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So how Trump figures US people paying more for stuff brought from Mexico means Mexico pays the wall? Actual money all comes from US citizens...Wonder how long it takes for Trump fans to realize this?

Unless Trump meant by "Mexico pays for it" by not in terms of money but "I'm going to hurt them bad". Economical sense of making them pay by hitting them teeth.

Problem with that is that it just results in economics of two country suffer so sorta like MAD scenario in use. And assumes Mexico can't find alternative markets elsewhere. If they can effect is much reduced while US tax payers still ends up paying the wall.

Sometimes I'm not sure does Trump even believe BS he sprouts or is it just tactics to get more wealth and ego boosting for himself. But pretty sad how millions actually buy this BS.

One of the insane things about it is that Mexico is one of our largest trade partners. Sure they make a lot of stuff we buy, but they buy a lot of our stuff in turn. They could easily retaliate against any attempt to hurt their trade, and then we're in the middle of a trade war.

 LordofHats wrote:
One of the insane things about it is that Mexico is one of our largest trade partners. Sure they make a lot of stuff we buy, but they buy a lot of our stuff in turn. They could easily retaliate against any attempt to hurt their trade, and then we're in the middle of a trade war.

Yeah. And they have already stated they will retaliate any tarif.

I soooooo badly want to see Trump's face when he realizes his plan didn't work out like he thought it would.

Maybe Trump then plans to invade Mexico. After all he already mentioned occupuing Iraq for their money so he's not against idea of invading other countries for money...And people accused of Clinton being a warhawk. At least she wasn't openly talking about invading and occupying other country for their natural resources!

tneva82 wrote:

I soooooo badly want to see Trump's face when he realizes his plan didn't work out like he thought it would.

Alas he'll never see it as being his fault, he'll deflect it as some sort of conspiracy, and probably blame Mexico.


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I think what I'd do if I was mexico was to agree to build the wall under the following conditions:

1. The US loans mexico the fully $25bn, paid back over 50 years, 0% interest
2. The wall is built fully on the US side of the border
3. By a mexican construction company
4. With mexican staff
5. Mexican materials
6. And with no US involvement at all. No design, approval, anything.

Then use it as a great way to boost the Mexican economy at the US taxpayers expense.

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

enhanced controls/surveillance is one thing, but a wall can be (and what wall do exist are) routinely defeated.

Oh yea, you need an Israeli style in depth system. Or flying monkeys with ray guns. I like ray guns.

The Israeli system has also proven defeatable and has been something of a major ongoing international issue. But really, anything that potentially jeapordizes my avocado and guacamole supply is something I'm going to get upset about, though flying monkeys would be amusing at least.

Dude its Trump. Deep Thought is not the appropriate nickname here methinks.

true enough.

No reason tradee can't continue. Every other nation has both trade and attempts to control its border. Besides guac is probably made in china now...

 LordofHats wrote:
...as well as the Sweet Potato mystery...

Wait what? This sounds like something that would be in a childrens TV Show

 BigWaaagh wrote:
Herr Goebbels does not appreciate mainstream news disrupting the party lie, I mean, line. "I want you to quote this," Mr. Bannon added. “The media here is the opposition party." And the lap dogs, just keep lapping it up.


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump%e2%80%99s-chief-strategist-says-news-media-should-%e2%80%98keep-its-mouth-shut%e2%80%99/ar-AAmhL9O?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=ASUDHP

I think you just officilly tripped the Godwin alarm. Usually Democrats don't start calling the Republicans nazis until the third week.

Herzlos wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

I soooooo badly want to see Trump's face when he realizes his plan didn't work out like he thought it would.

Alas he'll never see it as being his fault, he'll deflect it as some sort of conspiracy, and probably blame Mexico.


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I think what I'd do if I was mexico was to agree to build the wall under the following conditions:

1. The US loans mexico the fully $25bn, paid back over 50 years, 0% interest
2. The wall is built fully on the US side of the border
3. By a mexican construction company
4. With mexican staff
5. Mexican materials
6. And with no US involvement at all. No design, approval, anything.

Then use it as a great way to boost the Mexican economy at the US taxpayers expense.

Don't forget the bit where Mexico retains the contract to carry out all future repairs and maintenance, the cost of which is not included in the $25bn.

 LordofHats wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:

 BigWaaagh wrote:
Herr Goebbels does not appreciate mainstream news disrupting the party lie, I mean, line. "I want you to quote this," Mr. Bannon added. “The media here is the opposition party." And the lap dogs, just keep lapping it up.


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump%e2%80%99s-chief-strategist-says-news-media-should-%e2%80%98keep-its-mouth-shut%e2%80%99/ar-AAmhL9O?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=ASUDHP

Thats is something actually insanely Goebbels-esque...

