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2017/06/11 05:30:53
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - 2017 Edition!
-Loki- wrote: 'Phased out'? Doubtful. CB have said after TAGLine they will go back to QK only, however.
Phased out of current situation. If she'd be a replacement pilot for a manned TAG it'd mean Aleph and PanO couldn't field her after Scarface is no longer available. It'd wouldn't surprise me, if they'd introduce replacement or simply decide against the original plan. There are other ways to include a mercenary pilot, from being able to also include other TAG in your army as long as Beba is taken as the pilot. It'd lead to odd situations and a page of rules to explain how her interaction works. I'd prefer to see Beba and her TAG being available on their own as opposed including a TAG in a six character box.
I'm really just interested in Emily, buying entire box just for her is far from ideal.
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2017/06/11 05:42:59
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - 2017 Edition!
Uhahu, I think, would be the interesting one out of the set. So far, CB haven't sculpted any kids. It'll be interesting to see how she scales up with the rest of the line. I'd also be curious if the Oniwaban guy and Jethro will be sculpted with their masks on, considering Knauf wasn't.
I hope the Oniwaban has the mask on...though I also hope he has a syringe sculpted on him somewhere.
This release has honestly almost got me to order an Anaconda straight up. The only thing holding me back is not knowing what faction she is. If she is a faction I don't play I will get one and paint it as Stallion Jack, but if she is attachable to QK or USAriadna then I will need to link the scheme a bit.
Can't wait to see the models and profiles.
Glory is fleeting. Obscurity is forever.
2017/06/11 09:28:06
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - 2017 Edition!
ImAGeek wrote: Sure, but they're not forgotten about or on the back burner (they'll be working on them, and the other sectorials in the book, now presumably), they just aren't out yet.
In all honesty, I can get the feeling of fatigue at waiting for Acheron Falls to finally come out.
And to be honest, all of the recent out-of-scale repackages and the news of the new boardgame (and even the manga) have left me utterly cold to CBannounced release schedule. And it hasn't helped that they also formed the main bottleneck in Modiphius's RPG development. I mean, Modiphius was able to fund and release the initial wave of physical books for their Conan line before I even got a finalized PDF for the Infinity RPG that was in development months before the Conan KS even started. Their development bottleneck is so bad that not even licensees can escape its pull!
We've been waiting on Acheron Falls since before we even knew we were getting a 3rd Edition. Hell, it has been a known factor since before Campaign Paradiso dropped. And in that time it has gone from being a Human Sphere sized magnum opus to something between that and the original Campaign Paradiso. Armies have been added, cut, and shuffled around in the shadows and it is hard to build up any excitement over such a release when it feels like the run up to its release has us donning Xenu's Paradoxical Running Shoes of Futility.
Release schedules have never been CB's strong suit. The one book per two year model just makes it really hard to maintain excitement about the game and no matter how many times CB say "we've cut content from this book to get it out faster" it still never happens any faster than it did before (though in the case of stuff like Campaign Paradiso, it managed to come out incredibly late while also feeling hopelessly rushed).
So even if we know AF exists in some capacity, it is hard not to feel like every single sectorial in that book isn't on a backburner for years at this point. To say nothing of the factions cut from that book in the first place. I know they're a small company, and I know they are carefully controlling their growth, but these delays on new material are starting to get onerous after all these years.
Repackages are to cut down on SKUs, which CB has been very transparent about. If this facilitates more shops stocking Infinity, which has a fairly bewildering range of models, then it's all good - the community grows, CB gets more revenue to employ more staff, and their capacity to release new models is increased. CB are not the only miniatures company moving towards starter packs, boxed sets and reduced SKUs, it's very much in-trend at the moment. In terms of getting resculpts, personally I like a lot of the older models, and don't really care about the scale. The Umbra Samaritan, which is a pretty recent model, is significantly oversized. CB moved to the silhouette system so that they weren't constrained in their design, so it's all good - people come in all shapes and sizes. When you put the models next to each other are they so significantly different that you feel you are unable to effectively play the game with them? Does this lack of consistency in size really spoil your enjoyment of the game? There seems to be a lot of hyperbole and faux annoyance surrounding this issue, and I have never met anyone in real life who has a problem with it. If you really think it's that bad, just proxy - even at tournaments most TOs don't really care if you proxy as long as they look fairly similar, and there are countless miniature lines to find alternatives from.
