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 Barzam wrote:
It's nice to finally see what the actual Ur look like. I like seeing more aliens in the CA.

He's not actually an Ur, just an emissary for them.

 .Mikes. wrote:
I'm am choosing to believe the ????? in November is a new Hospitaller box to go along with Joan.

That would be sweet. Is there more than the one sculpt currently for them?

Just the two at the moment. The newer, 'the floor is lava' HMG:



And the super old one:

PsychoticStorm wrote:em, no it is not Paradiso N3 is Paradiso N3, whatever name the new book has it will be the new book.

Red Harvest wrote:

As PS said, nope. It has been the working title for the book after Paradiso since at least when Paradiso released. (I started playing right before Paradiso released), and will cover events in the rest of the Human Sphere -- so go the rumors I've heard. If anything it was/will be a sequel to Human Sphere. Some of the hints that CB has shown with the Wotan campaign should give an idea about those events. Expect something about Svalarheim in Acheron Falls -- maybe a campaign? And the sectorials left out of Paradiso N3.

No matter. I would like for the game to be "completed" in the next book. It would free CB to expand the Infinity milieu in other ways ... maybe a campaign box for Svalarheim, for example. Something akin to Icestorm. Background, scenarios. maybe some terrain. Cool new minis...

Seeing as we're being pedantic... as far as we know [and none of this has been confirmed] 'Acheron Falls' is the working title for the story arc that will be split over two books, the first of which is the Paradiso update, which will include new sectorials such as Tunguska, Invincible Army, Vedic etc. That's what I meant by Acheron Falls being the working title for the new campaign book. Obviously I should have clarified.

No, Infinity was always envisioned as 3 trilogies of 3 books each, Paradiso is the 3rd book of the first trilogy, working title "Acheron falls", is the first of the second trilogy.

Acheron Falls and CPN3 are different projects and always have been. Acheron Falls was in the works before even N3 as far as I remember, but they didn't have plans to update CP to N3 from the start. Acheron Falls became a 2 book project at some stage because of the size, and then when they decided to do CPN3 they said they would release some of the sectorials in there instead of waiting for Acheron Falls. That's how I understand it if I remember rightly.

PsychoticStorm wrote:No, Infinity was always envisioned as 3 trilogies of 3 books each, Paradiso is the 3rd book of the first trilogy, working title "Acheron falls", is the first of the second trilogy.

ImAGeek wrote:Acheron Falls and CPN3 are different projects and always have been. Acheron Falls was in the works before even N3 as far as I remember, but they didn't have plans to update CP to N3 from the start. Acheron Falls became a 2 book project at some stage because of the size, and then when they decided to do CPN3 they said they would release some of the sectorials in there instead of waiting for Acheron Falls. That's how I understand it if I remember rightly.

Any chance you could link me your sources as clearly I've missed something here? In the meantime check out this video at 10:20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z8vvB5FjAo

 tyrannosaurus wrote:

PsychoticStorm wrote:No, Infinity was always envisioned as 3 trilogies of 3 books each, Paradiso is the 3rd book of the first trilogy, working title "Acheron falls", is the first of the second trilogy.

ImAGeek wrote:Acheron Falls and CPN3 are different projects and always have been. Acheron Falls was in the works before even N3 as far as I remember, but they didn't have plans to update CP to N3 from the start. Acheron Falls became a 2 book project at some stage because of the size, and then when they decided to do CPN3 they said they would release some of the sectorials in there instead of waiting for Acheron Falls. That's how I understand it if I remember rightly.

Any chance you could link me your sources as clearly I've missed something here? In the meantime check out this video at 10:20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z8vvB5FjAo

That video is from last year. Acheron Falls has been talked about for years, before N3 came out.
Here's a link from 2014, when N3 came out, that's talking about the 'much anticipated' Acheron Falls, so it must've been talked about before that.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
No, Infinity was always envisioned as 3 trilogies of 3 books each, Paradiso is the 3rd book of the first trilogy, working title "Acheron falls", is the first of the second trilogy.

The last I heard of that was way back in second edition, before the game got popular. The idea also had factions/sectorials becoming redundant or emerging in a sort of historical setting as they were defeated or came to be.

