The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 85 Designer interview

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**Vorian**

I can't remember how they said it. I agree that Duncan is the official word though!

**Joyboozer**

Vorian wrote:
I can't remember how they said it. I agree that Duncan is the official word though!

Dude....

**Crazyterran**

I thought Duncan was our lord of the paint, he who shall forever thin?

**H.B.M.C.**

Ducan is the 5th God of Chaos. His sacred number is 2 (for each coat he's going to paint).

**Mr Morden**

streetsamurai wrote:
the_scotsman wrote:
dan2026 wrote:
So are we not getting any new Aspect Warriors, Incubi or anything out of this?

Seems like a wasted opportunity.

Yep. Seems like the "Gathering Storm" MO is going to be these new mono-pose giant sized plastic characters. Which is a huge shame, because I get infinitely more psyched about pretty much every bread-and-butter troop choice that comes out.

When I see stuff like the new Tzaangors, Genestealer Cultists and Hybrids, Skitarii etc, I get excited because it's a chance to make these cool, awesome models my own. The ones I make will be different, at least partially, from the ones everyone else makes and for me, a lot of the fun of the modeling aspect of the hobby is figuring out how to make my troops my own.

The mono-pose characters and monsters...eh, they've just never thrilled me, because at the end of the day my Aevatar of the Aeldari is going to be sucking up the very same souls as the next guy's, and my Onceler is going to be striking the same pose trying to convince the Eldar that everyone needs a Ynnead.

They're alright, I guess. I was more hyped FOR dedicated dark eldar players because I thought they were at least getting 1 of their stolen special characters back, but now it's similar to the sisters release for me. I'll think "oh, those are pretty neat", read the fluff summary, and skip the book. If there had been a new plastic sisters of battle troop box, with loads of options and goodies, I'd probably have bought 3-4...then a couple rhinos to drive around...then a couple organ tanks, because I've always thought those were nifty...then I'd maybe consider getting a celestine. It seems silly to buy into Sisters and Admech and Inquisition, but only with one model from each...

Exactly. While cool these special characters do nothing for me. New plastic aspects would have made me start an eldar army though.

I would agree but..............I think GW sees it this way:

We release super new Special Characters that can be used by Marines and yeah also all those other minor Imperial factions. The sales of a box set of new characters enhancing Marines is likely going to sell better than actual new stuff for all those piddly factions.

Same with Eldar - the seller will be CWE as its beyond broken and hence sells more models - so lets support that army but vaguely support the others.

**Warhams-77**

Simon Grant - via MaulerUK on B&C

I've been saying this since speaking to Simon Grant at the Jan open day and he specifically said "We are not going to AOS 40k, we're just moving the clock another minute towards midnight...which is pretty good going considering it's been where it's at for about 30 years".

I can't get the books soon enough. Too many spoilers in the stream yesterday

so I stopped watching after ~15 minutes. But it is good they now offer an extended insight into their upcoming books.

**Kaiyanwang**

SKR.HH wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
SKR.HH wrote:
Do you really need to repeat your ™ jokes for the umpteenth time? We get it: you oppose to that idea...

Here's the sad part:

It's not a joke!

It is... They are not using the ™ in their publications. If you want to get pissed read something for the LotR/Hobbit games.

Well, the final effect is not that far from that - you have to concede him this point.

**Aryllon**

I'm pretty sure the pronunciation is just 'in' for Yn and 'iv' for Yv.

In-carn
Iv-rain
In-arr-ee

GW is an English company, the design team are largely English and based in England.
In England, the real name Yvonne is pronounced iv-on (like the words 'if' and 'on', but with a sharp V).

And it seems they definitely applied those regular English phonetics because they called the new Death Avatar thing 'The Yncarne'... which is The Incarnation of it's god.

Meaning Yvraine would in turn be pronounced iv-rain and the Ynnari are In-arr-ee. But I'm not sure if it's 'in-eed' or 'in-ee-ad' for Yneead.
I prefer the latter.

