horrible low in US politics. Now a return to Gingrich style bs would be such an amazing improvement.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
LordofHats wrote: Four years from now they'll just say Trump did a great job without knowing anything he did or didn't do.
Yeah, I hear from my coworkers about how Obama was the worst president of all time, and yet when asked why they think that, I don't ever really get a straight answer (except from the one super racist guy, his answer is "because he's a n****r," but this is the same guy who uses Stromfront as his primary news source).
Inauguration Day was a scheduled day off for me so I'm not sure what they really talked about, but there wasn't a lot of discussion about it in the days prior. When the topic did come up, the recurring theme was how "the liberals" were all "crazy" and were going to attack DC or possibly attempt to assassinate Trump (seriously). This was mainly fostered by the guy who spends all day reading Breitbart (and is not the guy that reads Stormfront).
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Kilkrazy wrote: Surely there is a point at which Republican supporters are going to be sickened by the cheating, the lies and the cognitive dissonance.
I doubt it. If Trump didn't already do it then I don't think anything will. 60 million people looked at Trump, knowing everything we know now, and said "this man should be president". That's simply the state of the republican party in 2017, a dysfunctional mess that is incapable of being anything else.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
You People Made Me Give Up My Peanut Farm Before I Got To Be President
For generations, U.S. presidents have gone to great lengths to avoid potential conflicts of interest. When I was elected, I followed suit by placing my small business in a blind trust to assure our citizens that I would always put the country’s interests ahead of my own. It’s a vital presidential tradition. That’s why I find it a bit curious that our new commander-in-chief has been allowed to ignore it.
For Christ’s sake, you people made me get rid of my peanut farm before you let me be president.
I grew up on that farm. When my father died, I moved back home and worked those fields with my own two hands to keep it afloat. It was a hard job, but it was so rewarding. It wasn’t just a business—it was the place I called home. Letting go of the family farm was one of the hardest things I’ve ever had to do, but I did it because the American people asked me to. I did it for their sake, without enthusiasm, but also without hesitation.
Boy, times sure have changed, haven’t they? I couldn’t help but notice that the current occupant of the White House owns more than 500 companies, has business interests across the Middle East and Asia, and owes hundreds of millions of dollars to banks he is now responsible for regulating. It seems a touch unfair that a bigger fuss was made about my little peanut operation than all his office towers, hotels, and golf courses combined. All I had was a farm, you know? A small, precious farm.
Seriously, it was just a few fields and a warehouse, and you idiots still appointed a special prosecutor and spent six months investigating it.
Not a day goes by when I don’t think about what life would be like if I still had my peanut farm. I miss it so much. I miss feeling the sun on my face. I miss the earth in my hands. Sometimes, I’d go out to the fields before dawn. I’d watch the sun come up, watch it cast golden light on my plants, row by row. It was so calm; so quiet. Those were some of the best days of my life. It sure would’ve been nice to live out the rest of my years there, but I had to do what was right. I suppose only some of us have to.
God, I loved that peanut farm!
And where were my conflicts of interest, exactly? Seriously, do enlighten me, America, because I honestly have no idea. Did you worry I might be cutting deals in back rooms with the peanut butter lobby? Or that I might be too busy at harvest time to focus on the economy or the Middle East? Apparently, you did, and almost obsessively. Meanwhile, your new president holds a lease from the federal government to operate a $200 million hotel six blocks from the White House. I mean, come on!
Maybe I’m just a sucker. Apparently, all I needed to do was hand off control of the farm to my family. If I’d staged an elaborate song and dance about distancing myself—whatever that means—from all the day-to-day planting, picking, and salting, maybe I could have kept my peanut farm with the full blessing of you, the American people.
Besides, that peanut farm would probably be worth $200 million today, easy.
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The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
Our Prime Minister arrives in the USA for talks with Trump.
For American dakka members who have no knowledge of her, she likes too:
lock people up without trial
is in favour of spying on the British population with mass surveillance
And puts borderline racist messages on the sides of vans to get illegal immigrants to go home, even though her department, which was tasked with capping immigration, failed year after year.
In other words, she'll probably get on fine with Trump.