In terms of 'waiting' for Acheron Falls, why not just play Paradiso? I ran a very popular Paradiso campaign at my local club, and the concerns about it not being compatible with N3 are very much unfounded. The missions in there are fantastic, and the campaign system works well. If that's not your cup of tea the Tagline narrative campaign is also great. There's also the current Wotan campaign, which lends itself to narrative gaming - I ran a tournament just today based upon Wotan. Lots of narrative gaming facilitated by CB with very little effort required to get up and running. There's also nothing stopping you from creating your own narrative campaigns - just the other weekend a friend of mine ran a two day home-brew narrative tournament, and there's a couple others coming up around the UK in the next couple of weeks. Be the change you want to see.
Finally, CB are a small company, which allows them to form great connections with the community. I'm running an event in August and CB are sending lots of free prize support to me for that, and I have a direct channel to the person in overall charge of tournaments - just the other day we had a chat via PM on the forums. Customer service and satisfaction are fundamental to the way CB work, and if that means things come a little slowly then so be it. Would much rather have that and a slow release schedule than being shamelessly price-gouged by a large company with little customer interaction but a rapid release schedule. If you don't feel the same way then I'm not sure what to say, other than the way CB operate is very unlikely to change in the near future, and that perhaps you could apply to work for them, as I understand they are looking to hire and expand. At the moment there is literally one person in charge of the fluff, so of course there will be bottlenecks if we want a consistent timeline - again, we've all had experience of the opposite approach as espoused by GW. CB have been very transparent and open about their release schedule, so if you want to wait for a sectorial you have an idea of how far away it might be. There's a Shasvastii resculpt coming at some point in the future, but it will be after Svarlheim Pan O, Kazaks, the new Tohaa sectorial and the new Haqq sectorial. I can't wait and I really like the Shasvastii models so I'll be buying them anyway - I could hold on, but I don't want to. We all know what's coming so the choice is there for you too - at least CB don't invalidate whole swathes of models when they bring out a new release, it's just a resculpt of an existing profile.
Glad to see someone with highlighting the positive goals & results from CB over the past few years.
I am by no means a fanboy. They have their failings. But too often that is the ONLY thing we focus on here.
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Is that a natural 21?
Nomads & Yu Jing
2017/06/14 00:23:44
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - 2017 Edition!
Muse On Minis is launching their new Infinity terrain this weekend with a $50 discount for buying a full table set. It's pretty sweet stuff if you don't want to paint your own.
Love the painting on those, but they are pretty much just boxes... wish they had invested some time in designing some buildings with a little more flair (stairs, second floor balconies, anything really). Will hold for the details on the objective room, though
AduroT wrote: Muse On Minis is launching their new Infinity terrain this weekend with a $50 discount for buying a full table set. It's pretty sweet stuff if you don't want to paint your own.
Alpharius wrote: They do look VERY nice, and if I didn't already own a TON of terrain for Infinity, I'd probably be picking this up...
Me too. It is a lot of terrain for the money. I don't mind the blockiness too much, but a further accessories set with masts and signs and things would help a lot.
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2017/06/15 18:53:44
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - 2017 Edition!
I picked up a set at MuseOnCon after seeing it in action and I'm really happy with it.
It's heavy enough that it doesn't move around when stacked but there are also a lot of nice connector pieces if you want to make sure things don't move at all. Things connect very nicely with the walkways, barricades and ladders all slotting into the connection points securely. The tops on the buildings are also well supported to the point where you probably shouldn't glue them down and instead store all your scatter terrain inside. The eagle nests are perhaps the one piece I thought could use a bit of extra support, but I wouldn't call them fragile or expect them to break or anything. It's really well set up for a number of configurations and the bundle set provides plenty to work with.
Visually, it looks great as the foundation of a table. I agree it needs a little flare to really stand out, but the building designs are interesting and I can't overstate how nice it is to have them come in color. I'm terrible about buying terrain and never finding time to paint it and these are a fantastic shortcut that probably look better than what I'd do on my own anyway.
The objective markers the set comes with are little computer consoles that do a good job of providing a little more flare to the set, as do the shipping containers. Mixing in some interesting scatter terrain will go a long way towards decorating the set. The set itself looks great, but is mostly geared towards providing things to improve the game. A few decorative elements will go a long way towards painting a scene.
It's also worth noting, for the most part, you really don't need much in terms of stacking height here. It's hard to appreciate without models on the table, but these things sizeable, and each layer of building is just a little shorter than the profile height of a TAG. It's definitely worth a couple two story buildings to break things up farther and reduce the open firelanes on the roofs, but stacking 3 high makes for a pretty impractical tower. From the ground the buildings break up the table very quickly for the majority of models in the game.
Overall, I'm really happy with what I got from this set and I'm really looking forward to getting more games on it. It's a fantastic deal if you're looking to build an Infinity table and its basically a no-brainer if you're just getting into the game.