Vorian wrote:
I can't remember how they said it. I agree that Duncan is the official word though!

On Twitch the guys were unsure how to pronounce Gyrinx (even though they are native English, GW HQ employees)... one went for Grinks, the other for Jrinks (almost exactly like 'drinks'). Duncan called it a Guy-Rinks in the painting video whereas I'd assumed it followed the same phonetics as gyrate, gyroscope and giant (so 'jy-rinks').

But I agree with you, Duncan's version sounds best haha

**Ynneadwraith**

Aryllon wrote:
I'm pretty sure the pronunciation is just 'in' for Yn and 'iv' for Yv.

In-carn
Iv-rain
In-arr-ee

GW is an English company, the design team are largely English and based in England.
In England, the real name Yvonne is pronounced iv-on (like the words 'if' and 'on', but with a sharp V).

And it seems they definitely applied tregular English phonetics because the 'The Yncarne' is The Incarnation of it's god.

So Yvraine would in turn be pronounced iv-rain and the Ynnari are In-arr-ee. But I'm not sure if it's 'in-eed' or 'in-ee-ad' for Yneead.
I prefer the latter.

Vorian wrote:
I can't remember how they said it. I agree that Duncan is the official word though!

On Twitch the guys were unsure how to pronounce Gyrinx (even though they are native English, GW HQ employees)... one went for Grinks, the other for Jrinks (almost exactly like 'drinks'). Duncan called it a Guy-Rinks in the painting video whereas I'd assumed it followed the same phonetics as gyrate, gyroscope and giant (so 'jy-rinks').

But I agree with you, Duncan's version sounds best haha

Huh. Never thought my grandma had an Eldar name

Agreed that it's probably pronounced 'in-eed' and 'in-arr-ee'.

I tend to prefer 'jy-rinks' myself, but lord knows how it's meant to be pronounced. We're still hung up on 'scone' and that's been a real word for donkey's years...

**Aryllon**

Ynneadwraith wrote:
We're still hung up on 'scone' and that's been a real word for donkey's years...

Hahaha!

Congratulations, that is definitely comment of the day

Oh also, guess who found an original metal Gyrinx on eBay recently... thought it was just going to be a novelty item (although you could take one which acted like a spell familiar for the Corsair Psyker in IA Mymeara, before Forgeworld recently updated the book) but hopefully 'Fracture' makes it a bit of wargear I can give to other characters now!

**Imateria**

I've always pronounced it as In-eed, can't think of any words where an e and a next to each other are sounded separately.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Scone?

Invented in Scotland. Specifically the town of Scone. Which is pronounced 'Skoon'.

Ergo everyone is wrong, and Scone is pronounced Skoon too :p

**Matt.Kingsley**

I'm just going to pretend that it isn't a 'Y' but is actually a thorn.

So it's Th-narr-ee, Th-need or Th-nee-ad and Thv-rain.

**ImAGeek**

On the stream they were saying 'in-ee-ad'

**Aryllon**

Imateria wrote:
I've always pronounced it as In-eed, can't think of any words where an e and a next to each other are sounded separately.

Yeah I always did too, but it's double-e before a which kinda doesn't have precedent.

For just an ending of eed or ead I'd pronounce it 'eed', but eead seems like it could also be pronounced 'ee-ad'

English is great hey...

ImAGeek wrote:
On the stream they were saying 'in-ee-ad'

They also said they didn't know how to pronounce Gyrinx even though they work at GW HQ, so who knows..!

**the_scotsman**

Mr Morden wrote:
streetsamurai wrote:
the_scotsman wrote:
dan2026 wrote:
So are we not getting any new Aspect Warriors, Incubi or anything out of this?

Seems like a wasted opportunity.

Yep. Seems like the "Gathering Storm" MO is going to be these new mono-pose giant sized plastic characters. Which is a huge shame, because I get infinitely more psyched about pretty much every bread-and-butter troop choice that comes out.

