whembly wrote:

 Spinner wrote:
Probably another indefinite ban, because, frankly, our refugee vetting process is already pretty extensive.

The whole thing probably need review... in some cases, it's probably too extensive.

"This thing I talked about in the middle of the election isn't ready yet because I have no idea what I'm doing" is also hardly an encouraging excuse.

The really big problem here, imo, is with Trump's EOs is that he appears to be issuing them without consultation from the Depts and agencies that must implement.

...

 CptJake wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
So apparently Christian middle eastern refugees will be receiving priority over others.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38778322

No mention that Shia muslims are pretty much kill/enslave on sight targets for ISIS, but...

It isn't like Sunni DaIsh are the only killers, the Hez brigades backing Assad do their fair share too. There are Shia safe havens in Iran and Iraq as well (in theater) if they are not comfortable in the areas of Syria secured by Hez and the Russians. The Christian refugees have been consistently treated like gak everywhere in the region they go.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 whembly wrote:
My only ask, is what do we do with the vacuum once ISIS is obliterated???

That assumes Trump has thought that far ahead. He has a ten year-old's view of world affairs, kill the "bad guys" and it will be all over.

 whembly wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
So apparently Christian middle eastern refugees will be receiving priority over others.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38778322

No mention that Shia muslims are pretty much kill/enslave on sight targets for ISIS, but...

It isn't like Sunni DaIsh are the only killers, the Hez brigades backing Assad do their fair share too. There are Shia safe havens in Iran and Iraq as well (in theater) if they are not comfortable in the areas of Syria secured by Hez and the Russians. The Christian refugees have been consistently treated like gak everywhere in the region they go.

So... Trump just signed an EO instructing the DoD to develop plans to defeat ISIS...

I gotta admit... I like how Trump & Mattis are talking about destroying the gak out of ISIS, not merely 'containing' the threat or 'degrading' it.

My only ask, is what do we do with the vacuum once ISIS is obliterated???

 LordofHats wrote:
They didn't even have enough scientists between the politicization of academics and trying to figure out physics without using "Jewish Physics"

 d-usa wrote:
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/316714-federal-judge-blocks-trump-immigration-ban-nationwide

 BigWaaagh wrote:
I'm sure it was a lightning strike. Cry havoc and let slip the deplorables.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/texas-mosque-destroyed-in-early-morning-blaze-cause-unknown/ar-AAmlNtD?ocid=ASUDHP

 Ustrello wrote:

 BigWaaagh wrote:
I'm sure it was a lightning strike. Cry havoc and let slip the deplorables.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/texas-mosque-destroyed-in-early-morning-blaze-cause-unknown/ar-AAmlNtD?ocid=ASUDHP

In before the Dakka trump defense team comes in and tries to handwave it away

Kilkrazy wrote:

But ALL THAT doesn't matter either. The REALLY important thing is that the number of muslim terrorist attacks in the USA committed by refugees will be temporarily reduced from zero to... er... 23?

Never mind. On the plus side, perhaps all this kerfuffle will delay the next random mass shooting incident.

Peregrine wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:

 BigWaaagh wrote:
I'm sure it was a lightning strike. Cry havoc and let slip the deplorables.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/texas-mosque-destroyed-in-early-morning-blaze-cause-unknown/ar-AAmlNtD?ocid=ASUDHP

In before the Dakka trump defense team comes in and tries to handwave it away

Let's not get too excited here, nobody has even stated that the cause of the fire was arson at all. I hate Trump and his deplorables as much as anyone, but so far there is no reason to blame them for this.

Update 9:49 p.m.:
Protesters continue to fill Terminal 5 as at least 12 people are reportedly still detained.


