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Eldar Vampire Hunter wrote:
Hey everyone

Hey, man!
Anything on Tau?
Especiall R'varna, XV9 Hazards and Tetras

Requizen wrote:
Kutlakh will probably have a buff to Flayed Ones. His sword was Instant Death in the last edition, I wonder what that will translate to now.

Toholk's thing was that he gave vehicles IWND (and I think he had a slightly better gun or something?). If he buffs Doomsday Arks he might just become an auto-include.

Think anything with ID typically has a higher damage output. I'm expecting a flat 3 Damage to his sword.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Requizen wrote:
Kutlakh will probably have a buff to Flayed Ones. His sword was Instant Death in the last edition, I wonder what that will translate to now.

Toholk's thing was that he gave vehicles IWND (and I think he had a slightly better gun or something?). If he buffs Doomsday Arks he might just become an auto-include.

Think anything with ID typically has a higher damage output. I'm expecting a flat 3 Damage to his sword.

Either that or a variable output of mortal wounds. Probably not both though.

I think the Gauss Pylon gained a new weapon, the Tesla Arc looks like it might be interesting.

Nice to see the Tantalus can be in a Haemonculus Coven and get T8. So much for Drukhari being fragile, lol.

Eldar Vampire Hunter wrote:
Nice to see the Tantalus can be in a Haemonculus Coven and get T8. So much for Drukhari being fragile, lol.

New plan... Archon rides pimp mode in the Tantalus. If it goes nuclear...he goes down with it LOL.

Archon + 15 kabalites seems like a brutal little shooting star to contend with...distraction carnifex, but with style (and teeth)!

Is anyone out there spoiling the AM book? Would really love to know a couple of the tanks.

Remoras seem to be a much better deal than Sniper Rifles for the same power point level...
Aw, they lost their markerlights

Ta'unar lost some durability, but at BS2+ can't complain much

For those with Facebook, Warhammer 40,000: Tau Empire group is sharing some info. I'll post the relevant stuff:

- Technical Drones heal 1D3 wounds on Battlesuits on a 4+. Vehicles cannot be repaired by them.

- R'varna's weapons are 60" Heavy 3D3 S6 AP-2 Dam3. Higher power level than Riptide, less than Y'vhara. W15, M8"
Comes with a Multi-tracker and can picks ATS and/or Stimms.
Nova profiles:
a) re-roll number of shots
b) 3++
c) cause D3 mortal wounds on a 4+ at any enemy unit within 6"

- Hammerhead variants are 2:
a) one with 2 HYMP
b) other with the 3 other options from old FW Hammerheads.

- Tetras have the same shadow ability from Remoras, a High Intensity Markerlight (1 attack, but gives 3 ML tokens at once). No homing beacons anymore.

- R'myr is from Dal'yth sept. Same Kauyon/Mont'ka effects. Dislikes Astra Militarum
- R'alai is from Kelshan Sept. Same Kauyon/Mont'ka effects. 3++ against enemies at 12", re-roll hits vs characters

- Barracuda has 5++, railgun is Heavy 2 S8. BS3+

- Tigershark lost the drone bay and now fires a lot of missiles: D6 S6 AP-2 Dam2, as the same railgun of the Barracuda. BS2+
Tigershark AX-0-1 has the same Railgun of Ta'unar
power levels less than 31
(funny detail: Tigershark AX-0-1 doesn't have Titanic keyword, but his weapon is a Macro one. RAW, can't fire it when moving)

- Orca can carry 65 infentry models, with battlesuits taking 2 spaces each. Lower power level than a Riptide

- Manta has W60 and same railgun of ta'unar. carry a lot of stuff

- Sensor Tower has the high intensity markerlight, overwatches at BS5+, has For the Greater Good, 1 unit within 3" of it can re-roll 1s to hit. can't deep strike

- Heavy gun drones are gun drones with W3 and 2 burst cannons

- Piranha TX-42 can take rail rifles

Man, the words on those tyranid datasheets...and the general formatting, there are a fair few large mistakes I am seeing, and stuff that just doesn't really make sense.

I see a huge FAQ coming!

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Thanks.

Titans? I am ordering the physical books - just curoius about my warhound

Kutlahk is frickin insane. Letting any Necrons charge after advancing is great enough, but the 12" range on it is simply bonkers.

