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2017/01/26 22:29:41
Subject: Re: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 17 latest info
casvalremdeikun wrote: GW is trying really hard to get me to start Eldar. The red color scheme of the Ynnari is about the only thing holding me back. I will probably stick to odds and ends (the Autarch, Eldrad, and possibly this Visarch dude if I can find him on eBay cheap). I will probably paint whatever I get in Ulthwe colors.
I don't think you need to paint them red. Paint them however you like, maybe give them red sashes or something like that if the colour is thematically important to the Ynnari.
I am a stickler for the fluff. It isn't a bad color scheme, I just already have a red army. Painting it all white might work, though.
Please ensure when you post there is something adding to the discussion in it, thanks
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2017/01/26 22:34:34
Subject: Re: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 17 latest info
I hope its not one of those 'you have to have a red/black painted army if you want to use the ynnari rules' type deals. Otherwise it would put off a lot of current eldar players. Hopefully that red/black is just the followers of the visarch and not the entire bunch.
I mean, I have some Biel-tan eldar already, I hope I'm not just screwed here as far as new rules are concerned.
"People say on their first meeting a Man and an Ork exchanged a long, hard look, didn't care much for what they saw, and shot each other dead."
2017/01/26 22:42:04
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 17 latest info
Don Savik wrote: I hope its not one of those 'you have to have a red/black painted army if you want to use the ynnari rules' type deals. Otherwise it would put off a lot of current eldar players. Hopefully that red/black is just the followers of the visarch and not the entire bunch.
I mean, I have some Biel-tan eldar already, I hope I'm not just screwed here as far as new rules are concerned.
GW has never argued that, ever. Just like SM Chapters not actually dictating color scheme. Want blue Blood Angels? Be their guest. This will be no different.
Don Savik wrote: I hope its not one of those 'you have to have a red/black painted army if you want to use the ynnari rules' type deals. Otherwise it would put off a lot of current eldar players. Hopefully that red/black is just the followers of the visarch and not the entire bunch.
I mean, I have some Biel-tan eldar already, I hope I'm not just screwed here as far as new rules are concerned.
Its not. In the video they even bring this up. If you have an eldar army, play this as an eldar army. Also, it's an army. You can paint it however you want.
It's twitch day.
We will edit the post with screen shots in case you miss something.
Started adding screen from the new eldar book
Transcript :
A lot of history from Eddie on the Eldar race.
In a nutshell: If they all die they can spawn Ynnead and destroy Slaanesh.
Eldrad's plan is to be able to do it without all Eldar going down. That's what happened in Death Masque but he's interrupted by a Deathwatch Kill Team and flees into the Webway. That marks the start of the Gathering Storm.
Story starts in a Dark Eldar Arena in Commoragh, during a must have ticket event. They have hybrid tyranids from leviathan/kraken.
Yvrainne : got in trouble in a craftworld by killing a seer (renegade) maybe she's a seer/aspect warrior. and fights now in the arena.
she dies in the arena but a spirit power from Death Masque (summoned by eldrad) goes into her and she becomes the Prophet of Ynnead.
Red eldar : Mysterious, armor style (or armor itself) dating back since before the fall. Respected by aspect warriors and Incubii.
Transcript by Atia :
- The book starts in Commoragh - a shard of Ynnead is there, Yvraine finds it.
- If there is too much psychic activity there - Slaanesh comes for you. So they are scared.
- Yvraine flees the city, gets saved by the Visarch - we don't know how he is.
- The Craftworlds are coming together. Eldar don't talk literally - the fracture is both the way what happens and what factions come out.
- Craftworlds weren't always one ship. Bigger than anything the imperium has, bigger than the Rock. Made up of different ships that are all stuck together.
- Biel-Tans infinity matrix has a fracture - there is a split.
- It's the kickstart Ynnead needs to get born. All the Eldar souls who are locked up there birth the new god. All the "parts" of Biel-Tan split up. It's basically a fleet now, instead of a craftworld.