Mayor Rahm Emanuel called for a list from the federal government of names anyone being detained at O'Hare or Midway and urged the release of anyone "unjustly affected."
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A federal judge ordered an emergency stay that allows those who have landed with visas to stay.
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Confusion and outrage continue to build across the nation in the wake of President Donald Trump’s executive order that blocks refugees from entering the United States and bans all people from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia and Yemen.
Trump and his loyalists have said the order, which bans travel to the U.S. from those countries for at least 90 days and suspends the refugee program for 120, will help to fight terrorism. Critics and other more rational people, however, have said that the order not only undermines US security at home and abroad, but widely discriminates against Muslims and others from the Middle East. The order was also signed while many refugee families and others targeted by the ban were already in transit to the United States, causing people to become stranded or detained at airports around the country.
A man, woman and their young child who were traveling from Iran were detained at O'Hare on Saturday, before eventually being released. The man, Hessam Noorian, a green card holder and Park Ridge resident, was detained for five hours. As of 8 p.m. on Saturday, there were between 12 and 14 people being detained, all of whom reportedly had legal status in the country. More than a dozen lawyers were on hand at the airport after a request was issued by immigrants-rights lawyers organizations. U.S. Rep. Jan Schakowsky was also working to secure the release of detainees. As many as 18 people were detained, including legal permanent residents and two babies, according to U.S. Senator Tammy Duckworth.
Duckworth said in a statement:
"I wish the President had realized that governing in a fair and just manner is harder than rallying crowds with catchphrases before human lives were affected, as they were by today's needless and dehumanizing detentions at O'Hare and airports around the country. Stopping legal permanent residents and babies simply because of where they're from is not the American way and it doesn't make us safer. This Muslim ban must end."
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“Today we stand with our Syrian brothers and sisters, the Muslim community and all those refugees and immigrants who are being used as scapegoats by the current administration,” said Lawrence Benito, chief executive officer of Illinois Coalition for Immigrant and Refugee Rights in a statement yesterday. “We will push back against this and other executive orders and will not give into the rhetoric of a fear and nationalism. Our communities are strong, diverse and resilient. We are here to support each other and we are here to stay.”
A heartbreaking scene played out yesterday at O’Hare Airport as when a group of co-sponsors tweeted out a group photo awaiting one of the last Syrian families to enter the country.
Local opponents of Trump’s ban, which interestingly does not include several Muslim-majority countries where he has business dealings, are gathering at Terminal 5 at O’Hare for a protest and vigil to support those affected by it.
“By protesting President Trump’s blatantly discriminatory order hundreds of Chicagoans will show our city rejects his bigotry,” said the Arab American Action Network in a joint press release with several other local immigrants rights organizations.
While the action did not officially begin until 6:00 p.m. people began gathering at the airport as early as 4 p.m.
More than a thousand people protested at the airport, demonstrating at Terminal 5 and marching inside the O'Hare terminal. CTA trains were flooded with people heading to the action early on Saturday evening.

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Traffic was snarled at Terminal 5 as protesters marched through lanes, blocked vehicles from passing and chanted "Our streets!"