I cant wait to see what the Eldar supers look like, or the Hornets! Gotta pick this book up, asap!

any info on eldar flyers (vampire raider/hunter, nightwing, phoenix) is greatly appreciated.

Marauder bombers are better at shooting other zooming flyers than a vendetta........

A guardsman is better at shooting other flyers than a vendetta.....

Vendettas are better at shooting vehicles flying over 700 miles an hour when it is stationary........

bs modifiers when shooting with a lightning as are follows: -1 to bs for moving (mandatory) -1 to bs for hard to hit, and +1 to hit for it's autocannon. This gak is is indefensibly bad.

Seriously this edition is pretty cool so far, but the way flyers work is so stupid.

Spotlight saber defence platforms, and salamander command vehicles giving pluses to hit is pretty wicked. So much for bad guard BS.

Also really liking the look of the Stygies Vanquisher, and Woooooo! Stormhammer!

There is no way to take tank commander versions of the new Russes. Sort of disappointing. I guess 160 pt Vulture punishers will make up for it!

How about those renegades and heretics gun batteries though? Is it worth picking up the index just for those dudes?

I guess I wasn't specific enough with my earlier warning (so I've updated it).

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To clarify my earlier post, I'm curious if they're good or not. I'll have the index downloaded in a few hours. But if anyone happens to have seen things already, I'm curious to know about people's initial impressions, like how Vector Strike summarized.

 Sledgehammer wrote:
Marauder bombers are better at shooting other zooming flyers than a vendetta........

A guardsman is better at shooting other flyers than a vendetta.....

Vendettas are better at shooting vehicles flying over 700 miles an hour when it is stationary........

bs modifiers when shooting with a lightning as are follows: -1 to bs for moving (mandatory) -1 to bs for hard to hit, and +1 to hit for it's autocannon. This gak is is indefensibly bad.

Seriously this edition is pretty cool so far, but the way flyers work is so stupid.

That has to be a mistake. Why in the world would they apply the heavy penalty on a flyer that cant hover.

Because once upon a time, in 6th edition, Vendettas were OP OP. What goes around comes around

 ncshooter426 wrote:
Why in the world would they apply the heavy penalty on a flyer that cant hover.

Because 8th is a complete dumpster fire, from beginning to end.

 ncshooter426 wrote:

 Sledgehammer wrote:
Marauder bombers are better at shooting other zooming flyers than a vendetta........

A guardsman is better at shooting other flyers than a vendetta.....

Vendettas are better at shooting vehicles flying over 700 miles an hour when it is stationary........

bs modifiers when shooting with a lightning as are follows: -1 to bs for moving (mandatory) -1 to bs for hard to hit, and +1 to hit for it's autocannon. This gak is is indefensibly bad.

Seriously this edition is pretty cool so far, but the way flyers work is so stupid.

That has to be a mistake. Why in the world would they apply the heavy penalty on a flyer that cant hover.

For the same reason the doom scythe has a heavy penalty? That reason being "who knows".

 Peregrine wrote:

 ncshooter426 wrote:
Why in the world would they apply the heavy penalty on a flyer that cant hover.

Because 8th is a complete dumpster fire, from beginning to end.

From a guy who usually ascribes to a pretty logical point of view and defends his positions, I am disappointed. [that was a misplaced modifier I couldn't figure out how to word differently a]. Nay, I am offended.

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
From a guy who usually ascribes to a pretty logical point of view and defends his positions, I am disappointed. [that was a misplaced modifier I couldn't figure out how to word differently a]. Nay, I am offended.

I'm not sure what defense you think is necessary here, when there are obvious stupid rules like this it's pretty self-evidently clear that the book is a mess and probably had very little effort put into it. And I've made my position on 8th edition in general clear plenty of times, even if I don't drag this thread off-topic by repeating that explanation again.

 ncshooter426 wrote:
Titans? I am ordering the physical books - just curoius about my warhound

75 power, S10 T9 35 wounds, 3+ save. 4 damage steps (typo it looks like, since it goes from M 24 to M8, 6, 4 while the other titans go to from say M 20 to M18. I think they left off the 1 in front. Typical copy editing)
Voids are Inv saves that work vs mortal wounds, gets weaker as the titan loses health.
Turbolaser is still probably strongest, but less shots with 2d6 damage. Plasma blastgun is 2d6 shots with 3 damage, so better against elite infantry units. Can overcharge.
Vulcan Megabolter and Inferno gun are now pretty useful since they can overwatch.
Double the old point cost.