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2017/06/15 20:19:55
Subject: Re:The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - 2017 Edition!
ImAGeek wrote: Sure, but they're not forgotten about or on the back burner (they'll be working on them, and the other sectorials in the book, now presumably), they just aren't out yet.
In all honesty, I can get the feeling of fatigue at waiting for Acheron Falls to finally come out.
And to be honest, all of the recent out-of-scale repackages and the news of the new boardgame (and even the manga) have left me utterly cold to CBannounced release schedule. And it hasn't helped that they also formed the main bottleneck in Modiphius's RPG development. I mean, Modiphius was able to fund and release the initial wave of physical books for their Conan line before I even got a finalized PDF for the Infinity RPG that was in development months before the Conan KS even started. Their development bottleneck is so bad that not even licensees can escape its pull!
We've been waiting on Acheron Falls since before we even knew we were getting a 3rd Edition. Hell, it has been a known factor since before Campaign Paradiso dropped. And in that time it has gone from being a Human Sphere sized magnum opus to something between that and the original Campaign Paradiso. Armies have been added, cut, and shuffled around in the shadows and it is hard to build up any excitement over such a release when it feels like the run up to its release has us donning Xenu's Paradoxical Running Shoes of Futility.
Release schedules have never been CB's strong suit. The one book per two year model just makes it really hard to maintain excitement about the game and no matter how many times CB say "we've cut content from this book to get it out faster" it still never happens any faster than it did before (though in the case of stuff like Campaign Paradiso, it managed to come out incredibly late while also feeling hopelessly rushed).
So even if we know AF exists in some capacity, it is hard not to feel like every single sectorial in that book isn't on a backburner for years at this point. To say nothing of the factions cut from that book in the first place. I know they're a small company, and I know they are carefully controlling their growth, but these delays on new material are starting to get onerous after all these years.
Repackages are to cut down on SKUs, which CB has been very transparent about. If this facilitates more shops stocking Infinity, which has a fairly bewildering range of models, then it's all good - the community grows, CB gets more revenue to employ more staff, and their capacity to release new models is increased. CB are not the only miniatures company moving towards starter packs, boxed sets and reduced SKUs, it's very much in-trend at the moment. In terms of getting resculpts, personally I like a lot of the older models, and don't really care about the scale. The Umbra Samaritan, which is a pretty recent model, is significantly oversized. CB moved to the silhouette system so that they weren't constrained in their design, so it's all good - people come in all shapes and sizes. When you put the models next to each other are they so significantly different that you feel you are unable to effectively play the game with them? Does this lack of consistency in size really spoil your enjoyment of the game? There seems to be a lot of hyperbole and faux annoyance surrounding this issue, and I have never met anyone in real life who has a problem with it. If you really think it's that bad, just proxy - even at tournaments most TOs don't really care if you proxy as long as they look fairly similar, and there are countless miniature lines to find alternatives from.
In terms of 'waiting' for Acheron Falls, why not just play Paradiso? I ran a very popular Paradiso campaign at my local club, and the concerns about it not being compatible with N3 are very much unfounded. The missions in there are fantastic, and the campaign system works well. If that's not your cup of tea the Tagline narrative campaign is also great. There's also the current Wotan campaign, which lends itself to narrative gaming - I ran a tournament just today based upon Wotan. Lots of narrative gaming facilitated by CB with very little effort required to get up and running. There's also nothing stopping you from creating your own narrative campaigns - just the other weekend a friend of mine ran a two day home-brew narrative tournament, and there's a couple others coming up around the UK in the next couple of weeks. Be the change you want to see.
Finally, CB are a small company, which allows them to form great connections with the community. I'm running an event in August and CB are sending lots of free prize support to me for that, and I have a direct channel to the person in overall charge of tournaments - just the other day we had a chat via PM on the forums. Customer service and satisfaction are fundamental to the way CB work, and if that means things come a little slowly then so be it. Would much rather have that and a slow release schedule than being shamelessly price-gouged by a large company with little customer interaction but a rapid release schedule. If you don't feel the same way then I'm not sure what to say, other than the way CB operate is very unlikely to change in the near future, and that perhaps you could apply to work for them, as I understand they are looking to hire and expand. At the moment there is literally one person in charge of the fluff, so of course there will be bottlenecks if we want a consistent timeline - again, we've all had experience of the opposite approach as espoused by GW. CB have been very transparent and open about their release schedule, so if you want to wait for a sectorial you have an idea of how far away it might be. There's a Shasvastii resculpt coming at some point in the future, but it will be after Svarlheim Pan O, Kazaks, the new Tohaa sectorial and the new Haqq sectorial. I can't wait and I really like the Shasvastii models so I'll be buying them anyway - I could hold on, but I don't want to. We all know what's coming so the choice is there for you too - at least CB don't invalidate whole swathes of models when they bring out a new release, it's just a resculpt of an existing profile.
