The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 85 Designer interview

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**Goobi2**

Sooo.... is this right before/after Cadia? Cuz that cant be at the same time with all the same characters halfway across the galaxy (as fast as the webway is).

Is this where they dumped off those imperials, or are these different Imps?

**StevetheDestroyeOfWorlds**

Do we have any details on formations or new stats other than the one really blurry picture?

**Digclaw**

Goobi2 wrote:
Sooo.... is this right before/after Cadia? Cuz that cant be at the same time with all the same characters halfway across the galaxy (as fast as the webway is).

Is this where they dumped off those imperials, or are these different Imps?

If the stories are simultanious, the pic could be from the end where both nstories meet up

just a thought

**Red Corsair**

Except we have a leaked pic with Cawl and greyfax surrounded by eldar.

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Considering the guy can't make up his mind on the origin of the Visarch I think it is safe to assume he is making conclusions of limited info like others have said. I am sure parts of it may turn out true but I feel like we aren't getting the right picture yet.

**Galef**

So it looks like Ynneadwraith & I have hats to eat.
It seems the Visarch was just a Dire Avenger Exarch names Laaran who followed Yvraine (not Malys) to the Dark City, became and Incubus, then Klaivex and was killed heroically on Iyanden and resurrected be Ynnead.

Lame, but it could grow on me.
If they don't even mention Yriel's fate I'll be pissed. At least make him be the sacrifice that wakes the Avatar of Ynnead for crying out load

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**Starfarer**

streetsamurai wrote:
I guess they are. It starting to seems more and more plausible that 8th editoon wil indeed AOSify 40k :/

Fantastic, if true. There is literally nothing good about the current 40k rules. They need to take a cleaver to them and trim the fat. The story changing just matches what they've already done with the game, which is allow anyone to ally with anyone. So now the fluff will just match the product thats put on the table.

I'm not a huge fan of it personally, as I'm partial to the older fluff, but we're playing a game based in an imaginary world with toy soldiers. Lets be realistic that the words on the page have no affect on how the game plays. That is the case now and will still be the case regardless of what changes are made. I can make whatever portion of that world as I see it work how I want on my gaming table. And streamlined rules mean it will be a game that is actually played on my gaming table.

**H.B.M.C.**

They talked about Cadia falling before the book came out, so I don't see why Beil-Tan being destroyed isn't something they'd talk about in WD.

But... Biel-Tan destroyed, Daemons invading Commorragh, and Cadia lost. No, there are no American tanks in Baghdad.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Via BoLS

A day late and a buck short, as always. Why does Taco Bell even bother?

**Red Corsair**

Galef wrote:
So it looks like Ynneadwraith & I have hats to eat.
It seems the Visarch was just a Dire Avenger Exarch names Laaran who followed Yvraine (not Malys) to the Dark City, became and Incubus, then Klaivex and was killed heroically on Iyanden and resurrected be Ynnead.

Lame, but it could grow on me.
If they don't even mention Yriel's fate I'll be pissed. At least make him be the sacrifice that wakes the Avatar of Ynnead for crying out load

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Ball cap or top hat?

I had a feeling it would be new characters, GW as of late hate retreading most characters that are not big names. Not sure I like that story behind the two models. Kind of idiotic that it was a dire avenger who somehow became a Klaivex... then theres the part about dying heroically on Iyanden that also doesn't seem very DE like. Big surprise I suppose when you give the job to a Dire Avenger

I'll need to get the whole story though before I totally make up my mind.

Seriously though, I hope the don't totally upend the apple cart here. I still want my Cammorrah filled with true kin and not emptied out in some garbage prefall reunited mess.

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H.B.M.C. wrote:
They talked about Cadia falling before the book came out, so I don't see why Beil-Tan being destroyed isn't something they'd talk about in WD.

But... Biel-Tan destroyed, Daemons invading Commorragh, and Cadia lost. No, there are no American tanks in Baghdad.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Via BoLS

A day late and a buck short, as always. Why does Taco Bell even bother?

