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 Frazzled wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

They are not our friends nor have they ever been.

I'm sure that's a great comfort for the thousands of Mexican police who've died fighting our drug war.

I literally don't care. Take back their cartels and get their criminals out of my country.

perhaps the answer is addressing the fundamental issues in the US driving that business, conflict, policy and profitability, rather than just telling people how you dont care about the collateral damage cause by said US issues...that are then spilling back across the border...

 Silent Puffin? wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

A few years back, a friend of mine was an illegal alien in the USA, having out stayed his visa.

A friend of mine did the same thing about 15 years ago, he is still there

I need at least a year to do my planned tour of civil and revolutionary war battlefields, so I may have to do the same one day.

You can't follow in Sherman's footsteps in a few days.

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

They are not our friends nor have they ever been.

I'm sure that's a great comfort for the thousands of Mexican police who've died fighting our drug war.

I literally don't care. Take back their cartels and get their criminals out of my country.

perhaps the answer is addressing the fundamental issues in the US driving that business, conflict, policy and profitability, rather than just telling people how you dont care about the collateral damage cause by said US issues...that are then spilling back across the border...

Hey man. No Mexican fireworks like actual Mexicans on fire. Just grab your popcorn and watch the show.

This is like watching a Jr. High School student determine foreign policy.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

As I said earlier, to add insult to injury, the cement making companies best placed by location to the wall's proposed site are Mexican!

Bonus question: you'll never guess where the best labour pool is for constructing the wall?

Yeah but "Mexico will build the wall and we will pay for it!" doesn't have quite the same ring to it, does it?


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 Frazzled wrote:
Shoot down anything that comes over it around it or under it.

You're planning on shooting down commercial passenger airlines? Wow, I guess Putin's influence on US politics goes deeper than we thought.

As you know, we in the UK have a very famous wall that took a long time to build, and with their slave workforce and generous interpretation of health and safety, even the Romans were delayed. I have this feeling that this crackpot scheme will be a shambles from start to finish, and Obama and Clinton will end up being blamed for it

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

They are not our friends nor have they ever been.

I'm sure that's a great comfort for the thousands of Mexican police who've died fighting our drug war.

I literally don't care. Take back their cartels and get their criminals out of my country.

perhaps the answer is addressing the fundamental issues in the US driving that business, conflict, policy and profitability, rather than just telling people how you dont care about the collateral damage cause by said US issues...that are then spilling back across the border...

And a wall/control system can be part of that. Treat drugs as a disease here, but protect against crime and wage cutters coming in. We have the right to control our borders just like every other nation. If you disagree too bad. you lost.

As the immortal bard said: elections matter.

 whembly wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

They are not our friends nor have they ever been.

I'm sure that's a great comfort for the thousands of Mexican police who've died fighting our drug war.

I literally don't care. Take back their cartels and get their criminals out of my country.

Have perspective guys...

Texas is having a knarly time with the cartel bidness and illegal aliens problems...

If it weren't for a biblically generous level of perspective, the ignorance of some previous comments from a certain poster would have gotten and deserved my full attention. Even so, there's lines and some of those posts were over them in a very big, fething way.

 Easy E wrote:
This is like watching a Jr. High School student determine foreign policy.

Why do you hate Jr. High School students so much that you would make that comparison?

 Frazzled wrote:
We have the right to control our borders just like every other nation.

The right and the ability to exercise such are not the same thing.

 BigWaaagh wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

They are not our friends nor have they ever been.

I'm sure that's a great comfort for the thousands of Mexican police who've died fighting our drug war.

I literally don't care. Take back their cartels and get their criminals out of my country.

Have perspective guys...

Texas is having a knarly time with the cartel bidness and illegal aliens problems...

If it weren't for a biblically generous level of perspective, the ignorance of some previous comments from a certain poster would have gotten and deserved my full attention. Even so, there's lines and some of those posts were over them in a very big, fething way.

What lines. There is nothing wrong to say the US has the right to control its own borders, that crime from foreign illegal aliens is a thing, and that a nation's self interest should be paramount vs. the feelz of another, who's in such a basket that 1/5 to 1/3 of its population bailed.

New flash. We have always had these problems with Mexico. They flare up then die down. Right now they are flaring up. Mexico is an unstable country and has been since day one of being formed. Great people but sucky government. We have the right to protect our borders to prevent a spillover of that, just like we did in 1917.

 LordofHats wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
We have the right to control our borders just like every other nation.

The right and the ability to exercise such are not the same thing.

And really, riding above all the rhetoric and really the issue at the heart of this matter, is the simple art of diplomacy and how it's applied. Our liar-in-chief believes in the "feth you" approach vs. the "let's talk" approach. Very neighborly and imminently comforting to our other allies/trading partners and certainly a wonderful harbinger of the obvious diplomatic prowess to come.

 LordofHats wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
We have the right to control our borders just like every other nation.

The right and the ability to exercise such are not the same thing.

Do you leave your front door open?

 LordofHats wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
We have the right to control our borders just like every other nation.