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Kilkrazy wrote: The reason why Trump won wasn't people voting for him, it was people not voting for Clinton.
Two years of this kind of bs might energise the Democrat base even though it may not turn off Republicans.
The Democrat base is fine. It's the Democrat top brass who are the problem, as the election clearly showed.
Kilkrazy wrote: Surely there is a point at which Republican supporters are going to be sickened by the cheating, the lies and the cognitive dissonance.
I doubt it. If Trump didn't already do it then I don't think anything will. 60 million people looked at Trump, knowing everything we know now, and said "this man should be president". That's simply the state of the republican party in 2017, a dysfunctional mess that is incapable of being anything else.
Sadly, every nation gets the democracy and the political parties it deserves.
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"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Kilkrazy wrote: What will happen when Trump's voting fraud enquiry report shows there wasn't any significant voting fraud?
Same as he always does. He will either dismiss it as being wrong and attack the people who produced it as being against him, or he will read it in a way, or only be given facts that, will totally justify his world view (see crowds at his inauguration). For example, it will almost certainly have some sort of voter fraud. Even the best system has some sort of attempt by someone. He will latch on to them finding 10 cases in one district as proof.
insaniak wrote: Sometimes, Exterminatus is the only option.
And sometimes, it's just a case of too much scotch combined with too many buttons...
Does not bode well for the future of the internet, we may have to get ready to say "hello" to fee-based performance based on the type of traffic or content and bandwidth shaping of traffic your ISP doesn't like.
EDIT: also, in bizarro world, Trump ends up defending Obama in a roundabout way on Twitter by directly attacking Manning over an op-ed piece where Manning posits that Obama attempted to compromise too much against obstructionist opponents and didn't get as much done as a result.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38760552
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Our Prime Minister arrives in the USA for talks with Trump.
For American dakka members who have no knowledge of her, she likes too:
lock people up without trial
is in favour of spying on the British population with mass surveillance
And puts borderline racist messages on the sides of vans to get illegal immigrants to go home, even though her department, which was tasked with capping immigration, failed year after year.
In other words, she'll probably get on fine with Trump.
Not bad.
But I'm not sure whether he will like Merkel. I guess not.
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EDIT: also, in bizarro world, Trump ends up defending Obama in a roundabout way on Twitter by directly attacking Manning over an op-ed piece where Manning posits that Obama attempted to compromise too much against obstructionist opponents and didn't get as much done as a result. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38760552
So, not only is he lying about what Manning wrote, but Trump's proven that he's getting his information and opinions directly from watching Fox News, broadcasting it on Twitter, and possible making policy decisions.
It's like a insane black hole of hyper-conservative stupidity.
Oh, we are so fethed.
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Trump administration has informed the Palestinian Authority that it is freezing the transfer of $221 million which was quietly authorized by the Obama administration in its final hours on January 20, a senior Palestinian source has told The Times of Israel.
Hopefully this is just the beginning of a broader change in policy.
CptJake wrote: You're ignoring illegal immigration THROUGH (not from) Mexico.
I'm not ignoring it, I'm treating it as irrelevant to the construction of a wall on the Mexican border, because it is irrelevant to the construction of a wall across Mexico. If a person is going to cross multiple borders to reach Mexico and then cross in to the US, you think going they're to give up if there's a wall in the way. That is laughable. They'll just redirect through alternate routs.
Meanwhile, you're still ignoring all the growth in illegal immigration is Asian. Imagine the $40b for this stupid wall redirected to fund active policing. Following up on visa overstays. Active policing of companies hiring illegal workers. Actual useful stuff. Even that would be way down the list on ways to best spend $40b, but miles ahead of this stupid wall.
If Mexico stops aiding folks from further south (they tightly control who passes through and aid in their passing) because there is not an easy way to pass them through, a lot of it stops at Mexico's southern border.
And your Asia point is borderline silly. Illegal immigrants from our south may be declining, and from Asia may be increasing (generally visa overstays), but the NUMBERS from each are still significantly different. Add Mexico to South and Central American nations and you have many times the total from Asian nations, and it isn't even close.
Our Prime Minister arrives in the USA for talks with Trump.