- The Avatar is in the center of all the souls of eldar of Biel-Tan who died in the last 10k years. He is the proof that the prophecy of Ynnead is real. A beacon of hopes for all Eldar. They can now fight against Slaanesh.
- The Avatar is the mirror of Slaanesh - they are siblings. His power comes from Eldar souls - hence he looks quite Slaaneshi. They are made of the same stuff.
- Lots of interplay between the different Eldar factions in the book.
- When it's desperate, Eldar of all kind will fight against a common vow. Other times, they fight against each other, even Craftworlds vs Craftworlds.
- Now, the Eldar god of the dead is summoned - some see this as a hope for their race.
- These make up a new faction - basically the Eldar who believe in Ynnead. They have now a red colour scheme (like the Visarch, he is their leader). These are the Ynnari. Lead by the prophetess and the Visarch.
- Lots of wyches and Incubii.
- Some Eldar (of all kind) are very against this - especially the Haemoncolus Covens. They see this as "they steal our jobs". If there is a god of the dead - no slaves and stuff, so they are not happy.
- Clashes between the Haemoncolus Covens and the Ynnari.
- Part II is not a sequel - it happens at the same time of 'Fall of Cadia'.
- It ends at the same point as the first book.
- Rules to make the Ynnari. You can mix different Eldar races into one army now. They loose their army rules but gain instead a new special rule.
- Basically - when your eldar units die, your own units become more powerful.
- Ynnari are a whole new faction of the Eldar.
- Aeldari is the name for all Eldar.
- If you already got an army, you can decide to play it as Ynnari, but not all units can be taken. Most of the stuff can be used though.
/cheers.
bob.
Better than I thought - Guessing the Wratih stuff and the Haemoncolus units not in the Ynnari?
If you consume souls, you do not leave behind ghosts.
I dare say Spirit Seers will be among those wary and opposed.
But to head off the "Oh no they will get rid of the Wraith units" that will no doubt come later, they are heavily used in the art and are going nowhere.
2017/01/26 22:53:38
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 17 latest info
Don Savik wrote: I hope its not one of those 'you have to have a red/black painted army if you want to use the ynnari rules' type deals. Otherwise it would put off a lot of current eldar players. Hopefully that red/black is just the followers of the visarch and not the entire bunch.
I mean, I have some Biel-tan eldar already, I hope I'm not just screwed here as far as new rules are concerned.
GW has never argued that, ever. Just like SM Chapters not actually dictating color scheme. Want blue Blood Angels? Be their guest. This will be no different.
I've met a few stingy people though (a friend of mine included). If going by this logic they could run alpha legion chaos as any chapter depending on what rules they want to use? Or if you had a space marine army you could change chapter tactics every game? That's the kind of nonsense I'd be dealing with if I said I wanted all eldar :(
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2017/01/26 22:54:40
Subject: Re: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 17 latest info
Starfarer wrote: I'll just be here waiting for all the doomsayers yesterday to come back to this thread and eat crow...
You will sadly wait a long time mate. They are in a corner rocking back and forth somewhere whispering to themselves that it doesn't matter Games Workshop still sucks and the game still sucks
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2017/01/26 22:58:58
Subject: Re: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 17 latest info
It's twitch day.
We will edit the post with screen shots in case you miss something.
Started adding screen from the new eldar book
Transcript :
A lot of history from Eddie on the Eldar race.
In a nutshell: If they all die they can spawn Ynnead and destroy Slaanesh.
Eldrad's plan is to be able to do it without all Eldar going down. That's what happened in Death Masque but he's interrupted by a Deathwatch Kill Team and flees into the Webway. That marks the start of the Gathering Storm.
Story starts in a Dark Eldar Arena in Commoragh, during a must have ticket event. They have hybrid tyranids from leviathan/kraken.
Yvrainne : got in trouble in a craftworld by killing a seer (renegade) maybe she's a seer/aspect warrior. and fights now in the arena.
she dies in the arena but a spirit power from Death Masque (summoned by eldrad) goes into her and she becomes the Prophet of Ynnead.