Hundreds of protesters erupted in cheers Saturday night as they learned that a federal judge in Brooklyn blocked part of President Donald Trump's travel ban, preventing immigrants detained at JFK and other U.S. airports from being deported.
The temporary injunction from U.S. District Judge Ann Donnelly also requires the government to provide a list of the names of people detained.
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At least 10 people remained detained at JFK Saturday, two others were released before the judge's ruling. The nationwide stay doesn't mean they will be released, only that they won't be deported.
“This ruling preserves the status quo and ensures that people who have been granted permission to be in this country are not illegally removed off U.S. soil," said Lee Gelernt, deputy director of the ACLU’s Immigrants’ Rights Project who argued the case.
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Crowds gathered at the federal courthouse in Brooklyn where the American Civil Liberties Union argued for the nationwide stay. As lawyers emerged from court, the crowd broke out in chants of "Yes we can, yes we can."
Hillary Clinton tweeted about the protests late Saturday, saying: "I stand with the people gathered across the country tonight defending our values & our Constitution. This is not who we are."
The protest had largely shifted to the courthouse from John F. Kennedy International Airport, where people gathered for a daylong protest that at times had more than 300 people.
They held homemade signs that read "No ban, no wall" and "Refugees welcome" in front of Terminal 4's international arrivals area. One sign called for President Trump's impeachment and the deportation of the first lady.
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"We're here to tell Trump that we are not going anywhere," said lawyer and refugee advocate Jacki Esposito, who helped organize the protest. "Today is the beginning of a long opposition from us, and our neighbors all over the country."
US Suspends Immigration Program Helping Non-Muslim Iranians
Trump said the halt in the refugee program was necessary to give agencies time to develop a stricter screening system. His executive order also banned refugees from Syria indefinitely, and put in place an immediate 90-day ban for all immigration to the U.S. from the seven Muslim-majority nations.
One of the people detained at JFK was Hameed Jhalid Darweesh, who worked with the U.S. in Iraq in a number of roles, including as an interpreter for the U.S. army. He had been targeted twice for working with the U.S. military, according to The New York Times.
Iraqi Man Detained at JFK Airport Released
Nearly four hours after news of the detainment broke, U.S. Rep. Jerry Nadler announced that Darweesh was released from custody.
After he was freed Saturday, Darweesh told a waiting crowd: "We know America is the land of freedom, the land of freedom, the land of light. I am very thankful and very happy.
"America is the greatest nation, the greatest people in the world."
He said that he came with his family and they were separated while he was detained. His family was released while he was held.
A second Iraqi refugee detained was detained later Saturday, the immigrant rights group Make the Road said. That left 10 refugees in custody at JFK.
The New York Taxi Workers Alliance (NYTWA) joined the protest, drawing attention to the anti-Muslim violence suffered by their Sikh and non-Muslim brown drivers. Taxi drivers didn't pick up passengers from 6 p.m.-7p.m. at JFK in solidarity with protesters, the union tweeted.
"Today, drivers are joining the protest at JFK Airport in support of all those who are currently being detained #NoBanNoWall," the nonprofit organization tweeted.
NYTWA added that the executive orders puts professional drivers and its members, many of who are Muslim, in more danger since 9/11, when hate crimes against Muslims skyrocketed.
"By sanctioning bigotry with his unconstitutional and [sic] inhumane executive order, the president is putting professional drivers in more danger than they have been in any time since 9/11," the organization said in a statement Saturday.
Reps. Nadler and Nydia Velazquez met with Customs and Border Patrol supervisors at the airport as the two worked to provide legal access to the detainees.
"These are people who are no threat to the United States and who have worked with the armed forces for years and who were given visas on those basis," Nadler said. "It is shameful not to mention [that they've worked with the US for years] and probably implies religious discrimination."
"It is a sad day for the American people. This is not who we are, this is an affront to our American values," said Velazquez. "This is a matter of life and death. These types of actions undermine our national security, and our president, Donald Trump, doesn't get it."
In a statement posted to his Twitter account, Gov. Andrew Cuomo called the words inscribed at the foot of the Statue of Liberty to remind people that America is a melting pot, not a divider, of cultures.
"We are a nation of bridges, not walls, and a great many of us still believe the words 'give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses...'," he said. "This is not who we are. And not who we should be."
Attorney General Eric T. Schneiderman said his staff had been in touch with lawyers for the refugees and would provide legal assistance to them.
"I will do everything in my power to help those who have been victimized by President Trump's discriminatory and dangerous executive action," Schneiderman said.
The protests disrupted traffic at the airport. The Port Authority said there would be no taxi pick-ups or drop-offs until 8 p.m. and travelers should make alternate plans.
The Port Authority suspended AirTrain service to the airport, but Cuomo ordered the agency to reverse its decision and restore service. He also told the MTA and state police to assist with the transportation and security of the protesters.
"The people of New York will have their voices heard," Cuomo said in a statement.


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A federal judge in New York has issued an emergency stay temporarily halting the removal of individuals detained after President Trump issued an order to ban immigrants from seven Muslim-majority countries from entering the U.S.