Especially when you consider that the administration is more than happy to pander to Fox and the rest of the right-wing-outrage machine. So look at the bright side. There's finally an admission that Faux and Fiends aren't real news

Its actually hard to find "real news" now that isn't heavily slanted, and more importantly talking heads in Washington harrumping about this or that. It used to be slightly slanted now its heavily slanted. I tend to just read off feeds now.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:
...as well as the Sweet Potato mystery...

Wait what? This sounds like something that would be in a childrens TV Show

The "sweet potato mystery" is related to the presence of Sweet Potatoes in Polynesia. By the time the Portugese arrived in the south Pacific the Sweet Potato was already widely cultivated by islanders throughout the region. It's interesting because the sweet potato is native to the Americas. There is however no accepted theory for how the Sweet Potato got off the Americas and ended up in Polynesia. Theoretically either group could have reached one another by sea but we have no direct evidence for a trade relationship like pottery or jewelry or anything. Just Sweet Potatoes. Which is weird.

Hence the Sweet Potato Mystery

https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/824786614530478080

Mentions of "special relationship" in Theresa May's speech: 8
Number of times Theresa May's name was misspelled in White House briefing: 3

TBF those are probably just alternative spellings

 LordofHats wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:
...as well as the Sweet Potato mystery...

Wait what? This sounds like something that would be in a childrens TV Show

The "sweet potato mystery" is related to the presence of Sweet Potatoes in Polynesia. By the time the Portugese arrived in the south Pacific the Sweet Potato was already widely cultivated by islanders throughout the region. It's interesting because the sweet potato is native to the Americas. There is however no accepted theory for how the Sweet Potato got off the Americas and ended up in Polynesia. Theoretically either group could have reached one another by sea but we have no direct evidence for a trade relationship like pottery or jewelry or anything. Just Sweet Potatoes. Which is weird.

Hence the Sweet Potato Mystery

I'm still going to imagine smiling people on TV reading out the story of Polynesia and the Sweet Potato Mystery from a big picture book

Boy, when Vervunhive in the south finally wakes up to the fact that that this isn't just any old Trade War, and that Ferrozoica has fallen completely under the control of Heritor Asphodel, and the dark gods of Chaos, they're going to be in for it...

Wait, no, that's a Gaunt's Ghosts book. I got confused for a second. Carry on.

 Frazzled wrote:


Its actually hard to find "real news" now that isn't heavily slanted, and more importantly talking heads in Washington harrumping about this or that. It used to be slightly slanted now its heavily slanted. I tend to just read off feeds now.

I think it's not hard to find "real news" It's hard to find "hard news." The overwhelming amount of news is just networks, papers, blogs, and such repeating what an original source point says (Reuters and the AP are the most common source points). Few news services engage in lmore than basic fact checking, and many focus on news that will earn them money because most news is for profit. That means they produce what people want to hear much more than what anyone might actually need to hear. Serious investigative journalism is few and far between and more often than not buried in the minutia of day to day reporting. Many news groups are dependent on ad advertising online, and paper papers are dying across the country (though there has been a surge in the past few years with local online reporting that might help improve sourcing). They can't afford to actually investigate anything themselves so they rely on a select few sources for stories; government officials, international organizations, etc.

CNN is the most straight forward example I can think off. Literally 80% of what they publish is "X happens, Y says _____, Z disagrees, expert _______ has this to say." Like really. They've got a formula and they've mastered the hell out of it. It's not fake. It's not meaningless information, but it isn't very insightful and it's not very interesting. We don't really have anyone to blame for it but ourselves though. Especially with the growth of "outrage" news, that's really kind of our fault because 1) we operate in an environment where news is published for profit and 2) we buy that gak up.

 reds8n wrote:
https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/824786614530478080

Mentions of "special relationship" in Theresa May's speech: 8
Number of times Theresa May's name was misspelled in White House briefing: 3

TBF those are probably just alternative spellings

Plus I can imagine Trumps disappointment when, instead of meeting her:

he finds out he's meeting her:

 LordofHats wrote:
To be fair to Frazzled, he said rather plainly a page ago what he thinks about Trump and the idea of a literal "Great Wall Guadalupe Hidalgo" as a border defense a page ago and he was not positive.

Exactly, although if he develops a Manhattan project to develop sharks with with friggin lazer beams or if not sharks angry sea bass, then I am all for it.

Has everyone lost respect for the BBC?

I know Trump has.

 LordofHats wrote:
One of the insane things about it is that Mexico is one of our largest trade partners. Sure they make a lot of stuff we buy, but they buy a lot of our stuff in turn. They could easily retaliate against any attempt to hurt their trade, and then we're in the middle of a trade war.

We have a trade deficit with them since NAFTA started.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

snip

..Guess who is not on a work computer.