While I have no inside information, I wouldn't be shocked if they shelved this 'trilogy of trilogies' idea simply based on the game being very popular now, and a quick way to dissatisfied customers is to say their stuff is no longer valid in a new edition (or even story arc), as they found out with the Exrah.

The core idea of evolving the setting is probably still the goal, but the original idea was pretty unfeasible from a commercial standpoint.

ImAGeek wrote: Acheron Falls and CPN3 are different projects and always have been

That looks like it says Campaign Paradiso on the left of the picture to me.

 tyrannosaurus wrote:

ImAGeek wrote: Acheron Falls and CPN3 are different projects and always have been

That looks like it says Campaign Paradiso on the left of the picture to me.

It also has a game of noughts and crosses going on, which even with the most tenuous of links only leads you to the Tic-Tac-Toe ITS mission.

Basically, I'm not taking anything that was written on that presentation's slides as meaning much as regards the company's direction or products.

It does. It doesn't negate what we've heard. Acheron Falls was planned well before N3 even. It was the Ficzone seminar Bostria gave in April(?) 2014, when he announced N3, that he mentioned that it was the work they were doing on the AF that convinced them they needed N3, and so they paused work on AF to produce N3.

Gutier mentioned the 3 trilogies in a Q&A session some years ago. It is somewhere on the Infinity Forum, which is currently crapping itself in various ways. Searches return a 504 error, which means I cannot find a link. I believe it is in the same Q&A where Bostria discussed the Numair and Mukhtair for Haqq. It was sometime in the summer of 2013. You can try searching. Maybe you'll have better luck.

I do not think there has been any mention of trilogies since then.

Tarik has a new skill called "Fatality" that increases his BS weapons damage, apparently.

Mentioned here.

 Chillreaper wrote:


Basically, I'm not taking anything that was written on that presentation's slides as meaning much as regards the company's direction or products.

Other than the Red Veil expansion box [#10] and Aristea! [#6] that have both now been realised?

 tyrannosaurus wrote:

 Chillreaper wrote:


Basically, I'm not taking anything that was written on that presentation's slides as meaning much as regards the company's direction or products.

Other than the Red Veil expansion box [#10] and Aristea! [#6] that have both now been realised?

Sorry, didn't mean that the seminar presentation meant nothing (although I guess that it could have looked that way!), just that it doesn't mean that it's a roadmap of things that CB are going to do and include in everything in the future.

The trilogy of trilogies... turns out Bostria discussed it at a GenCon seminar, here's a link http://infinitytheforums.com/forum/topic/18083-gencon-2013-infinity-seminar-video/?page=1 to the forum post with it. I think this is the seminar. I don't recall it being the 2012 seminar.

"Fatality" eh? Moar Rulz. >:| I'd like CB to announce the "Ya Basta" rule.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Tarik has a new skill called "Fatality" that increases his BS weapons damage, apparently.

Mentioned here.

It's really starting to feel like we're hitting special rule saturation at this point (okay, we hit it long ago... but y'all know what I mean). I mean, sure, bonus damage is something the rules don't cover in a special skill, but is it something they need to cover?

Especially since the background explanation for this one (hitting the vitals apparently) is something that could have been covered by a level of marksmanship (or if it works in close combat, levels of martial arts). Hell, if Marksmaship-X wasn't already in there (as highly situational and usually useless as it is) then this could have easily replaced it (and possibly been a bit flashier, like granting AP ammo type or even K1 or something actually mildly interesting).

Full Auto is also sounding kind of like a rule we didn't really need as well. Basically a way of producing solo rambos that can hit B5 without tacking on a link team. I'll be surprised if we don't see at least one Spitfire/HMG-wielding HI with this rule lumbering around when CPN3 hits.

It's especially odd given how many special rules we currently have that are underutilized and basically unique to a handful of models. When they introduce new special rules, I'd prefer them to be interesting game changers instead of mild stat buffs.

Things like Chain of Command, Holo, and the expansion of the Infiltrate/CH skills we got in the original HS were great since they changed the game up in massive ways. Stuff like Mechanical Transmutation (which needs to get used more) facilitated unit types that simply could not exist before. The simple, bread-and-butter special rules were handled in core. If we need more, then make them interesting new mechanics so that they at least have some kind of unique impact on play. But throwing out things that boil down to some stat buffs just doesn't seem necessary at this stage in the game's life.