Red eldar : Mysterious, armor style (or armor itself) dating back since before the fall. Respected by aspect warriors and Incubii.
Transcript by Atia :
- The book starts in Commoragh - a shard of Ynnead is there, Yvraine finds it.
- If there is too much psychic activity there - Slaanesh comes for you. So they are scared.
- Yvraine flees the city, gets saved by the Visarch - we don't know how he is.
- The Craftworlds are coming together. Eldar don't talk literally - the fracture is both the way what happens and what factions come out.
- Craftworlds weren't always one ship. Bigger than anything the imperium has, bigger than the Rock. Made up of different ships that are all stuck together.
- Biel-Tans infinity matrix has a fracture - there is a split.
- It's the kickstart Ynnead needs to get born. All the Eldar souls who are locked up there birth the new god. All the "parts" of Biel-Tan split up. It's basically a fleet now, instead of a craftworld.
- The Avatar is in the center of all the souls of eldar of Biel-Tan who died in the last 10k years. He is the proof that the prophecy of Ynnead is real. A beacon of hopes for all Eldar. They can now fight against Slaanesh.
- The Avatar is the mirror of Slaanesh - they are siblings. His power comes from Eldar souls - hence he looks quite Slaaneshi. They are made of the same stuff.
- Lots of interplay between the different Eldar factions in the book.
- When it's desperate, Eldar of all kind will fight against a common vow. Other times, they fight against each other, even Craftworlds vs Craftworlds.
- Now, the Eldar god of the dead is summoned - some see this as a hope for their race.
- These make up a new faction - basically the Eldar who believe in Ynnead. They have now a red colour scheme (like the Visarch, he is their leader). These are the Ynnari. Lead by the prophetess and the Visarch.
- Lots of wyches and Incubii.
- Some Eldar (of all kind) are very against this - especially the Haemoncolus Covens. They see this as "they steal our jobs". If there is a god of the dead - no slaves and stuff, so they are not happy.
- Clashes between the Haemoncolus Covens and the Ynnari.
- Part II is not a sequel - it happens at the same time of 'Fall of Cadia'.
- It ends at the same point as the first book.
- Rules to make the Ynnari. You can mix different Eldar races into one army now. They loose their army rules but gain instead a new special rule.
- Basically - when your eldar units die, your own units become more powerful.
- Ynnari are a whole new faction of the Eldar.
- Aeldari is the name for all Eldar.
- If you already got an army, you can decide to play it as Ynnari, but not all units can be taken. Most of the stuff can be used though.
/cheers.
bob
.
Better than I thought - Guessing the Wratih stuff and the Haemoncolus units not in the Ynnari?
If you consume souls, you do not leave behind ghosts.
I dare say Spirit Seers will be among those wary and opposed.
But to head off the "Oh no they will get rid of the Wraith units" that will no doubt come later, they are heavily used in the art and are going nowhere.
Hoping there is at least someting with Iyanna - doubt she will be best pleased by this turn of events and the final appearance of her God.
Be amusing if Wraith units were auto drained by the new Avaate if they get too close....although it might also effect Exarchs and Pheonix Lords!
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Don Savik wrote: I hope its not one of those 'you have to have a red/black painted army if you want to use the ynnari rules' type deals. Otherwise it would put off a lot of current eldar players. Hopefully that red/black is just the followers of the visarch and not the entire bunch.
I mean, I have some Biel-tan eldar already, I hope I'm not just screwed here as far as new rules are concerned.
GW has never argued that, ever. Just like SM Chapters not actually dictating color scheme. Want blue Blood Angels? Be their guest. This will be no different.