Glad to see someone with highlighting the positive goals & results from CB over the past few years.
I am by no means a fanboy. They have their failings. But too often that is the ONLY thing we focus on here.
Thanks man. I do feel like CB come in for a lot of unfounded criticism, most of it due to them being a small company who focus on creativity to keep things fresh. Check out the Fat Yuan Yuan missions for example; they're genius! One thing I can guarantee is that they don't make these decisions to piss people off.
2017/06/19 09:22:48
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - 2017 Edition!
ImAGeek wrote: Sure, but they're not forgotten about or on the back burner (they'll be working on them, and the other sectorials in the book, now presumably), they just aren't out yet.
In all honesty, I can get the feeling of fatigue at waiting for Acheron Falls to finally come out.
And to be honest, all of the recent out-of-scale repackages and the news of the new boardgame (and even the manga) have left me utterly cold to CBannounced release schedule. And it hasn't helped that they also formed the main bottleneck in Modiphius's RPG development. I mean, Modiphius was able to fund and release the initial wave of physical books for their Conan line before I even got a finalized PDF for the Infinity RPG that was in development months before the Conan KS even started. Their development bottleneck is so bad that not even licensees can escape its pull!
We've been waiting on Acheron Falls since before we even knew we were getting a 3rd Edition. Hell, it has been a known factor since before Campaign Paradiso dropped. And in that time it has gone from being a Human Sphere sized magnum opus to something between that and the original Campaign Paradiso. Armies have been added, cut, and shuffled around in the shadows and it is hard to build up any excitement over such a release when it feels like the run up to its release has us donning Xenu's Paradoxical Running Shoes of Futility.
Release schedules have never been CB's strong suit. The one book per two year model just makes it really hard to maintain excitement about the game and no matter how many times CB say "we've cut content from this book to get it out faster" it still never happens any faster than it did before (though in the case of stuff like Campaign Paradiso, it managed to come out incredibly late while also feeling hopelessly rushed).
So even if we know AF exists in some capacity, it is hard not to feel like every single sectorial in that book isn't on a backburner for years at this point. To say nothing of the factions cut from that book in the first place. I know they're a small company, and I know they are carefully controlling their growth, but these delays on new material are starting to get onerous after all these years.
Repackages are to cut down on SKUs, which CB has been very transparent about. If this facilitates more shops stocking Infinity, which has a fairly bewildering range of models, then it's all good - the community grows, CB gets more revenue to employ more staff, and their capacity to release new models is increased. CB are not the only miniatures company moving towards starter packs, boxed sets and reduced SKUs, it's very much in-trend at the moment. In terms of getting resculpts, personally I like a lot of the older models, and don't really care about the scale. The Umbra Samaritan, which is a pretty recent model, is significantly oversized. CB moved to the silhouette system so that they weren't constrained in their design, so it's all good - people come in all shapes and sizes. When you put the models next to each other are they so significantly different that you feel you are unable to effectively play the game with them? Does this lack of consistency in size really spoil your enjoyment of the game? There seems to be a lot of hyperbole and faux annoyance surrounding this issue, and I have never met anyone in real life who has a problem with it. If you really think it's that bad, just proxy - even at tournaments most TOs don't really care if you proxy as long as they look fairly similar, and there are countless miniature lines to find alternatives from.
In terms of 'waiting' for Acheron Falls, why not just play Paradiso? I ran a very popular Paradiso campaign at my local club, and the concerns about it not being compatible with N3 are very much unfounded. The missions in there are fantastic, and the campaign system works well. If that's not your cup of tea the Tagline narrative campaign is also great. There's also the current Wotan campaign, which lends itself to narrative gaming - I ran a tournament just today based upon Wotan. Lots of narrative gaming facilitated by CB with very little effort required to get up and running. There's also nothing stopping you from creating your own narrative campaigns - just the other weekend a friend of mine ran a two day home-brew narrative tournament, and there's a couple others coming up around the UK in the next couple of weeks. Be the change you want to see.