TBF for ages they kept misspelling 'Osama Bin Laden' as 'Saddam Hussein'.



https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/republican-senators-hope-trade-deal-will-open-up-the-nhs-to?utm_term=.pwNeKG3lP#.ufnzrKjYA

But they also made it clear to BuzzFeed News that they are likely to want something in return – and that could include improved access to the UK’s healthcare market.
Todd Young, a senator from Indiana, said he was receptive to the idea of a free-trade deal with the UK and said he is “always looking for opportunities to open up foreign markets” to goods and services produced in Indiana – including healthcare.
“The life sciences industry in my own state happens to be quite robust and a driver of job creation so there may be some opportunities there as well,” he said.
Asked whether a trade deal represented a good opportunity for such businesses to get involved in UK healthcare, he said: “Yes, indeed.

and so it begins.

This latest debacle concerning the misspelling of Theresa May's name pretty much sums up Trump's first week.

Mexico, alternative facts, National Parks, inauguration crowds, and now this.

I appreciate the fact that mistakes happen, the staff are probably new to the job, but I get the impression that already after only 7 days, things are spiralling out of control.

Now I'm reading that the intelligence community will quietly get their revenge on Trump with a few well timed leaks.

If this is Trump + 7, God knows what Trump + 365 will look like.




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 Kilkrazy wrote:
Has everyone lost respect for the BBC?

I know Trump has.

He's not the only one. Years of battling TV licence men at my front door kinda puts you off the BBC.


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 reds8n wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

snip

..Guess who is not on a work computer.


TBF for ages they kept misspelling 'Osama Bin Laden' as 'Saddam Hussein'.

Have an exalt for that.


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tneva82 wrote:
So how Trump figures US people paying more for stuff brought from Mexico means Mexico pays the wall? Actual money all comes from US citizens...Wonder how long it takes for Trump fans to realize this?

Unless Trump meant by "Mexico pays for it" by not in terms of money but "I'm going to hurt them bad". Economical sense of making them pay by hitting them teeth.

Problem with that is that it just results in economics of two country suffer so sorta like MAD scenario in use. And assumes Mexico can't find alternative markets elsewhere. If they can effect is much reduced while US tax payers still ends up paying the wall.

Sometimes I'm not sure does Trump even believe BS he sprouts or is it just tactics to get more wealth and ego boosting for himself. But pretty sad how millions actually buy this BS.

Finland will be next on Trump's list

 Frazzled wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:
One of the insane things about it is that Mexico is one of our largest trade partners. Sure they make a lot of stuff we buy, but they buy a lot of our stuff in turn. They could easily retaliate against any attempt to hurt their trade, and then we're in the middle of a trade war.

We have a trade deficit with them since NAFTA started.

The USA has had a trade deficit since 1976.

International trade doesn't work by every pair of countries making exactly equal exports and imports between each other. The USA can spend more money in Mexico than vice versa. Australia spends more money in the USA than vice versa. China spends more money in Australia than vice versa. And so on and so on.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Has everyone lost respect for the BBC?

I know Trump has.

He's not the only one. Years of battling TV licence men at my front door kinda puts you off the BBC.

Maybe next time answer the door wearing nothing but your woad?

The USA has had a trade deficit since 1976.

Now you see the problem.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Has everyone lost respect for the BBC?

I know Trump has.

He's not the only one. Years of battling TV licence men at my front door kinda puts you off the BBC.

Maybe next time answer the door wearing nothing but your woad?

It wouldn't stop them. They're like the 9 Nazgul. They never give up.

 Just Tony wrote:

 Vash108 wrote:


Or education. It is starting to show.

Tell me about it. If we're going to learn history and sociology from television can it at least be the newest line hip shows on Fox that'll be cancelled by the end of the year? Bonanza is so date.

You didn't want to go with Rawhide? Since I was borne in '74, maybe a John Wayne western would be more appropriate. I shouldn't even dignify this with a response, but I want to make it clear that it isn't affecting me in the way you'd hoped.

Sorry, but that was not directed towards you. I mean to more add on to what you said. But seriously the education system we have is underfunded and budget gets cut every year.

 Frazzled wrote:

The USA has had a trade deficit since 1976.

Now you see the problem.

Not really, the jury is out on whether trade deficits are inherently bad or good or both or neither.

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/08/trade-deficit-effects.asp

 Frazzled wrote:

The USA has had a trade deficit since 1976.

Now you see the problem.

Not NAFTA, obviously.

can't wait.


Hope it's an explosive as his cunning plan to defeat ISIS which was revealed to be .....to order the military to come up with a plan to defeat ISIS.

Gotta appreciate outside of the box thinking like that.




golden.

How is the oppression of scientific findings a good thing?

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-trump-information-20170125-story.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38756447

Rogue Nasa [Twitter] account fights Trump on climate change