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 Sledgehammer wrote:
Marauder bombers are better at shooting other zooming flyers than a vendetta........

A guardsman is better at shooting other flyers than a vendetta.....

Vendettas are better at shooting vehicles flying over 700 miles an hour when it is stationary........

bs modifiers when shooting with a lightning as are follows: -1 to bs for moving (mandatory) -1 to bs for hard to hit, and +1 to hit for it's autocannon. This gak is is indefensibly bad.

Seriously this edition is pretty cool so far, but the way flyers work is so stupid.

Vendetta is a gunship, so other fliers being better at shooting aircraft is a good thing.
Lightning and Thunderbolt are now 3+ to shoot base, while they used to be BS3 before, countering their -1 for moving. So no net change against fliers, and +1 against ground targets. Both became far more durable, and only are 10 points more expensive for a base loadout than in 7th. They are huge winners of this edition.

Most annoying army in the game that I thought up: big circle of earthshaker batteries. Inside are 50+ individual dual heavy bolter tarantulas. Some characters hide in the middle. Everything can shoot into melee, morale does not matter because it is all single model units in infinite bubble wraps. Earthshakers can shoot at anything anywhere on the table. Every model is a pain to kill in melee.

Ex: 6 Earthshakers and 50 bolter tarans leaves you 290 points for characters or more stuff in a 2k list. CPs limited only by how many HQs you bring.

Dear lord.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 ncshooter426 wrote:
Titans? I am ordering the physical books - just curoius about my warhound

75 power, S10 T9 35 wounds, 3+ save. 4 damage steps (typo it looks like, since it goes from M 24 to M8, 6, 4 while the other titans go to from say M 20 to M18. I think they left off the 1 in front. Typical copy editing)
Voids are Inv saves that work vs mortal wounds, gets weaker as the titan loses health.
Turbolaser is still probably strongest, but less shots with 2d6 damage. Plasma blastgun is 2d6 shots with 3 damage, so better against elite infantry units. Can overcharge.
Vulcan Megabolter and Inferno gun are now pretty useful since they can overwatch.
Double the old point cost.



Automatically Appended Next Post:

 Sledgehammer wrote:
Marauder bombers are better at shooting other zooming flyers than a vendetta........

A guardsman is better at shooting other flyers than a vendetta.....

Vendettas are better at shooting vehicles flying over 700 miles an hour when it is stationary........

bs modifiers when shooting with a lightning as are follows: -1 to bs for moving (mandatory) -1 to bs for hard to hit, and +1 to hit for it's autocannon. This gak is is indefensibly bad.

Seriously this edition is pretty cool so far, but the way flyers work is so stupid.

Vendetta is a gunship, so other fliers being better at shooting aircraft is a good thing.
Lightning and Thunderbolt are now 3+ to shoot base, while they used to be BS3 before, countering their -1 for moving. So no net change against fliers, and +1 against ground targets. Both became far more durable, and only are 10 points more expensive for a base loadout than in 7th. They are huge winners of this edition.

None of this excuses the fact that it is penalized for moving, and is less effective at shooting down other aircraft than some guy on the ground with an anti tank weapon.

The Valkyrie itself while having the official classification as dropship/gunship still has the general flight characteristics of a standard aircraft.The only difference being that it is simultaneously capable of generating vertical thrust (this only makes it more maneuverable). What this means is that the valkyrie itself flies like any other aircraft. Aircraft themselves tend to be pretty freaking stable weapons platforms considering they can move as quickly as they do. Couple this with a sophisticated fly by wire system and you have an aircraft that is for all intents and purposes unaffected by subtle changes in air pressure and buffeting. It therefore stands to reason that a forward facing weapon on an aircraft such as the vendetta should not be affected by movement.

Tanks need gyroscopic stabilizers for a reason, otherwise they would be pretty useless on the move. This is why the turret weapons on the lemon russ can ignore that penality. Guess what, we have had gyroscopic sights and stabilizers on aircraft since ww2......

I'm fine with vendettas hitting other flyers on 5s, but It makes no sense for them to be hitting other zooming flyers on 6s.