The move appears to mark the first successful legal challenge to the Trump administration and affects those who have arrived in the U.S. with previously approved refugee applications or were in transit with valid visas.

U.S. District Court Judge Ann Donnelly ruled in favor of a habeas corpus petition filed by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) on behalf of two Iraqi men who were detained at John F. Kennedy International Airport on Friday after Trump signed his order.

Donnelly, who was nominated by former President Barack Obama and confirmed to her judgeship in 2015, ruled in the Eastern District of New York that "there is imminent danger that, absent the stay of removal, there will be substantial and irreparable injury to refugees, visa-holders, and other individuals from nations subject" to Trump's order.

“This ruling preserves the status quo and ensures that people who have been granted permission to be in this country are not illegally removed off U.S. soil," said Lee Gelernt, deputy director of the ACLU’s Immigrants’ Rights Project.

The ruling deals with a portion of Trump's order handed down Friday, which bars Syrian refugees indefinitely and halts the resettlement of all refugees for four months as the administration reviews the vetting process.

The order also denies entry for 90 days for individuals from seven predominantly Muslims countries: Iraq, Iran, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Libya and Yemen.

“Clearly the judge understood the possibility for irreparable harm to hundreds of immigrants and lawful visitors to this country," ACLU Executive Director Anthony D. Romero said in a statement.

"Our courts today worked as they should as bulwarks against government abuse or unconstitutional policies and orders. On week one, Donald Trump suffered his first loss in court.”

The order Saturday evening capped off a chaotic first day following Trump's directive, as the administration moved to implement his order, with reports emerging of individuals being detained at a number of airports across the country.

The Department of Homeland Security said Trump's order would apply to green card holders from the seven impacted countries.

"President Trump and his administration are right to be concerned about national security, but it’s unacceptable when even legal permanent residents are being detained or turned away at airports and ports of entry," Republican Sen. Jeff Flake (Ariz.) said in a statement.

A senior administration official said green card holders from the countries who are currently outside the U.S. will need a case-by-case waiver to return to the U.S. and green card holders in the U.S. would need to meet with a consular officer before leaving the country.

An administration official also said that Trump advisers had been in contact with the State Department and Department of Homeland Security for weeks prior to the issuing of his Friday order, arguing it affected a "relatively small" number of people.

"It’s important to keep in mind that no person living or residing overseas has a right to entry to the U.S.," the official said.

But backlash on Saturday to the order was swift from civil-rights groups, businesses and various Democratic officials, which condemned it as a departure from the U.S. tradition of accepting refugees and comparing it to Trump's campaign proposal to temporarily ban Muslim migrants.
Rep. Nydia Velázquez (D-N.Y.) slammed Trump’s executive order outside JFK where she and fellow Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.) worked to secure release of the two Iraqi men, calling it “arbitrary” and “unjust.”

Democrats also pressed the Trump administration for further explanation on the order, with Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) called on the Department of Homeland Security to immediate "rescind" it.

"It's not a Muslim ban, but we are totally prepared," Trump told media gathered in the Oval Office on Saturday afternoon as he signed three new executive orders on lobbying, a plan to defeat the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) and a reorganization of the National Security Council.

"It's working out very nicely. You see it in the airports, you see it all over. It's working out very nicely and we are going to have a very, very strict ban and we are going to have extreme vetting, which we should have had in this country for many years," Trump said.

Updated: 10:41 p.m.