For American dakka members who have no knowledge of her, she likes too:
lock people up without trial
is in favour of spying on the British population with mass surveillance
And puts borderline racist messages on the sides of vans to get illegal immigrants to go home, even though her department, which was tasked with capping immigration, failed year after year.
In other words, she'll probably get on fine with Trump.
Not bad.
But I'm not sure whether he will like Merkel. I guess not.
If Merkel has any sense, she'll delay meeting Trump for as long as possible.
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
CptJake wrote: You're ignoring illegal immigration THROUGH (not from) Mexico.
I'm not ignoring it, I'm treating it as irrelevant to the construction of a wall on the Mexican border, because it is irrelevant to the construction of a wall across Mexico. If a person is going to cross multiple borders to reach Mexico and then cross in to the US, you think going they're to give up if there's a wall in the way. That is laughable. They'll just redirect through alternate routs.
Meanwhile, you're still ignoring all the growth in illegal immigration is Asian. Imagine the $40b for this stupid wall redirected to fund active policing. Following up on visa overstays. Active policing of companies hiring illegal workers. Actual useful stuff. Even that would be way down the list on ways to best spend $40b, but miles ahead of this stupid wall.
If Mexico stops aiding folks from further south (they tightly control who passes through and aid in their passing) because there is not an easy way to pass them through, a lot of it stops at Mexico's southern border.
And your Asia point is borderline silly. Illegal immigrants from our south may be declining, and from Asia may be increasing (generally visa overstays), but the NUMBERS from each are still significantly different. Add Mexico to South and Central American nations and you have many times the total from Asian nations, and it isn't even close.
Yeah, the numbers are a bit dated, but the trends are still similar.
if you're going to be making a point about where people are illegally entering the US from, posting an image that shows where people have already come from is entirely pointless. You'd want numbers on current flows, not on those of the past.
For thirteen years I had a dog with fur the darkest black. For thirteen years he was my friend, oh how I want him back.
CptJake wrote: You're ignoring illegal immigration THROUGH (not from) Mexico.
I'm not ignoring it, I'm treating it as irrelevant to the construction of a wall on the Mexican border, because it is irrelevant to the construction of a wall across Mexico. If a person is going to cross multiple borders to reach Mexico and then cross in to the US, you think going they're to give up if there's a wall in the way. That is laughable. They'll just redirect through alternate routs.
Meanwhile, you're still ignoring all the growth in illegal immigration is Asian. Imagine the $40b for this stupid wall redirected to fund active policing. Following up on visa overstays. Active policing of companies hiring illegal workers. Actual useful stuff. Even that would be way down the list on ways to best spend $40b, but miles ahead of this stupid wall.
If Mexico stops aiding folks from further south (they tightly control who passes through and aid in their passing) because there is not an easy way to pass them through, a lot of it stops at Mexico's southern border.
And your Asia point is borderline silly. Illegal immigrants from our south may be declining, and from Asia may be increasing (generally visa overstays), but the NUMBERS from each are still significantly different. Add Mexico to South and Central American nations and you have many times the total from Asian nations, and it isn't even close.
Yeah, the numbers are a bit dated, but the trends are still similar.
if you're going to be making a point about where people are illegally entering the US from, posting an image that shows where people have already come from is entirely pointless. You'd want numbers on current flows, not on those of the past.
We do have a lot of aliens here who are working towards citizen ship. Also have certain status that allows them to get drivers licenses and most importantly pay taxes, at least they pay their taxes unlike some people.
if you're going to be making a point about where people are illegally entering the US from, posting an image that shows where people have already come from is entirely pointless. You'd want numbers on current flows, not on those of the past.
Well trump and his fans might think that wall which doesn't stop illegal migration will instead send them back retroactively
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... I didn't expect this from him anytime soon. Maybe just mentioned in the spur of the moment, like he likes to do, with no actual plan...?
If this actually ends up with a plan for (Clinton-esque) no-fly zones and the like, the irony would be thick enough to cut with a knife...
Well, I am sure with the help of our NATO allies ....we.... would...... <blink>...... why is everyone looking at me like that!
Maybe his genius masterplan is to intervene in Syria and call for the aid of other NATO nations, then using it as an example to leave NATO when not everybody wants to join in on that clusterfeth?
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