Yea my thinking again as well, these are not the droids we are looking for

**Yodhrin**

Starfarer wrote:
streetsamurai wrote:
I guess they are. It starting to seems more and more plausible that 8th editoon wil indeed AOSify 40k :/

Fantastic, if true. There is literally nothing good about the current 40k rules. They need to take a cleaver to them and trim the fat. The story changing just matches what they've already done with the game, which is allow anyone to ally with anyone. So now the fluff will just match the product thats put on the table.

I'm not a huge fan of it personally, as I'm partial to the older fluff, but we're playing a game based in an imaginary world with toy soldiers. Lets be realistic that the words on the page have no affect on how the game plays. That is the case now and will still be the case regardless of what changes are made. I can make whatever portion of that world as I see it work how I want on my gaming table. And streamlined rules mean it will be a game that is actually played on my gaming table.

And as people have explained, repeatedly, the issue with AoS'ification is not that we are all somehow prevented from continuing to use old rules or old fluff, it's that most of the new models and new fluff produced won't match the old. If the new material was to be produced alongside the old that would be fine, but it won't be, it will replace the old just as AoS replaced WHF even though functionally the two are barely related and AoS could easily have been a new IP entirely.

**Joyboozer**

Yodhrin wrote:
Starfarer wrote:
streetsamurai wrote:
I guess they are. It starting to seems more and more plausible that 8th editoon wil indeed AOSify 40k :/

Fantastic, if true. There is literally nothing good about the current 40k rules. They need to take a cleaver to them and trim the fat. The story changing just matches what they've already done with the game, which is allow anyone to ally with anyone. So now the fluff will just match the product thats put on the table.

I'm not a huge fan of it personally, as I'm partial to the older fluff, but we're playing a game based in an imaginary world with toy soldiers. Lets be realistic that the words on the page have no affect on how the game plays. That is the case now and will still be the case regardless of what changes are made. I can make whatever portion of that world as I see it work how I want on my gaming table. And streamlined rules mean it will be a game that is actually played on my gaming table.

And as people have explained, repeatedly, the issue with AoS'ification is not that we are all somehow prevented from continuing to use old rules or old fluff, it's that most of the new models and new fluff produced won't match the old. If the new material was to be produced alongside the old that would be fine, but it won't be, it will replace the old just as AoS replaced WHF even though functionally the two are barely related and AoS could easily have been a new IP entirely.

I wouldn't bother trying to discuss it with someone describing it as both being fantastic, then saying they're not a huge fan of it.

**Red Corsair**

I am open for some change and advancement so long as they don't make old armies non viable as a game. For example Cadia and fenris have been ruined but I can still play IG and SW just fine.

However I have been having this troubling feeling for a while that a lot of things need to disappear. GW is not THAT big a company and with the ridiculous rapid fire release schedule we have gotten to currently there absolutely is a point where they need to kill off certain kits to make room for new ones. There are only so many kits they can produce and ship and stock in their stores. Especially since if anything GW has been shrinking in recent years.

**guru**

Translated text from B&C

Shinespider wrote:The Aeldari and the Drukhari of all obediences, besides the most conservative, joined his cause. It is not an abstract philosophical current, for the new divinity exercises manifest powers - thus, the Exhumed can appeal to the souls of the spirits-stones that they carry to strengthen their own capacities, siphoning the power of the departed, To strike with strength, and to reduce their enemies to ashes by means of their strange weapons and their psychic powers. They have learned the secrets of the dead, and have thus become closer to their ancestors and their lost glory.

However, some consider the Ynnari as corrupt by the demonic forces they pretend to subdue, and others consider them already dead. Perhaps they are right. If the Exhumeds seek to recast Eldar society in the name of Ynnead to restore the glory of the ancient Aeldari, their arrogant and coercive approach is worth as much hostility as adherence. Worse still, the danger they represent for the dark gods pushes the forces of Chaos - especially Slaanesh - to rise like an infernal tsunami to consume them. Conflict and destruction disturb the wake of the Ynnari or they go. The truth which dominates without contest is that, besides, the Exhumed are bearers of death, and profuse.

