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2017/01/26 16:04:33
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 17 latest info
Galef wrote: The Khaine Gate bit seems to be confirmed by a few peeps on the Eldar Facebook group who have the French WD.
Apparently Vect has been anticipating it for a while and has other Webway pockets with resources to escape to. But Commoragh is done.
Still could be fake, but it seems to mess up with what we know so far.
Given that Commoragh is not one single place in the warp, I doubt it's done.
2017/01/26 16:20:48
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 17 latest info
Galef wrote: The Khaine Gate bit seems to be confirmed by a few peeps on the Eldar Facebook group who have the French WD.
Apparently Vect has been anticipating it for a while and has other Webway pockets with resources to escape to. But Commoragh is done.
Still could be fake, but it seems to mess up with what we know so far.
Given that Commoragh is not one single place in the warp, I doubt it's done.
Sorry, I didn't mean like totally done, just....more dangerous, if that's even possible.
In the Path of the Archon books, Commoragh's sister city Shaadom was plunged into Dysjuntion (by Vect himself) long ago and it still has deamons running around in it.
Galef wrote: The Khaine Gate bit seems to be confirmed by a few peeps on the Eldar Facebook group who have the French WD.
Apparently Vect has been anticipating it for a while and has other Webway pockets with resources to escape to. But Commoragh is done.
Still could be fake, but it seems to mess up with what we know so far.
Given that Commoragh is not one single place in the warp, I doubt it's done.
Sorry, I didn't mean like totally done, just....more dangerous, if that's even possible.
In the Path of the Archon books, Commoragh's sister city Shaadom was plunged into Dysjuntion (by Vect himself) long ago and it still has deamons running around in it.
Well you probably shouldn't post such matter of fact statements then, you will just create unfounded hysteria.
Automatically Appended Next Post: With rumors of an upcoming big return of Slaanesh in the next year in both AoS and 40k, I am going to place my bet on the theory that Ynead is a manifestation of Slaanesh and not a new god and this is going to power up Slaanesh bi time. It is the weakest of the 4 Gods and has been ignored for a long time so it would make sense.
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Galef wrote: The Khaine Gate bit seems to be confirmed by a few peeps on the Eldar Facebook group who have the French WD.
Apparently Vect has been anticipating it for a while and has other Webway pockets with resources to escape to. But Commoragh is done.
Still could be fake, but it seems to mess up with what we know so far.
Given that Commoragh is not one single place in the warp, I doubt it's done.
Sorry, I didn't mean like totally done, just....more dangerous, if that's even possible.
In the Path of the Archon books, Commoragh's sister city Shaadom was plunged into Dysjuntion (by Vect himself) long ago and it still has deamons running around in it.
Well you probably shouldn't post such matter of fact statements then, you will just create unfounded hysteria.
Automatically Appended Next Post: With rumors of an upcoming big return of Slaanesh in the next year in both AoS and 40k, I am going to place my bet on the theory that Ynead is a manifestation of Slaanesh and not a new god and this is going to power up Slaanesh bi time. It is the weakest of the 4 Gods and has been ignored for a long time so it would make sense.
Already claimed that one a page back lol. Beat you too it.
Galef wrote: The Khaine Gate bit seems to be confirmed by a few peeps on the Eldar Facebook group who have the French WD.
Apparently Vect has been anticipating it for a while and has other Webway pockets with resources to escape to. But Commoragh is done.
Still could be fake, but it seems to mess up with what we know so far.
Given that Commoragh is not one single place in the warp, I doubt it's done.
Sorry, I didn't mean like totally done, just....more dangerous, if that's even possible.
In the Path of the Archon books, Commoragh's sister city Shaadom was plunged into Dysjuntion (by Vect himself) long ago and it still has deamons running around in it.
Well you probably shouldn't post such matter of fact statements then, you will just create unfounded hysteria.
With rumors of an upcoming big return of Slaanesh in the next year in both AoS and 40k, I am going to place my bet on the theory that Ynead is a manifestation of Slaanesh and not a new god and this is going to power up Slaanesh bi time. It is the weakest of the 4 Gods and has been ignored for a long time so it would make sense.
Well, Shaadom is pretty well uninhabitable for Dark Eldar. So if the Dysjuction is bad enough, Commoragh is done in a sense, though Vect seems to be making a "New Commoragh".