Finally, CB are a small company, which allows them to form great connections with the community. I'm running an event in August and CB are sending lots of free prize support to me for that, and I have a direct channel to the person in overall charge of tournaments - just the other day we had a chat via PM on the forums. Customer service and satisfaction are fundamental to the way CB work, and if that means things come a little slowly then so be it. Would much rather have that and a slow release schedule than being shamelessly price-gouged by a large company with little customer interaction but a rapid release schedule. If you don't feel the same way then I'm not sure what to say, other than the way CB operate is very unlikely to change in the near future, and that perhaps you could apply to work for them, as I understand they are looking to hire and expand. At the moment there is literally one person in charge of the fluff, so of course there will be bottlenecks if we want a consistent timeline - again, we've all had experience of the opposite approach as espoused by GW. CB have been very transparent and open about their release schedule, so if you want to wait for a sectorial you have an idea of how far away it might be. There's a Shasvastii resculpt coming at some point in the future, but it will be after Svarlheim Pan O, Kazaks, the new Tohaa sectorial and the new Haqq sectorial. I can't wait and I really like the Shasvastii models so I'll be buying them anyway - I could hold on, but I don't want to. We all know what's coming so the choice is there for you too - at least CB don't invalidate whole swathes of models when they bring out a new release, it's just a resculpt of an existing profile.
Glad to see someone with highlighting the positive goals & results from CB over the past few years.
I am by no means a fanboy. They have their failings. But too often that is the ONLY thing we focus on here.
Thanks man. I do feel like CB come in for a lot of unfounded criticism, most of it due to them being a small company who focus on creativity to keep things fresh. Check out the Fat Yuan Yuan missions for example; they're genius! One thing I can guarantee is that they don't make these decisions to piss people off.
Not uncommon on these boards. Wyrd gets the same criticism.
2017/06/19 20:21:17
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - 2017 Edition!
Would much rather they have shown off the only thing "unseen" for this month in the form of the "Dolly Dagger" crew since we've had renders for quite some time on the rest of the releases.
2017/06/20 14:51:05
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - 2017 Edition!
Kanluwen wrote: Would much rather they have shown off the only thing "unseen" for this month in the form of the "Dolly Dagger" crew since we've had renders for quite some time on the rest of the releases.
Every time you say "Unseen" I think Harmony Gold hire a new lawyer. And possibly kill a kitten.
I have to admit, as much as I am very keen to see the Dolly Dagger crew, I am also sort of baffled by their existence. They are exactly the kind of merc outfit a would-be merc play would want to build for N3, but until those merc outfits are published, this isn't possible, right?
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Kanluwen wrote: Would much rather they have shown off the only thing "unseen" for this month in the form of the "Dolly Dagger" crew since we've had renders for quite some time on the rest of the releases.
Ahmm... Well... maybe WE (hardcore fans) have already seen low quality mobile phone JPGs in this same forum thread while ago... anyway, I think that we are not supposed to be "mayor exposure" and I think that is why they paint the miniatures and publish them on social media and youtube and stuff...
...because maybe they want to show their stuff and reach as much people as they could...
... in order to promote the game...
...so more players jump in...
...and therefore they shell more stuff...
Just my point there.
2017/06/20 16:26:13
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - 2017 Edition!
Kanluwen wrote: Would much rather they have shown off the only thing "unseen" for this month in the form of the "Dolly Dagger" crew since we've had renders for quite some time on the rest of the releases.
Ahmm... Well... maybe WE (hardcore fans) have already seen low quality mobile phone JPGs in this same forum thread while ago... anyway, I think that we are not supposed to be "mayor exposure" and I think that is why they paint the miniatures and publish them on social media and youtube and stuff...
...because maybe they want to show their stuff and reach as much people as they could...
... in order to promote the game...
...so more players jump in...
...and therefore they shell more stuff...
Just my point there.
And just so we're clear:
They don't do that. They give their videos out to "partners" who then publish the stuff. Some of them(Ash from Guerilla Games) do a good job of trying to do what you're talking about.
Others? It's just part of the daily blast of whatever info.
2017/06/20 18:53:01
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - 2017 Edition!
No comments on the mini? Okay, I'll start. Meh. I like much of the new YJ aesthetic, but this mini is just meh. The static greatcoat and the very obtrusive TREQ are unappealing. (In My Opinion™) Pass.
Was there a rumor that the Riot Grrl renders shown were WIPs? I thought that I heard that they were not the final sculpts.
A reminder of what is still coming:
USAriadna Airborne Ranger Molotok
Yu Jing Zhanying hacker Nomads Riot Grrls box
Rodok Missile launcher
Sukeul Missile launcher
6 model box - no profiles yet Emily, Beba, Domovoi, Nakadai, Uhahu, Jethro
repacks:
Teutonic knights
Ekdromoi 2 blister
And a GenCon announcement at some point very soon.
2017/06/20 18:55:39
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - 2017 Edition!