We are a nation of bridges, not walls. This is not who we are. And not who we should be.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:

 BigWaaagh wrote:
I'm sure it was a lightning strike. Cry havoc and let slip the deplorables.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/texas-mosque-destroyed-in-early-morning-blaze-cause-unknown/ar-AAmlNtD?ocid=ASUDHP

In before the Dakka trump defense team comes in and tries to handwave it away

Let's not get too excited here, nobody has even stated that the cause of the fire was arson at all. I hate Trump and his deplorables as much as anyone, but so far there is no reason to blame them for this.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Is anyone else contemplating what they will tell the History Channel documentarists fifty years from now? I'm practicing my haunted 'we didn't know' look.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
What do you guys think about Trump's new restrictions on lobbying? It seems like a good move to me, but as always I wonder if there's a subtext I'm missing.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Lord Bannon of House Breitbart appointed to National Security Council. Director of National Intelligence and Joint Chiefs, meanwhile, are now out unless the chairman decides the meeting pertains to their responsibilities.

I mean at this stage the WTF's are coming so thick & fast I barely understand what's up at any given moment - are we at the point where we can start using the F word unironically yet, or do we have to wait until he's literally strutting around the White House lawn in full uniform with aviator sunglasses demanding everyone call him Generalissimo?

 curran12 wrote:
BUT HUR EMAILS!

China military official says war with US under Donald Trump 'becoming practical reality

War with the US under Donald Trump is “not just a slogan” and becoming a “practical reality”, a senior Chinese military official has said.

The remarks were published on the People’s Liberation Army website, apparently in response to the aggressive rhetoric towards China from America's new administration.

They communicated a view from inside the Central Military Commission, which has overall authority of China’s armed forces.

Quoted in the South China Morning Post, the official from the Commission’s Defence Mobilisation Department wrote: “A war ‘within the president’s term’ or ‘war breaking out tonight’ are not just slogans, they are becoming a practical reality.”

The official also called for military deployments in the tense South and East China Seas and for a missile defence system to guard the Korean peninsula, another regional hotspot, the Post reported.

The US should also reconsider its strategy in the Asia-Pacific region, the official wrote.

Mr Trump and members of his administration have consistently voiced a hard line against China. Mr Trump has branded the country a “currency manipulator” and accusing the country of underhand trading and economic tactics.

But more significantly in security terms, Mr Trump has also ignored the US’s longstanding ‘One China’ policy, publicly engaging with the President of Taiwan, Tsai Ing-wen, in a move that was hugely antagonising for Beijing.

China strongly regards Taiwan as part of its territory and the US has tacitly respected this for decades, but Mr Trump signalled a departure from this policy.

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson has also advocated a US naval blockade of artificial Chinese islands in the South China Sea – which Beijing could interpret as an act of war.

Further suggestions China is preparing for conflict emerged this week, with unconfirmed reports the military has moved long range missiles closer to the north east border in Heilongjiang province -- within firing range of the US.

Chinese social media has carried pictures claiming to show the Dongfeng-41 advanced intercontinental ballistic missile system near the Russian border.

Provocative state-run tabloid The Global Times suggested the People’s Liberation Army could have leaked the photos on social media as a warning to Mr Trump.

However, Chinese President Xi Jinping has also recently called for the reduction of nuclear weapons.

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 Steve steveson wrote:
The question is is this just saber rattling from the Chinese or will they follow through if Trump, for example, starts pushing on issues like the South China Sea?

 Peregrine wrote:

2) Conventional war where the US wrecks everything China has and Russia gets to redraw their border to annex whatever they feel like owning.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Steve steveson wrote:
The question is is this just saber rattling from the Chinese or will they follow through if Trump, for example, starts pushing on issues like the South China Sea?

Probably just saber-rattling, hoping to take advantage of Trump's incompetence. China cares a lot about their image, but probably not to the point of committing national suicide. A shooting war with China ends in one of two things:

 reds8n wrote:
... Presumably if we/Europe/similar do get involved Russia would just cut off the energy supplies from the east.

Plus, unbelievable is it it to type almost, I'm not sure there's enough support for Trump/USA in Europe at the moment.

Against China.

 reds8n wrote:
.. and are people going to be able to believe anything that comes from the Whitehouse Press office ?

If Spicer/Conway needs to come out and tell us/the world that, say, China opened fire or provoked a physical confrontation will anyone believe them ?