Sidebar:

Invested by the power of Ynnead, Yvraine is capable of attracting into her the souls of those who surround her, or they continue not as isotonic covenants but as voluntary allies. An outside observer believing that Yvraine bets alone, that she hears voices or that she changes her personality without transition. If one does not know one's creed, one can legitimately believe it to be mad, but the Ynnari know what it is. Their mistress has many lives in her. The Exhumed, who adamantly adore Ynnead, share an echo of his aptitude, and carry the spirit-spirits of the departed to purify their wisdom, experience, and knowledge. And the need never felt so much now that the extinction of the eldars and its shadow on the galaxy.

Ynnari=Followers of Ynnead - faction
Exhumated= Ynnari with superpowers (Yvrayne, Visarch)

**Alpharius**

Galef wrote:
So it looks like Ynneadwraith & I have hats to eat.

Link to YouTube video, please!

And I still don't think 40K gets AoS'd either - but I'd still like for it to get 3rd Edition'd.

With 9th showing up quickly thereafter to 4th/5th-ize the 3rd'd 8th, if you know what I mean?

**Starfarer**

Joyboozer wrote:
Yodhrin wrote:
Starfarer wrote:
streetsamurai wrote:
I guess they are. It starting to seems more and more plausible that 8th editoon wil indeed AOSify 40k :/

Fantastic, if true. There is literally nothing good about the current 40k rules. They need to take a cleaver to them and trim the fat. The story changing just matches what they've already done with the game, which is allow anyone to ally with anyone. So now the fluff will just match the product thats put on the table.

I'm not a huge fan of it personally, as I'm partial to the older fluff, but we're playing a game based in an imaginary world with toy soldiers. Lets be realistic that the words on the page have no affect on how the game plays. That is the case now and will still be the case regardless of what changes are made. I can make whatever portion of that world as I see it work how I want on my gaming table. And streamlined rules mean it will be a game that is actually played on my gaming table.

And as people have explained, repeatedly, the issue with AoS'ification is not that we are all somehow prevented from continuing to use old rules or old fluff, it's that most of the new models and new fluff produced won't match the old. If the new material was to be produced alongside the old that would be fine, but it won't be, it will replace the old just as AoS replaced WHF even though functionally the two are barely related and AoS could easily have been a new IP entirely.

I wouldn't bother trying to discuss it with someone describing it as both being fantastic, then saying they're not a huge fan of it.

So I'm not allowed to hold different opinions on the rulea changes and fluff changes? I pretty clearly made the distinction, I think. But if it wasn't clear, im very much looking forward to stremalined rules, and prefer older fluff, but im not going to let that bother me if the rules are good.

**Davor**

Digclaw wrote:
Goobi2 wrote:
Sooo.... is this right before/after Cadia? Cuz that cant be at the same time with all the same characters halfway across the galaxy (as fast as the webway is).

Is this where they dumped off those imperials, or are these different Imps?

If the stories are simultanious, the pic could be from the end where both nstories meet up

just a thought

This would be interesting, and different. Tell the stories on what happened and they all meet at that point in time just before everyone goes into the portal. Of course Chaos side and Xeno side will be different but will lead to that point in time and then it continues with 8th edition. I like this idea.

Time will tell if this is what it is, or if it's a continuation.

**Starfarer**

Yodhrin wrote:

And as people have explained, repeatedly, the issue with AoS'ification is not that we are all somehow prevented from continuing to use old rules or old fluff, it's that most of the new models and new fluff produced won't match the old. If the new material was to be produced alongside the old that would be fine, but it won't be, it will replace the old just as AoS replaced WHF even though functionally the two are barely related and AoS could easily have been a new IP entirely.

They already stated they arent killing the 40k universe like they did for Fantasy. I dont care if they change Dark Eldar, Eldar and Harelquins to the catchall Aelderi. It literally makes no difference to the game. If Aeldari and the Imperium become reluctant allies along with their BFF Trayzn, I dont really like it, but again, if the actual game is fun, why, ultimately, should I care?

**H.B.M.C.**

Starfarer wrote:
They already stated they arent killing the 40k universe like they did for Fantasy.

Did they? Where?

**Joyboozer**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Starfarer wrote:
They already stated they arent killing the 40k universe like they did for Fantasy.

Did they? Where?

Don't bother they never post a link!

**VeteranNoob**

StevetheDestroyeOfWorlds wrote:
Do we have any details on formations or new stats other than the one really blurry picture?

Maybe we'll get a better image tomorrow.