I kinda hope you and Nintura are right about the Slaanesh thing though. I don't like the idea of adding a new god to the lore, but making it an old god in disguise is pretty cool.
So far as it suggests, Slaanesh only consumes souls. Ynnead allows for rebirth/empowerment of some kind.
What I'm enjoying is the 'many shades' approach. Some Eldar embrace Ynnead. Some fear Ynnead. Some will change their path, others will embrace their current lifestyle - we just need to see what happens!
Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?
Galef wrote: The Khaine Gate bit seems to be confirmed by a few peeps on the Eldar Facebook group who have the French WD.
Apparently Vect has been anticipating it for a while and has other Webway pockets with resources to escape to. But Commoragh is done.
Still could be fake, but it seems to mess up with what we know so far.
Given that Commoragh is not one single place in the warp, I doubt it's done.
Sorry, I didn't mean like totally done, just....more dangerous, if that's even possible.
In the Path of the Archon books, Commoragh's sister city Shaadom was plunged into Dysjuntion (by Vect himself) long ago and it still has deamons running around in it.
Well you probably shouldn't post such matter of fact statements then, you will just create unfounded hysteria.
With rumors of an upcoming big return of Slaanesh in the next year in both AoS and 40k, I am going to place my bet on the theory that Ynead is a manifestation of Slaanesh and not a new god and this is going to power up Slaanesh bi time. It is the weakest of the 4 Gods and has been ignored for a long time so it would make sense.
Well, Shaadom is pretty well uninhabitable for Dark Eldar. So if the Dysjuction is bad enough, Commoragh is done in a sense, though Vect seems to be making a "New Commoragh".
I kinda hope you and Nintura are right about the Slaanesh thing though. I don't like the idea of adding a new god to the lore, but making it an old god in disguise is pretty cool.
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We'll find out shortly enough. If Eldrad comes out of hiding and says this is not Ynnead, then we'll know.
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: So far as it suggests, Slaanesh only consumes souls. Ynnead allows for rebirth/empowerment of some kind.
What I'm enjoying is the 'many shades' approach. Some Eldar embrace Ynnead. Some fear Ynnead. Some will change their path, others will embrace their current lifestyle - we just need to see what happens!
You know what this means right? Hopefully a new Aspect Path for Ynnead
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Galef wrote: The Khaine Gate bit seems to be confirmed by a few peeps on the Eldar Facebook group who have the French WD.
Apparently Vect has been anticipating it for a while and has other Webway pockets with resources to escape to. But Commoragh is done.
Still could be fake, but it seems to mess up with what we know so far.
Given that Commoragh is not one single place in the warp, I doubt it's done.
Sorry, I didn't mean like totally done, just....more dangerous, if that's even possible.
In the Path of the Archon books, Commoragh's sister city Shaadom was plunged into Dysjuntion (by Vect himself) long ago and it still has deamons running around in it.
Well you probably shouldn't post such matter of fact statements then, you will just create unfounded hysteria.
With rumors of an upcoming big return of Slaanesh in the next year in both AoS and 40k, I am going to place my bet on the theory that Ynead is a manifestation of Slaanesh and not a new god and this is going to power up Slaanesh bi time. It is the weakest of the 4 Gods and has been ignored for a long time so it would make sense.
Well, Shaadom is pretty well uninhabitable for Dark Eldar. So if the Dysjuction is bad enough, Commoragh is done in a sense, though Vect seems to be making a "New Commoragh".
I kinda hope you and Nintura are right about the Slaanesh thing though. I don't like the idea of adding a new god to the lore, but making it an old god in disguise is pretty cool.
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We'll find out shortly enough. If Eldrad comes out of hiding and says this is not Ynnead, then we'll know.
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: So far as it suggests, Slaanesh only consumes souls. Ynnead allows for rebirth/empowerment of some kind.
What I'm enjoying is the 'many shades' approach. Some Eldar embrace Ynnead. Some fear Ynnead. Some will change their path, others will embrace their current lifestyle - we just need to see what happens!
You know what this means right? Hopefully a new Aspect Path for Ynnead
I suspect the opposite.
The Path's are ways for Craftworlders to channel themselves, and avoid temptation etc which can lead to Slaaneshi Snack Time. With Ynnead, there's an argument there's less need for Paths,
Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?