So while Fatality and Full Auto are (hopefully) at least simple, they also feel kind of tacked on and unneeded from what we can see so far. They don't create units that were unheard of before, they just appear to be stat boosts to be put on run-of-the-mill beat sticks to make them a bit beat-sticky-er. The current, gigantic list of special rules is already rife with the possibility of unit types we've never seen before, why waste ink on rules that don't reshape how we play?

I'll definitely hold final judgement until I see the rules in print, but I was kind of hoping we'd seen the end of more special rules getting implemented and instead started to see them fill out stuff with interesting combinations of rules we already have.

That's exactly what I meant when I used the emoticon >:|

The new missions for the 2 expansion packs are downloadable here https://infinitythegame.com/resources/downloads Looks like 4 new missions per expansion.

Eh, Infinity is already Looking Up Rules The Game.

Everything is the same aside from their special rules so new special rules are always going to happen.

 Ronin_eX wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Tarik has a new skill called "Fatality" that increases his BS weapons damage, apparently.

Mentioned here.

It's really starting to feel like we're hitting special rule saturation at this point (okay, we hit it long ago... but y'all know what I mean). I mean, sure, bonus damage is something the rules don't cover in a special skill, but is it something they need to cover?

Especially since the background explanation for this one (hitting the vitals apparently) is something that could have been covered by a level of marksmanship (or if it works in close combat, levels of martial arts). Hell, if Marksmaship-X wasn't already in there (as highly situational and usually useless as it is) then this could have easily replaced it (and possibly been a bit flashier, like granting AP ammo type or even K1 or something actually mildly interesting).

Full Auto is also sounding kind of like a rule we didn't really need as well. Basically a way of producing solo rambos that can hit B5 without tacking on a link team. I'll be surprised if we don't see at least one Spitfire/HMG-wielding HI with this rule lumbering around when CPN3 hits.

It's especially odd given how many special rules we currently have that are underutilized and basically unique to a handful of models. When they introduce new special rules, I'd prefer them to be interesting game changers instead of mild stat buffs.

Things like Chain of Command, Holo, and the expansion of the Infiltrate/CH skills we got in the original HS were great since they changed the game up in massive ways. Stuff like Mechanical Transmutation (which needs to get used more) facilitated unit types that simply could not exist before. The simple, bread-and-butter special rules were handled in core. If we need more, then make them interesting new mechanics so that they at least have some kind of unique impact on play. But throwing out things that boil down to some stat buffs just doesn't seem necessary at this stage in the game's life.

So while Fatality and Full Auto are (hopefully) at least simple, they also feel kind of tacked on and unneeded from what we can see so far. They don't create units that were unheard of before, they just appear to be stat boosts to be put on run-of-the-mill beat sticks to make them a bit beat-sticky-er. The current, gigantic list of special rules is already rife with the possibility of unit types we've never seen before, why waste ink on rules that don't reshape how we play?

I'll definitely hold final judgement until I see the rules in print, but I was kind of hoping we'd seen the end of more special rules getting implemented and instead started to see them fill out stuff with interesting combinations of rules we already have.

There are definitely more than enough obscure rules. Enough is enough already.

CB would serve us better trying to make new combinations of existing rules with different profiles.

Many of the additions since N3 have only homogenized sectorials to make them all play more conventionally.

Hey, it could be worse, it could be Knight's Batman game where all those special rules are scattered across four rule books, except for some that only come with certain models, might be called different names in the different sources depending on translations, what they do tends to get changed by FAQs, and there's no online wiki or resource that consolidates all this info.

 AduroT wrote:
Hey, it could be worse, it could be Knight's Batman game where all those special rules are scattered across four rule books, except for some that only come with certain models, might be called different names in the different sources depending on translations, what they do tends to get changed by FAQs, and there's no online wiki or resource that consolidates all this info.

Jeez, that sounds like 7th edition of 40k..

 AduroT wrote:
Hey, it could be worse, it could be Knight's Batman game where all those special rules are scattered across four rule books, except for some that only come with certain models, might be called different names in the different sources depending on translations, what they do tends to get changed by FAQs, and there's no online wiki or resource that consolidates all this info.