When I see stuff like the new Tzaangors, Genestealer Cultists and Hybrids, Skitarii etc, I get excited because it's a chance to make these cool, awesome models my own. The ones I make will be different, at least partially, from the ones everyone else makes and for me, a lot of the fun of the modeling aspect of the hobby is figuring out how to make my troops my own.

The mono-pose characters and monsters...eh, they've just never thrilled me, because at the end of the day my Aevatar of the Aeldari is going to be sucking up the very same souls as the next guy's, and my Onceler is going to be striking the same pose trying to convince the Eldar that everyone needs a Ynnead.

They're alright, I guess. I was more hyped FOR dedicated dark eldar players because I thought they were at least getting 1 of their stolen special characters back, but now it's similar to the sisters release for me. I'll think "oh, those are pretty neat", read the fluff summary, and skip the book. If there had been a new plastic sisters of battle troop box, with loads of options and goodies, I'd probably have bought 3-4...then a couple rhinos to drive around...then a couple organ tanks, because I've always thought those were nifty...then I'd maybe consider getting a celestine. It seems silly to buy into Sisters and Admech and Inquisition, but only with one model from each...

Exactly. While cool these special characters do nothing for me. New plastic aspects would have made me start an eldar army though.

I would agree but..............I think GW sees it this way:

We release super new Special Characters that can be used by Marines and yeah also all those other minor Imperial factions. The sales of a box set of new characters enhancing Marines is likely going to sell better than actual new stuff for all those piddly factions.

Same with Eldar - the seller will be CWE as its beyond broken and hence sells more models - so lets support that army but vaguely support the others.

Interesting that you'd say that, when CWE has historically gotten the same model support or less than most other factions. The last time they had kits was when Harlequins were released....2 years ago? More? I guess they did get an Eldrad in Death Masque. You'd think if GW was really truly trying to put in model support for only the most broken factions, they'd be jumping right on the Plastic Warp Spider train.

And as for rules support, have they gotten anything new since the utterly busted Eldar codex those same 2 years ago?

If GW was trying to hock rules for only the competitively broken armies, why have we seen nothing for Necrons and Eldar rules-wise since their respective codexes, but we have seen...what was it now, FIVE chaos marine supplements in the last year? This is not to say CSM doesn't deserve rules support, they do and I'm super glad that they're now a solid upper mid-tier/mono-build high tier army thanks to TL, but it really doesn't support the narrative that GW somehow only supports those factions that are already strong.

**DarkStarSabre**

the_scotsman wrote:

If GW was trying to hock rules for only the competitively broken armies, why have we seen nothing for Necrons and Eldar rules-wise since their respective codexes, but we have seen...what was it now, FIVE chaos marine supplements in the last year? This is not to say CSM doesn't deserve rules support, they do and I'm super glad that they're now a solid upper mid-tier/mono-build high tier army thanks to TL, but it really doesn't support the narrative that GW somehow only supports those factions that are already strong.

Hoo boy.

Let's do this.

5 Chaos Marine supplements you say? Sure, let's go there.

Black Legion - reprint of the 6th ed. Supplement.
Crimson Slaughter - reprint of the 6th ed. Supplement.
Traitor's Hate - new, I will give you that....
Wrath of Magnus - also new, I will give you that....

Wait....wait a minute. Wait. No.

Both reprinted in Traitor Legions.

Heck, why are CSM still using a base codex that harks back to the very start of 6th edition? Why are they still using horrendously overpointed units and upgrades, crippled by a lack of options because 'you might possibly get them in the boon table' ?

5 new supplements and you can comfortably say that 3 of them are giant reprints.

Hell, you want to count the amount of new Imperial SM supplements you got in the same time frame, including dataslates and campaign books?

I mean, bad enough the Traitor Astartes Disciplines (which are basically the SM Disciplines with spoooooooooooooooky names) have been printed in 3 books out of the 5.

