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 Kanluwen wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I'm sure we already know this but...what's going to be in Paradiso N3 then?

(Please?)

Varuna for PanO
Tunguska for Nomads
Ramah Task Force for Haqqislam
Invincible Army for Yu Jing
supposedly a Tohaa Sectorial
Kazaks for Ariadna

Don't know what for Combined Army, if anything. Same with ALEPH. Everything I've heard about Vedic points to it being in the book after, alongside the Svalarheima Sectorials for PanO and Yu Jing, the Khanate for Haqqislam, and Merovingians for Ariadna.

Shasvastii for Combined are planned for it, and I'm pretty sure Vedic are too. I've not seen anything that mentions it being the book after.

Yes, the new and improved Shasvastii for combined and la Force nouvelle et améliorée Merovingienne, for Ariadna, and the White Banner (Yu Jing Svalarheim) and possibly an 0-12 sectorial (doubtful.) and at least 1 merc sectorial, the White Star. plus the usual suspects, including a Tohaa sectorial.

I have the impression that CB revised their publishing plans more than they have let on, and more than they thought that they would need to do. They have acknowledged that they needed to revise the ruleset, N3 before proceeding with more shiny and new. Then they realized that simply supplying a FAQ/errata for Human Sphere would not do, so they revised that. Now, I think they are planning to make Paradiso N3 -- it is essentially confirmed?-- not just a rewrite of Paradiso N2, but will also take the opportunity to introduce all the new sectorials in it.

All far into the future. We've got the GenCon seminar coming up in 2 weeks, so maybe some of the blanks, Bostrai will fill them then.

 Kanluwen wrote:

supposedly a Tohaa Sectorial

Aubergine sectoral.

 Red Harvest wrote:
Yes, the new and improved Shasvastii for combined and la Force nouvelle et améliorée Merovingienne, for Ariadna, and the White Banner (Yu Jing Svalarheim) and possibly an 0-12 sectorial (doubtful.) and at least 1 merc sectorial, the White Star. plus the usual suspects, including a Tohaa sectorial.

I have the impression that CB revised their publishing plans more than they have let on, and more than they thought that they would need to do. They have acknowledged that they needed to revise the ruleset, N3 before proceeding with more shiny and new. Then they realized that simply supplying a FAQ/errata for Human Sphere would not do, so they revised that. Now, I think they are planning to make Paradiso N3 -- it is essentially confirmed?-- not just a rewrite of Paradiso N2, but will also take the opportunity to introduce all the new sectorials in it.

Actually, not "all the new sectorials". MRRF is, at last I heard, still heavily under redesign. It was not going to make Paradiso's rewrite.
The same with Shasvastii; although SEF is purportedly heavily being focused upon right now with an aim towards it being in the nuParadiso...which is tentatively slated for 2018.
Tunguska is purportedly done/finishing up now, same with the Russians, Varuna, and the Immortal Army. Last I heard the Ramah Task Force was basically done and just waiting for the book to drop.
I've heard basically nothing about the Vedic Sectorial, beyond "book after nuParadiso most likely Paradiso maybe". Them getting a new unit was a huge surprise to a lot of people.

White Banner(and the PanO opposite) were almost literally called out as being in the book after Paradiso, since none of the White Banner units were really emblematic of Paradiso's historical bend on things.
Varuna, the Russians(well--Ariadnan Expeditionary Force really but since they were broken up into forces based upon the whole national lines...), Tunguska, Ramah Task Force, and the Immortal Army--along with the opposing force of the Combined Army's Morat Aggression Force and what we now think of as the Onyx Contact Force are a Big Deal to that bit of lore.

The Tohaa Sectorial is purportedly the Triumvirate, which would even fit into this since they were responsible for diverting the second colony vessel from Dawn to Paradiso and basically conducting their own private version of "Alien: Covenant" and "Prometheus" on the settlers.


This is all dealing with rules, etc mind you--not models.

All far into the future. We've got the GenCon seminar coming up in 2 weeks, so maybe some of the blanks, Bostrai will fill them then.

I guarantee you that if these things were closer, we would have seen some of it at Interplanetario.

I would be surprised, by the by, if we don't see the Blackjacks at GenCon. They looooooooove showing off USARF stuff at GenCon because 'Merica or whatever.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I'm sure we already know this but...what's going to be in Paradiso N3 then?

(Please?)

Varuna for PanO
Tunguska for Nomads
Ramah Task Force for Haqqislam
Invincible Army for Yu Jing
supposedly a Tohaa Sectorial
Kazaks for Ariadna

Don't know what for Combined Army, if anything. Same with ALEPH. Everything I've heard about Vedic points to it being in the book after, alongside the Svalarheima Sectorials for PanO and Yu Jing, the Khanate for Haqqislam, and Merovingians for Ariadna.