I've met a few stingy people though (a friend of mine included). If going by this logic they could run alpha legion chaos as any chapter depending on what rules they want to use? Or if you had a space marine army you could change chapter tactics every game? That's the kind of nonsense I'd be dealing with if I said I wanted all eldar :(
lol so? IF someone built up a blood angels army but wanted to play dark angels, why does it matter? The only actual difference is the name, you're still only playing against one army and that army's rules.
casvalremdeikun wrote: GW has never argued that, ever. Just like SM Chapters not actually dictating color scheme. Want blue Blood Angels? Be their guest. This will be no different.
Actually, GWhas at one point in the past required Space Marines to be painted in the right colours in order to count as that Chapter. Most people ignored that requirement as the absurdity that it was, though.
2017/01/26 23:12:01
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 17 latest info
casvalremdeikun wrote: GW has never argued that, ever. Just like SM Chapters not actually dictating color scheme. Want blue Blood Angels? Be their guest. This will be no different.
Actually, GWhas at one point in the past required Space Marines to be painted in the right colours in order to count as that Chapter. Most people ignored that requirement as the absurdity that it was, though.
How does that compute when they outright say you can make your own custom/successor chapter?
2017/01/26 23:15:23
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 17 latest info
Well, in a sense Exarchs and Phoenix Lords are some of the 1st of these Ynnari. Well... at least as muchas being buffed by the souls of the dead, since the benefit from the experience/knowledge of all its wearers.
2017/01/26 23:21:26
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 17 latest info
casvalremdeikun wrote: GW has never argued that, ever. Just like SM Chapters not actually dictating color scheme. Want blue Blood Angels? Be their guest. This will be no different.
Actually, GWhas at one point in the past required Space Marines to be painted in the right colours in order to count as that Chapter. Most people ignored that requirement as the absurdity that it was, though.
I thought it was if your army was painted as, lets say Dark Angels, those were the rules that you had to use but if they were a custom Chapter you could pick which rules you used.
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2017/01/26 23:31:16
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 17 latest info
casvalremdeikun wrote: GW has never argued that, ever. Just like SM Chapters not actually dictating color scheme. Want blue Blood Angels? Be their guest. This will be no different.
Actually, GWhas at one point in the past required Space Marines to be painted in the right colours in order to count as that Chapter. Most people ignored that requirement as the absurdity that it was, though.
how exactly would GW enforce that? By saying the Vein Rippers Chapter is illegal?
You've seen the frequent "Am I allowed to..." threads in 40K discussion?
GW have created a culture amongst a percentage of the customer base which thinks it's wrong to deviate from the set standard in any way.
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Hey, there's nothing wrong with it, many, many historical wargamers would never dream of deviating from what actually was, and 40K has such a wealth of reference that, to all intents and purposes, one can almost employ similar levels of accuracy for many forces.
That said, breaking away from that and doing your own thing can be very liberating.
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casvalremdeikun wrote: GW has never argued that, ever. Just like SM Chapters not actually dictating color scheme. Want blue Blood Angels? Be their guest. This will be no different.
Actually, GWhas at one point in the past required Space Marines to be painted in the right colours in order to count as that Chapter. Most people ignored that requirement as the absurdity that it was, though.
I thought it was if your army was painted as, lets say Dark Angels, those were the rules that you had to use but if they were a custom Chapter you could pick which rules you used.
Yes, as someone with 6000 points of painted Dark Angels, it's too late for me, but save yourselves!
(And I learned and did my own thing for Imperial Guard, Eldar and Chaos when I collected those.)
2017/01/27 00:03:13
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 17 latest info
Yea I just wan't some biel-tan colored harlequins and dark eldar. Right now I could literally just ally them together and it would make sense, so why not this new ynnari nonsense? I lose some rules (battle focus/hit and run/power from pain? idk) and gain a new rule of undetermined power. I don't see the big deal.
If the castellans of the imperium detachment can use whatever the hell it wants from space marine chapters/guard regiments then eldar should be the same.
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2017/01/27 00:18:17
Subject: Re: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 17 latest info
dan2026 wrote: So are we not getting any new Aspect Warriors, Incubi or anything out of this?
Seems like a wasted opportunity.