You need the aspects for war as well as focus. You can't just remove your races method of war. If the Ynnari codex has access to Aspects, then we know they won't be removing them.
nintura wrote: You need the aspects for war as well as focus. You can't just remove your races method of war. If the Ynnari codex has access to Aspects, then we know they won't be removing them.
Do dire avengers count? They feature in one of the formations.
2017/01/26 17:41:39
Subject: Re: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 17 latest info
And what about Cegorach?
The tale was that he had a plan to trick Slaanesh, so that she would expand her power to save the Eldar instead of destroying them.
The Harlequins supposedly have more details about that plan, and they helped Eldrad summon Ynnead. Now we also know Ynnead can capture Eldars' souls, just like Slaanesh does.
I wonder if there's a connection, if the plan is to make Slaanesh change the way she goes after Eldar souls, which could create an opening for Ynnead to steal them back and resurrect the dead Eldar (or at least bring them into a proper Eldar god).
This being 40K and all, I don't think the Eldar will ever get saved, but there might still be a connection between Ynnead and Cegorach somewhere.
2017/01/26 17:43:19
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 17 latest info
nintura wrote: You need the aspects for war as well as focus. You can't just remove your races method of war. If the Ynnari codex has access to Aspects, then we know they won't be removing them.
Do dire avengers count? They feature in one of the formations.
Lots of very interesting stuff. I've finally got a solid reason to explain why my Archon is less evil than others, and why he's hanging out with those Craftworld pansies... because he chose the long-term Praise the Ynnead solution over the short-term BDSM one that many DE prefer, that's why.
Really curious about the details of the united Eldar force detachment.
Drukhari - 4.7k
Space Marines - 3.1k
Chaos Space Marines - 2.9k
Harlequins - 0.9k
2017/01/26 17:57:32
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 17 latest info
Ynneadwraith wrote: Nah I think there's a lot of potential in an eldar God of Death. Seems a bit cheap to do a scooby-doo 'it was Slaanesh under the mask all along!'.
I quite like the angle that the eldar's 'savior' might turn out to be just as insidious as Slaanesh...
Saying that, having Ynnead defeat Slaanesh totally would be a pretty shoddy thing to do...
And I would've gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for you meddling Aeldari!
Yeah it will be interesting to see what Ynnead does.
Like for the Eldar, it may well be their salvation. For everyone else in the galaxy.....hang on a minute.....you saw the only way to destroy the god of excess was to create a physical manifestation of death, the powers of which could match a chaos god?! So you keep telling us the galaxy will be yours again, and you got a God of Death walking around? Hmmmmmm.
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2017/01/26 18:02:23
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 17 latest info
Ynneadwraith wrote: Nah I think there's a lot of potential in an eldar God of Death. Seems a bit cheap to do a scooby-doo 'it was Slaanesh under the mask all along!'.
I quite like the angle that the eldar's 'savior' might turn out to be just as insidious as Slaanesh...
Saying that, having Ynnead defeat Slaanesh totally would be a pretty shoddy thing to do...
And I would've gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for you meddling Aeldari!
Yeah it will be interesting to see what Ynnead does.
Like for the Eldar, it may well be their salvation. For everyone else in the galaxy.....hang on a minute.....you saw the only way to destroy the god of excess was to create a physical manifestation of death, the powers of which could match a chaos god?! So you keep telling us the galaxy will be yours again, and you got a God of Death walking around? Hmmmmmm.
Ynneadwraith wrote: Nah I think there's a lot of potential in an eldar God of Death. Seems a bit cheap to do a scooby-doo 'it was Slaanesh under the mask all along!'.
I quite like the angle that the eldar's 'savior' might turn out to be just as insidious as Slaanesh...
Saying that, having Ynnead defeat Slaanesh totally would be a pretty shoddy thing to do...
Or, instead of beating Slaanesh , Ynnead merges with it, becoming Huge. Maybe Ynnead was a lost part of Slaanesh or something. Slaanesh is technically an Eldar god, right? It was born through Eldar emotions and ate a bunch of Eldar gods. Maybe Ynnead is a piece of it that got separated during its birth, and its absence was why Slaanesh was so hungry all the time. To put it in Freudian terms, Ynnead could be the Super-Ego to Slaanesh's Id. Which I guess would make the Eldar the Ego.