Well, that's 3 Sectorials I'm interested in right there, with the RTF leading the way!

Thanks for that list/update - much appreciated!

 Kanluwen wrote:
They looooooooove showing off USARF stuff at GenCon because 'Merica or whatever.

Heck yeah!

Ah, I missed that about the MRRF. So it'll just be the Kazaks for Ariadna. Tant pis.

I intended to say Bostria might fill in the question marks on the mini release schedule. I typed something else. Oops. Nonetheless, he may discuss something more at GenCon that was not mentioned at Interplanetario. GenCon is too big an event, and too expensive to attend, to serve just the table scraps from Interplanetario. We'll get a nice reveal or two from GenCon. The Blackjack seems likely.

A lot of my original ability to resist the game came from a dislike of the TAG designs. The Iguana is probably the model that really broke me down and got me interested in Corregidor. The new Szally is pretty much guaranteed to expand that out to the rest of the faction. Really excited for Tunguska in general as its more my style from a gameplay perspective and the redesign is looking to be completely my style aesthetically now as well.

Well, on the plus side, I will have a reason to look forward to the new Paradiso book (hopefully they fix the endemic issues with the Paradiso campaign system and make Spec-ops worth taking in it; and maybe use the extra time to better playtest/edit the campaign mission). On the other hand, looks like we wont be getting that until some time in 2018 and it means yet another delay in release for Acheron Falls (which we're unlikely to see before 2020 at this point). Oh well, it will be fun to finally see the Invincible sectorial on the table, and perhaps the spec-ops system will actually be fun this time around. It should also make Paradiso feel like a meatier release than it did last time around when it was basically just a handful of filler units for some sectorials (and the Tohaa). So even if the campaign system ends up being naff again, the background and new units should be worth the price of admission.

I've given up on Acheron Falls. At this point, I'd rather see CB get everything into Paradiso N3-- all the sectorials, and the new units ( and, >:| new rules and weapons and ammo...) the updated Spec Ops and the improved Paradiso campaign and scenarios. And just forget about a 4th book.

See I don't care about PN3 as I'm interested in where the story will go as I don't like it when games are static in time so I'm still interested in book 4. I suspect some of the slow down has been the RPG as one of the writers for that mentioned that outside what was in existing books nothing really existed setting wise and there was a very long wait for Gutier to put everything down on paper.

 Monkeysloth wrote:
See I don't care about PN3 as I'm interested in where the story will go as I don't like it when games are static in time so I'm still interested in book 4. I suspect some of the slow down has been the RPG as one of the writers for that mentioned that outside what was in existing books nothing really existed setting wise and there was a very long wait for Gutier to put everything down on paper.

Not so much CB writing anything. Mostly down to Modiphius writing out the background, getting it to CB/Gutier for approval and then getting hit with a bunch of rewrites based on secret plot points and developments Gutier never divulged previously. Modiphius may write something that conflicted with the unwritten canon or upcoming plans and so they had to rewrite most of the background chapters several times to meet CB's approval.

But since Modiphius hires out to freelancers, CB's writing input is mostly just email correspondence and redlines on the text rather than substantial contributions to the text. CB were merely another set of editors when it came down to it.

Either way, this long wait on the next rulebook is about par for the course with CB. If anything, it shows they've improved in a way since they have so much other stuff on their plate, but it is still a bit grating to always have to wait a minimum of two years in between book releases. At least with most of the re-writes and wrinkles out of the way we'll hopefully have Modiphius giving us some official background content while we wait (at least I pray the release of the corebook will smooth over further delays with regards to CB approvals).

But as always, the wait will be well worth it.

A Warcor named Phlyk has posted up high-res images from Bostria's Interplanetario seminar.
It includes the stuff from Outrage and the Beyond packs.

Phlyk has granted permission, so here comes the boom! There will be a LOT of images, so be warned
NEW RELEASES

October and November have some question marks for releases, so we'll have to see what's what there...

Renders of forthcoming units:
Nomads
Taskmasters


Ariadna
Volunteers box

And yes, she does have a double barreled shotgun on the far right. That's the Caledonian Light Shotgun, according to the dossiers(check Phlyk's blog to see)
The box contains from left to right:
Chain Rifle, Light Grenade Launcher, HMG, and Light Shotgun

General Release Grunt Intel SpecOps


Haqqislam
New Hassassin starter

The dossier for the Muyibs definitely confirms that the starter Muyib has Rifle+LGL.

New Muyibs


Tohaa
Neema--new model; it's her Spitfire profile


Combined Army
Pneumarch HVT


Umbra Legate with Spitfire


The much lusted after Nexus Operative--helpfully with the Combi-Rifle profile to open with


Mercenaries
Scarface general release


Cube Jaeger--these are starting out as an ITS prize model.


PanOceania
...Who?
Starlord Locust!