Yep. Seems like the "Gathering Storm" MO is going to be these new mono-pose giant sized plastic characters. Which is a huge shame, because I get infinitely more psyched about pretty much every bread-and-butter troop choice that comes out.
When I see stuff like the new Tzaangors, Genestealer Cultists and Hybrids, Skitarii etc, I get excited because it's a chance to make these cool, awesome models my own. The ones I make will be different, at least partially, from the ones everyone else makes and for me, a lot of the fun of the modeling aspect of the hobby is figuring out how to make my troops my own.
The mono-pose characters and monsters...eh, they've just never thrilled me, because at the end of the day my Aevatar of the Aeldari is going to be sucking up the very same souls as the next guy's, and my Onceler is going to be striking the same pose trying to convince the Eldar that everyone needs a Ynnead.
They're alright, I guess. I was more hyped FOR dedicated dark eldar players because I thought they were at least getting 1 of their stolen special characters back, but now it's similar to the sisters release for me. I'll think "oh, those are pretty neat", read the fluff summary, and skip the book. If there had been a new plastic sisters of battle troop box, with loads of options and goodies, I'd probably have bought 3-4...then a couple rhinos to drive around...then a couple organ tanks, because I've always thought those were nifty...then I'd maybe consider getting a celestine. It seems silly to buy into Sisters and Admech and Inquisition, but only with one model from each...
Exactly. While cool these special characters do nothing for me. New plastic aspects would have made me start an eldar army though.
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2017/01/27 00:32:31
Subject: Re: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 17 latest info
The Ynnari seem more like a new religious or political movement at the moment. Many converts/defectors may not have the time, resources or even the inclination to change there war gear colours.
2017/01/27 00:39:18
Subject: Re: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 17 latest info
Warhams-77 wrote: Statement regarding the future of 40k by WarhammerTV on facebook
Screenshot by Iskandar Khayon on GW-FW.net (afaik)
Picture's borked.
I guees it's the pic where GW say that Gathering storm is not the same thing as the End time (a completely meaningless statement). Which doesn't disproof that 40k might be heading toward an AOSification, despite what some persons claims.
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2017/01/27 00:59:31
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 17 latest info
People, please ensure your posts are actually adding something to the discussion. To do otherwise can mean your post will be either rude or be spammy, both things which you need to avoid. Thanks
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2017/01/27 01:13:26
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 17 latest info
It's baffling how many people ITT aren't actually up to date with Deldar fluff despite having such strong opinions on it.
It's not a "rumor" that Khaine's Gate is breaking- this has been an established fact for literally years now.
TL;DR: Vecht has been aware for almost 700 years of the gate's instability, and has been quietly strengthening his defenses around it for the bulk of the 41st Millenium. Meanwhile, Lady Malys was upgraded between 5th and 7th edition from just being Vecht's bitter side-chick to outright rivaling his intellect and conspiring to overthrow him. During the 13th Black Crusade, Malys and Vecht's forces erupt into what's basically a civil war in Commoragh, and the gate itself begins to crack open.
All of the above is explicitly mentioned in the Dark Eldar codex.
Edit- Also, while perusing the Deldar codex today, I stumbled upon this little fluff blurb that I'd forgotten about. I doubt it's connected to the new story but it's certainly possible.
421.M41 Steel Fang A nameless messenger butchers the Inner Council of Craftworld Lugganath, smashing apart a statue of Khaine and using the shards as deadly weapons. Fleeing into the webway with a holocapture of her murderous deed, the young warrior calling herself Steel Fang is welcomed by the Wych Cults of the Dark City. She soon founds her own Cult, and her teachings in the art of improvised weaponry spread throughout the arenas of Commorragh.
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2017/01/27 01:36:06
Subject: Re: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 17 latest info
I hope they will come out with new interesting Ynnead flavored new squads/ miniatures etcetera
About Ynnead defeating Slaneesh, I don't thinks so, Slaneesh doesn't just feed on Eldar, Lot's of human and non human followers. At most this is a way for Eldar to start
expanding again.
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