That's what it was like pre-N3 and if I'm going to be honest, can definitely be the case when you're looking at the time shortly before or immediately after a book releases...

That said, looks like Blackjacks are getting revealed at GenCon. Mayacast is saying CB has a "special surprise" for the Americans at GenCon.

 Kanluwen wrote:


That said, looks like Blackjacks are getting revealed at GenCon. Mayacast is saying CB has a "special surprise" for the Americans at GenCon.

I hope not. Trolling USAriadna players is new favourite pastime.

 .Mikes. wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:


That said, looks like Blackjacks are getting revealed at GenCon. Mayacast is saying CB has a "special surprise" for the Americans at GenCon.

I hope not. Trolling USAriadna players is new favourite pastime.

USAriadna players troll themselves with constant speculation every month that they're getting something CB has said they won't get for a long time, then getting pissed off that they didn't get the thing CB told them they won't get for a long time.

Be nice if they did fast track Blackjacks though just so the whining can st...

Sorry. I almost finished that sentence without bursting out laughing.

 AduroT wrote:
Hey, it could be worse, it could be Knight's Batman game where all those special rules are scattered across four rule books, except for some that only come with certain models, might be called different names in the different sources depending on translations, what they do tends to get changed by FAQs, and there's no online wiki or resource that consolidates all this info.

Batman cards are the most disorganized thing I've ever played. Just the stupid health stat in the middle of the stats that you allocate Willpower to hurts my brain every time. Then you've got the random collection of keywords, half of which seem to just be things that change what models they work with in crew building and have no in game effect. You mentioned the rules scattered across 4 rulebooks but didn't mention that they're in 4 separate sections within each book with zero indication which section a rule belongs to (except that one with red text for some reason) or even important things like how much willpower you had to allocate to which stat to use the stupid thing. I've spreadsheeted out my characters just to sort the abilities a bit and the dumb thing is; none of it is anywhere near complicated enough to warrant that much gibberish. The only game I can think of that is anywhere close that obtuse is Monsterpocalypse.

Infinity generally does a good job with, if nothing else, organizing the profiles in an intuitive matter. MayaNet really helps but overall but Army is pretty good as well. I cannot fathom figuring the game out without one or the other, but for the most part I don't feel like I can check a profile on a model in the middle of a game and figure it out pretty cleanly on the first or second activation. Honestly though, I just wanted to vent about how badly Batman needs better card designs.

 -Loki- wrote:

 .Mikes. wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:


That said, looks like Blackjacks are getting revealed at GenCon. Mayacast is saying CB has a "special surprise" for the Americans at GenCon.

I hope not. Trolling USAriadna players is new favourite pastime.

USAriadna players troll themselves with constant speculation every month that they're getting something CB has said they won't get for a long time, then getting pissed off that they didn't get the thing CB told them they won't get for a long time.

To be fair, it's now no longer "it won't be around for a long time". Bostria's been avoiding commenting on the Blackjack for awhile.
If the Intel Grunt hadn't already been revealed, I would think that was the thing before Blackjacks.
I would also think that it was a new unit for the Kazaks...but CB has been continually tying GenCon to USARF releases for the past few years.

Be nice if they did fast track Blackjacks though just so the whining can st...

Sorry. I almost finished that sentence without bursting out laughing.

It'll be like the day Yu Jing is happy with whatever new thing gets added into the Imperial Service Sectorial...

 Kanluwen wrote:
Tarik has a new skill called "Fatality" that increases his BS weapons damage, apparently.

Mentioned here.

Really not a fan.

Having a keyword for increasing Burst or Damage is fine. It's a rather straightforward and intuitive mechanic that allows units to equip standard equipment and yet still remain special in some way.

Much better than releasing a completely new weapon profile.

 Absolutionis wrote:
Having a keyword for increasing Burst or Damage is fine. It's a rather straightforward and intuitive mechanic that allows units to equip standard equipment and yet still remain special in some way.

Much better than releasing a completely new weapon profile.

I disagree. I would rather have seen "Full Auto" be added onto weapons then become a leveled skill that will probably be on a handful of units and become a thing that will be basically unchanged until the next iteration of the Campaign: Paradiso book.