Joan of Arc

She's standing on a tactical Umbra Legate, and this marks her fifth(?!) model.

Crusader Brethren with Multi-Rifle and Light Flamethrower


Yu Jing
Kanren Counter-Insurgency Operative

She will include Mad Traps!

SHIKAMI!



Parting shot:

Szalamandra will be mine...

Should be her 4th model

Original, mk2 high mobility armour (that can and not count as her model), limited edition, and new normal release.

Thank you very much for posting all of that here Kan!

Where does Shikami go again?

And that Szalamandra... Grrrr....

Yu Jing/ JSA, quite an interesting HI.

Yeah, super jump + climbing plus, ODD, specialist. I like the Shikami (in theory, I haven't played it. Seems like a lot of fun though).

I've been increasingly all in on Nomads, but I've wanted to do a JSA biker gang for a while as well. The Shikami is definitely going to make that a reality sooner than later, though I'm sad there's only one model for a profile that has Duo at the moment.

You only need one to create a Fireteam Duo.

 Monkeysloth wrote:
See I don't care about PN3 as I'm interested in where the story will go as I don't like it when games are static in time so I'm still interested in book 4. I suspect some of the slow down has been the RPG as one of the writers for that mentioned that outside what was in existing books nothing really existed setting wise and there was a very long wait for Gutier to put everything down on paper.

CB can advance the story through other means, such as the backgrounds in the Dire Foes sets. With new sectorials coming, and updated Spec Ops, and given that the Dire Foes sold well, according to Bostria, there will be more of these. Also, through the Manga. I bet CB would like to do another. GW solved the storyline issue through the Black Library. CB has very creative and competent people. I'm certain they will figure out better ways to keep the story going without needing to use rule books.

What's up with the Gropinator on the Jeanne D'Arc mini? Tacky. Locust hacker stole Tuareg hacker's pose.

Szalamandra isn't listed as a release in Sept/Oct/Nov. Maybe December?

Kinda think a lot of CA players will use the Pneamarch as a Nexus Hacker since it looks so similar in design.

Hell I'll probably do that.

 Micky wrote:
Kinda think a lot of CA players will use the Pneamarch as a Nexus Hacker since it looks so similar in design.

Hell I'll probably do that.

Why bother?

The Combi Rifle variant is what the Hacker profile has.

 Kanluwen wrote:


Why bother?

Because even in vanilla CA they are AVA 2? And some people don't like using multiples of the same model?

 Red Harvest wrote:
I've given up on Acheron Falls. At this point, I'd rather see CB get everything into Paradiso N3-- all the sectorials, and the new units ( and, >:| new rules and weapons and ammo...) the updated Spec Ops and the improved Paradiso campaign and scenarios. And just forget about a 4th book.

Acheron Falls is Paradiso N3 - it is and always has been the working title for the updated campaign book. The original Paradiso book was amazing so I'm ridiculously excited for the new campaign system, no matter what sectorials make it into the book.

As an aside, I think there's a bit of naivety when it comes to understanding just how much work goes into their new releases. This is CB after all - they make an effort to playtest and balance and if this leads to a longer lead time for new releases then I'm all for it. We've all seen the alternative...

em, no it is not Paradiso N3 is Paradiso N3, whatever name the new book has it will be the new book.

I'm am choosing to believe the ????? in November is a new Hospitaller box to go along with Joan.

 tyrannosaurus wrote:


Acheron Falls is Paradiso N3 - it is and always has been the working title for the updated campaign book. The original Paradiso book was amazing so I'm ridiculously excited for the new campaign system, no matter what sectorials make it into the book.

As PS said, nope. It has been the working title for the book after Paradiso since at least when Paradiso released. (I started playing right before Paradiso released), and will cover events in the rest of the Human Sphere -- so go the rumors I've heard. If anything it was/will be a sequel to Human Sphere. Some of the hints that CB has shown with the Wotan campaign should give an idea about those events. Expect something about Svalarheim in Acheron Falls -- maybe a campaign? And the sectorials left out of Paradiso N3.

No matter. I would like for the game to be "completed" in the next book. It would free CB to expand the Infinity milieu in other ways ... maybe a campaign box for Svalarheim, for example. Something akin to Icestorm. Background, scenarios. maybe some terrain. Cool new minis...

While I WISH Paradiso N3 had morphed into AF so I could FINALLY have a Jotum in a Sectorial, I don't believe this is the case!

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Micky wrote:
Kinda think a lot of CA players will use the Pneamarch as a Nexus Hacker since it looks so similar in design.

Hell I'll probably do that.

Why bother?

The Combi Rifle variant is what the Hacker profile has.

Because it'll be on sale this year.

Also it may come in handy later on - we've heard that the Onyx specops will be based on the Nexus Op

It's nice to finally see what the actual Ur look like. I like seeing more aliens in the CA.