**Crazyterran**

If you don't count things that get reprinted, the SM have gotten one: Angels of Death.

**Vorian**

Rerelease or not, it still requires capacity and a place in the release schedule.

The fact is Chaos have had a good slice of attention compared to the supposed "broken" armies. Which was the actual point being made

**Warhams-77**

Via BOLS

But today comes word that the powers of Chaos will get their due. Old timer rumor-monger Mikhael says:

A 3rd Triumerate of minis is coming
It is focussed on Chaos
Abaddon the Despoiler
Warlord Kossalax (Ed. no idea???)
Daemon Prince Urkanthos (last seen killing off Celestine’s handmaidens in Fall of Cadia)

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2017/01/40k-rumors-3rd-triumverate.html

Stats on Pretre's tracker

Mikhael - Total rumors: (2 TRUE) / (0 FALSE) / (0 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) - Updated 5/2/2016

**kronk**

Thebiggesthat wrote:
So now that's confirmed I take it all talk of AoSing will be dealt with as trolling?

If someone is trolling in your opinion, just hit the yellow triangle of friendship. I hit it more often than the submit button as I assume the moderators are lonely and in need of advice on how to run a gaming forum from me.

**Mr Morden**

Vorian wrote:
Rerelease or not, it still requires capacity and a place in the release schedule.

The fact is Chaos have had a good slice of attention compared to the supposed "broken" armies. Which was the actual point being made

I was actually commenting on ths particular release schedule and I stand by my assertion

Which armies will see the most use of Celestine and co? In particular Celestine given that they did not even bother to give her Act of Faith/SHeild of Faith so if she actually joins other SOB units they can;t use them

**Vorian**

I'm not commenting on that. It seems pretty pointless to speculate on what GW intends or not because it's speculation about the opinions of people I don't know.

I was just pointing out DSS wad arguing a different point to the Scotsman (who I thought made a pretty compelling argument showing tabletop power doesn't really have a correlation to the amount of attention)

That triumvirate list is looking more and more believable. I hope Abbadon isn't a great model so I can resist buying him

**kronk**

A 3rd Triumerate of minis is coming
It is focussed on Chaos
Abaddon the Despoiler
Warlord Kossalax (Ed. no idea???)
Daemon Prince Urkanthos (last seen killing off Celestine’s handmaidens in Fall of Cadia)

I'd buy this one, too. Trio 1 and 3 are good for me. Just need the Triumverate of the Space Marines to hit!

**Mr Morden**

Daemon Prince Urkanthos (last seen killing off Celestine’s handmaidens in Fall of Cadia)

er no:

p53

Celestine and her Geminae Superior cast the lifeless corpse of the Daemon Prince Urkanthos from the walls.

I couldn't see a mention of him after that?

**reds8n**

Indeed.

One appreciates death is perhaps not final for daemons but that would seem an odd choice given his role/fate is over and known.

**Davor**

You would think that the third Triumerate would be last to lead into 8th edition, not a Space Marine. So that would mean what, March for the Chaos Triumerate.

Hmmm... read a comment on another site saying 8th edition would be released in April. So maybe this could be the last release for Gathering Storm, Chaos Triumerate would be the last one to end Gathering Storm and the Space Marine Triumerate would start of 8th edition.

Just doesn't seem right Space Marine ending Gathering Storm.

**nintura**

Really enjoying all this "release big campaign story" and then releasing the characters to go with it. Very much like Privateer Press

**Nvs**

I just hope if it turns out to be true, that they design the demon prince model to be a stand alone release with enough options for all 4 powers. The current demon prince model is quite meh.

**SKR.HH**

nintura wrote:
Really enjoying all this "release big campaign story" and then releasing the characters to go with it. Very much like Privateer Press

Jep. Even though I don't collect the majority I'm really tempted to buy them and paint them for my display cabinet.