**shinros**

They posted again on gathering storm 2.

Warhammer 40,000: Well, the End Times was a Warhammer Fantasy event.
This is not that for.... wait, you already posted that.

The Gathering Storm is the start of a whole new exciting story arc

They are not glowing to blow up the golden goose realistically from a business stand point.

**Starfarer**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Starfarer wrote:
They already stated they arent killing the 40k universe like they did for Fantasy.

Did they? Where?

I believe via Warhammer Community or White Dwarf. Honestly didn't bother to note it too much because I have better things to do and fret about imaginary worlds ending, when we have a real one to worry about.

Joyboozer wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Starfarer wrote:
They already stated they arent killing the 40k universe like they did for Fantasy.

Did they? Where?

Don't bother they never post a link!

That's twice now you've posted something negative about me without addressing me directly. If you have a problem with what I'm posting, just say to it be directly instead of replying about me to other people in the thread.

**Davor**

Joyboozer wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Starfarer wrote:
They already stated they arent killing the 40k universe like they did for Fantasy.

Did they? Where?

Don't bother they never post a link!

How do you post a link when some one said something verbally?

**Red Corsair**

Joyboozer wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Starfarer wrote:
They already stated they arent killing the 40k universe like they did for Fantasy.

Did they? Where?

Don't bother they never post a link!

So far the only proof is Atia claiming 40k won't become AoS (paraphrasing so don't bite me). That said, they can do an awful lot to make the game similar without going full midnight on us. Case and point, killing the emperor, reuniting and altering all eldar into something bizarre etc. etc. That of course isn't the same as GW saying anything.

Speaking of which, where is Atia? Wondering if she has the digs on whats currently at hand.

**Joyboozer**

Davor wrote:
Joyboozer wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Starfarer wrote:
They already stated they arent killing the 40k universe like they did for Fantasy.

Did they? Where?

Don't bother they never post a link!

How do you post a link when some one said something verbally?

We have a massive thread I'm pretty sure I've seen you in, in general discussion on GW being better. The main excuse given is that how GW are embracing social media. Surely embracing social media would involve more than a single post saying how the end times is fantasy, the 40k equivalent is different, it's the time of ending. That's it.
That single sentence is being hailed as the miracle cure, it dispels all worries. But it says nothing, it gives no assurances about anything.

**Red Corsair**

@starfarer, no GW themselves haven't made any comments on it. People have in fact been claiming they have which I believe is where the frustration stems. We only have rumors given WAY in advance on the direction of 8th, usually the further off a rumor is, the less likely it is 100% true.

Edit: wait, wait, wait, sieriously they said that one was the end times and the other is the time of ending and people actually think that means anything?

**H.B.M.C.**

All the community post said is that it wasn't End Times, because End Times was a Warhammer Fantasy thing. Of course, this one isn't called End Times. It's called Gathering Storm.

**Red Corsair**

H.B.M.C. wrote:

All the community post said is that it wasn't End Times, because End Times was a Warhammer Fantasy thing. Of course, this one isn't called End Times. It's called Gathering Storm.

Yea pretty much, the parallels so far are incredible and I hope to be wrong but holy crap there are a lot of heads in the sand.

**rollawaythestone**

It's the age of "alternative facts" after all.

**Azreal13**

No, no, they're right.

The End Times was WHFB, 40K is getting the Tyme Of Ending™

And Sigmarines totally aren't Space Marines.

**Starfarer**

Red Corsair wrote:
@starfarer, no GW themselves haven't made any comments on it. People have in fact been claiming they have which I believe is where the frustration stems. We only have rumors given WAY in advance on the direction of 8th, usually the further off a rumor is, the less likely it is 100% true.

Edit: wait, wait, wait, sieriously they said that one was the end times and the other is the time of ending and people actually think that means anything?

Ok, so it was Atia, then. Even more reliable than GW social media in that case.

If people want to doom and gloom for the next 6 months about what might happen, I'm not going to stop them. In fact, I'm rather looking to another youtube video of some mentally unstable person setting fire to their miniature collection with the value of a small car because they wrote new stories in an imaginary world.

Some people take this stuff too seriously, and I'm not going to waste my time indulging them and their unreasonable cynicism.