Or something like that. That's probably not going to happen.
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2017/01/26 18:18:17
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 17 latest info
Ynneadwraith wrote: Nah I think there's a lot of potential in an eldar God of Death. Seems a bit cheap to do a scooby-doo 'it was Slaanesh under the mask all along!'.
I quite like the angle that the eldar's 'savior' might turn out to be just as insidious as Slaanesh...
Saying that, having Ynnead defeat Slaanesh totally would be a pretty shoddy thing to do...
Or, instead of beating Slaanesh they Ynnead merges with it, becoming Huge. No idea what that would mean for the Ynnari though.
On one hand, I dont think the prophecy of Ynnead beating Slaanesh means physically picking a fight and winning. I think it's more attrition, making Slaanesh useless. At least for as far as Eldar are concerned. If Ynnead keeps all the Eldar souls, then they no longer have to fear Slaanesh, thereby beating him.
On the other hand, didnt he disappear from AoS? So they might make it quite literal and have Ynnead remove him.
Ynneadwraith wrote: Nah I think there's a lot of potential in an eldar God of Death. Seems a bit cheap to do a scooby-doo 'it was Slaanesh under the mask all along!'.
I quite like the angle that the eldar's 'savior' might turn out to be just as insidious as Slaanesh...
Saying that, having Ynnead defeat Slaanesh totally would be a pretty shoddy thing to do...
Or, instead of beating Slaanesh , Ynnead merges with it, becoming Huge. Maybe Ynnead was a lost part of Slaanesh or something. Slaanesh is techinically an Eldar god, right? I was born through Eldar emotions and ate a bunch of Eldar gods. Maybe Ynnead is a piece of it that got separated during its birth, and its absence was why Slaanesh was so hungry all the time. To put it in Freudian terms, Ynnead could be the Super-Ego to Slaanesh's Id. Which I guess would make the Eldar the Ego.
Or something like that. That's probably not going to happen.
You are correct that Slaanesh is an Eldar god. They said all Eldar spirits/gods will look similar to Eldar/Slaanesh, which is why the Avatar of Ynnead looks its way, because they reflect the inner Eldar.
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Could be interesting. As a concept it certainly sounds cool. Concerned it could also just involve a lot of t3 infantry being mowed down for limited perks.
2017/01/26 18:34:16
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 17 latest info
Having Ynnead turn out to be Slaanesh would be a real dick move to make, and make no sense logistical. Imagine all those ( potentially myself included as my Eldar are already red and I am repaiting my DE anyway) who are going to repaint their Eldar and buy new units from other factions, to build a nice new army. Only for in a few months time them to go "ha ha it was a trick he/she is really Slaanesh and now your whole army is dead and unusable, but look here are some new Demons you can buy"
Secondly I don't see a problem with them using existing wraith constructs, as the souls could still be absorbed on their distruction, and maybe they would even welcome this. They just wouldn't have the capacity to build new ones.
It also means DE players no longer have to play 40k on hard mode, although the challenge was quite fun.
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2017/01/26 18:38:39
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 17 latest info
deathstalker013 wrote: Having Ynnead turn out to be Slaanesh would be a real dick move to make, and make no sense logistical. Imagine all those ( potentially myself included as my Eldar are already red and I am repaiting my DE anyway) who are going to repaint their Eldar and buy new units from other factions, to build a nice new army. Only for in a few months time them to go "ha ha it was a trick he/she is really Slaanesh and now your whole army is dead and unusable, but look here are some new Demons you can buy"
Secondly I don't see a problem with them using existing wraith constructs, as the souls could still be absorbed on their distruction, and maybe they would even welcome this. They just wouldn't have the capacity to build new ones.
That doesn't mean Ynnead likes not having access to absorbing those souls.
deathstalker013 wrote: Having Ynnead turn out to be Slaanesh would be a real dick move to make, and make no sense logistical. Imagine all those ( potentially myself included as my Eldar are already red and I am repaiting my DE anyway) who are going to repaint their Eldar and buy new units from other factions, to build a nice new army. Only for in a few months time them to go "ha ha it was a trick he/she is really Slaanesh and now your whole army is dead and unusable, but look here are some new Demons you can buy"
Secondly I don't see a problem with them using existing wraith constructs, as the souls could still be absorbed on their distruction, and maybe they would even welcome this. They just wouldn't have the capacity to build new ones.