The right and the ability to exercise such are not the same thing.

What are you smoking if you think the US can't control its border if it put its mind to it?

I fully support the USA's right to police its borders and determine who gets to enter, in any way that America sees fit.

That includes building a wall. But if I put up a wall in my garden, I'm not expecting the USA to have to pay for it. That's the difference.

Trump is out of line in asking the Mexicans to foot the bill.

 whembly wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
We have the right to control our borders just like every other nation.

The right and the ability to exercise such are not the same thing.

Do you leave your front door open?

I do, but the victims er...people who come selling things are much faster then they used to be er um more yea look over there.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

As you know, we in the UK have a very famous wall that took a long time to build, and with their slave workforce and generous interpretation of health and safety, even the Romans were delayed. I have this feeling that this crackpot scheme will be a shambles from start to finish, and Obama and Clinton will end up being blamed for it

It was also largely symbolic, the locals just went round the sides in boats

 Frazzled wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
We have the right to control our borders just like every other nation.

The right and the ability to exercise such are not the same thing.

What are you smoking if you think the US can't control its border if it put its mind to it?

Are we a nation that built the Hoover Dam? The Tennesse Valley Association? The Apollo Program?

Are we still?

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I fully support the USA's right to police its borders and determine who gets to enter, in any way that America sees fit.

That includes building a wall. But if I put up a wall in my garden, I'm not expecting the USA to have to pay for it. That's the difference.

Trump is out of line in asking the Mexicans to foot the bill.

Well, yea, thats just asinine stupid to think that. Its a sign of someone who speaks off the cuff instead of thinking, and then doubles down when criticized.

Its almost like he shouldn't have been elected or is just a flim flam guy (which also means he shouldn't have been elected).

We need firm border control, but thinking another nation would pay for it doesn't work.

 Frazzled wrote:

 BigWaaagh wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

They are not our friends nor have they ever been.

I'm sure that's a great comfort for the thousands of Mexican police who've died fighting our drug war.

I literally don't care. Take back their cartels and get their criminals out of my country.

Have perspective guys...

Texas is having a knarly time with the cartel bidness and illegal aliens problems...

If it weren't for a biblically generous level of perspective, the ignorance of some previous comments from a certain poster would have gotten and deserved my full attention. Even so, there's lines and some of those posts were over them in a very big, fething way.

What lines. There is nothing wrong to say the US has the right to control its own borders, that crime from foreign illegal aliens is a thing, and that a nation's self interest should be paramount vs. the feelz of another, who's in such a basket that 1/5 to 1/3 of its population bailed.

New flash. We have always had these problems with Mexico. They flare up then die down. Right now they are flaring up. Mexico is an unstable country and has been since day one of being formed. Great people but sucky government. We have the right to protect our borders to prevent a spillover of that, just like we did in 1917.

"What lines." You're kidding, right?

You mean besides this veritable vomit of Neanderthal response actually advocating armed response and violence to our neighbor?..."Put the wall up and its irrelevant. Shoot down anything that comes over it around it or under it. Mexico is in the mi9ddle of a civil war, like they are every 30 years or so. They are not our friends nor have they ever been."

 whembly wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
We have the right to control our borders just like every other nation.

The right and the ability to exercise such are not the same thing.

What are you smoking if you think the US can't control its border if it put its mind to it?

Are we a nation that built the Hoover Dam? The Tennesse Valley Association? The Apollo Program?

Are we still?

No, we are too busy trying to build a giant wall instead of focusing on power projects, NASA, etc.

 Frazzled wrote:


What lines. There is nothing wrong to say the US has the right to control its own borders, that crime from foreign illegal aliens is a thing, and that a nation's self interest should be paramount vs. the feelz of another, who's in such a basket that 1/5 to 1/3 of its population bailed.

I'm curious who exactly your taking too. Whoever claimed the US has no right to control its border. Where did anyone say illegals don't commit crimes (might debate how much crime they commit)? And in case you missed it, there is no debate over the paramound importance of national self interest. What, you think people can only oppose a border wall by thinking Mexico's interests are more important than America's? I'm thinking about the next fifties years when my generation has to clean up yet another mess gak onto us by our parents and their pipedream chasing. I don't want to deal with an overtly hostile Mexico that is uninterested in cooperation or partnership because of a stupid fething wall that is so riddled with problems the certainty people have in it is terrifying in itself.

Most importantly, I challenge that blowing up Mexico's economy for this will not improve anything. You'll simply send more job seekers into the US because there's nothing left there. That wall isn't going to stop anyone when we're the only jobs there are. There's thousands of more miles of US border to sneak through, assuming the wall is ever finished in the first place which is one hell of an assumption.

New flash. We have always had these problems with Mexico.

We haven't had them for a long time, and we do not need to have them now. We're having a flare up because some people are hellbent on making one, and writing off their responsibility for creating the crisis by saying "Mexico is Mexico."


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 Frazzled wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
We have the right to control our borders just like every other nation.

The right and the ability to exercise such are not the same thing.