That doesn't mean Ynnead likes not having access to absorbing those souls.
But "it" can there are a bunch of soul stones swirling around her, wraithlord gets blown up he takes its soul stone. Not much different to a living Eldar.
2017/01/26 18:47:21
Subject: Re: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 17 latest info
It's twitch day.
We will edit the post with screen shots in case you miss something.
Started adding screen from the new eldar book
Transcript :
A lot of history from Eddie on the Eldar race.
In a nutshell: If they all die they can spawn Ynnead and destroy Slaanesh.
Eldrad's plan is to be able to do it without all Eldar going down. That's what happened in Death Masque but he's interrupted by a Deathwatch Kill Team and flees into the Webway. That marks the start of the Gathering Storm.
Story starts in a Dark Eldar Arena in Commoragh, during a must have ticket event. They have hybrid tyranids from leviathan/kraken.
Yvrainne : got in trouble in a craftworld by killing a seer (renegade) maybe she's a seer/aspect warrior. and fights now in the arena.
she dies in the arena but a spirit power from Death Masque (summoned by eldrad) goes into her and she becomes the Prophet of Ynnead.
Red eldar : Mysterious, armor style (or armor itself) dating back since before the fall. Respected by aspect warriors and Incubii.
Transcript by Atia :
- The book starts in Commoragh - a shard of Ynnead is there, Yvraine finds it.
- If there is too much psychic activity there - Slaanesh comes for you. So they are scared.
- Yvraine flees the city, gets saved by the Visarch - we don't know how he is.
- The Craftworlds are coming together. Eldar don't talk literally - the fracture is both the way what happens and what factions come out.
- Craftworlds weren't always one ship. Bigger than anything the imperium has, bigger than the Rock. Made up of different ships that are all stuck together.
- Biel-Tans infinity matrix has a fracture - there is a split.
- It's the kickstart Ynnead needs to get born. All the Eldar souls who are locked up there birth the new god. All the "parts" of Biel-Tan split up. It's basically a fleet now, instead of a craftworld.
- The Avatar is in the center of all the souls of eldar of Biel-Tan who died in the last 10k years. He is the proof that the prophecy of Ynnead is real. A beacon of hopes for all Eldar. They can now fight against Slaanesh.
- The Avatar is the mirror of Slaanesh - they are siblings. His power comes from Eldar souls - hence he looks quite Slaaneshi. They are made of the same stuff.
- Lots of interplay between the different Eldar factions in the book.
- When it's desperate, Eldar of all kind will fight against a common vow. Other times, they fight against each other, even Craftworlds vs Craftworlds.
- Now, the Eldar god of the dead is summoned - some see this as a hope for their race.
- These make up a new faction - basically the Eldar who believe in Ynnead. They have now a red colour scheme (like the Visarch, he is their leader). These are the Ynnari. Lead by the prophetess and the Visarch.
- Lots of wyches and Incubii.
- Some Eldar (of all kind) are very against this - especially the Haemoncolus Covens. They see this as "they steal our jobs". If there is a god of the dead - no slaves and stuff, so they are not happy.
- Clashes between the Haemoncolus Covens and the Ynnari.
- Part II is not a sequel - it happens at the same time of 'Fall of Cadia'.
- It ends at the same point as the first book.
- Rules to make the Ynnari. You can mix different Eldar races into one army now. They loose their army rules but gain instead a new special rule.
- Basically - when your eldar units die, your own units become more powerful.
- Ynnari are a whole new faction of the Eldar.
- Aeldari is the name for all Eldar.
- If you already got an army, you can decide to play it as Ynnari, but not all units can be taken. Most of the stuff can be used though.
/cheers.
bob.
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2017/01/26 18:48:47
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 17 latest info
They both absorb souls of those Eldar who die. That's why some Eldar refuse to follow Ynnead as their new god. Because they see it as a mirror to Slaanesh.
*EDIT: Or you know, read the post above...
- The Avatar is the mirror of Slaanesh - they are siblings. His power comes from Eldar souls - hence he looks quite Slaaneshi. They are made of the same stuff.
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