What are you smoking if you think the US can't control its border if it put its mind to it?

What are you smoking that you think the US can control all 12,000 miles of its borders? Just because you throw a wall up isn't going to erase the desire to get here, and if we've learned anything from stuff like coke launching air cannons and drug deliver drones it's that Mexicans are a mighty inventive folk at getting things from point a to point b.

 whembly wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
We have the right to control our borders just like every other nation.

The right and the ability to exercise such are not the same thing.

What are you smoking if you think the US can't control its border if it put its mind to it?

Are we a nation that built the Hoover Dam? The Tennesse Valley Association? The Apollo Program?

Are we still?

I built a treehouse once. We hardly ever fell out of it. Hardly.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

They are not our friends nor have they ever been.

I'm sure that's a great comfort for the thousands of Mexican police who've died fighting our drug war.

I literally don't care. Take back their cartels and get their criminals out of my country.

perhaps the answer is addressing the fundamental issues in the US driving that business, conflict, policy and profitability, rather than just telling people how you dont care about the collateral damage cause by said US issues...that are then spilling back across the border...

And a wall/control system can be part of that. Treat drugs as a disease here, but protect against crime and wage cutters coming in. We have the right to control our borders just like every other nation. If you disagree too bad. you lost.

As the immortal bard said: elections matter.

enhanced controls/surveillance is one thing, but a wall can be (and what wall do exist are) routinely defeated. To go to such lengths for such an ineffective measure, that will surely cause untold social, economic, and political strife, particularly when a minority of drugs and people are going through such routes (as most gain entry through normal, manned crossings), smacks of wasteful "stigginit" just for its own sake, or worse, particularly when we're the economic drivers of the cartels business?

Its not like the cartels arent undermining walls, submarining product over, and other such things already...

enhanced controls/surveillance is one thing, but a wall can be (and what wall do exist are) routinely defeated.

Oh yea, you need an Israeli style in depth system. Or flying monkeys with ray guns. I like ray guns.

To go to such lengths for such an ineffective measure, that will surely cause untold social, economic, and political strife, particularly when a minority of drugs and people are going through such routes (as most gain entry through normal, manned crossings), smacks of wasteful "stigginit" just for its own sake, or worse, particularly when we're the economic drivers of the cartels business.

Dude its Trump. Deep Thought is not the appropriate nickname here methinks.

 Frazzled wrote:

Well, yea, thats just asinine stupid to think that. Its a sign of someone who speaks off the cuff instead of thinking, and then doubles down when criticized.

Its almost like he shouldn't have been elected or is just a flim flam guy (which also means he shouldn't have been elected).

That is a very apt observation.
And one that sadly those who support Trump will never see.

Literally no matter how bad it gets, not matter how many executive orders he abuses, Trump supporters will see him as this heroic figure who "gets the job done"
Meanwhile people are having liberties taken away, other nations are being disrespected (which will have consequences), the environment is being abused and our nation is being set back several decades

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Something about giving away state secrets and email servers come to mind. How many inquiries can we expect?

http://usuncut.com/politics/sean-spicer-tweeted-account-passwords/

White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer is apparently a neophyte when it comes to cybersecurity, particularly on social media.

As hacker The Jester pointed out, Spicer appears to have tweeted two different passwords on two consecutive days, though it isn’t clear if those were his Twitter passwords or email account passwords.

 Ustrello wrote:
Something about giving away state secrets and email servers come to mind. How many inquiries can we expect?

http://usuncut.com/politics/sean-spicer-tweeted-account-passwords/

White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer is apparently a neophyte when it comes to cybersecurity, particularly on social media.

As hacker The Jester pointed out, Spicer appears to have tweeted two different passwords on two consecutive days, though it isn’t clear if those were his Twitter passwords or email account passwords.

Dude come on. He's not a democrat, a woman, or a murderer. It's only a big deal when someone who fits all three categories does it.

 Frazzled wrote:

enhanced controls/surveillance is one thing, but a wall can be (and what wall do exist are) routinely defeated.

Oh yea, you need an Israeli style in depth system. Or flying monkeys with ray guns. I like ray guns.

The Israeli system has also proven defeatable and has been something of a major ongoing international issue. But really, anything that potentially jeapordizes my avocado and guacamole supply is something I'm going to get upset about, though flying monkeys would be amusing at least.

Dude its Trump. Deep Thought is not the appropriate nickname here methinks.

true enough.

I wonder if Trump will end up building a renewed foundation of Mexican nationalism in response to his foreign oppressive behavior. Mexicans not living on the border or who follow the law will not want to pay for a wall. A glorious future where the cartels come together and build the world's first coke funded aerospace program....

Herr Goebbels does not appreciate mainstream news disrupting the party lie, I mean, line. "I want you to quote this," Mr. Bannon added. “The media here is the opposition party." And the lap dogs, just keep lapping it up.


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump%e2%80%99s-chief-strategist-says-news-media-should-%e2%80%98keep-its-mouth-shut%e2%80%99/ar-AAmhL9O?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=ASUDHP