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 TheDraconicLord wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Why does everyone assume gathering storm will conclude before 8th? They said 2017 will be a celebration with a year of campaigns and events, they could just as easily drop 8th in April and continue on with the story later, after all the campaign books only have a few character profiles each. Primarchs could be next Christmas big release like Magnus was

A Primarch would be a perfect counter to stop / give the 13th Black Crusade a run for the money. I dunno why, but it feels right to see a Loyalist Primarch being released in a shiny box. So far there's always been a big model, he would fit the bill

That's not what I was arguing though was it. I was asking why everyone assumes the Gathering Storm must conclude by April when 8th is rumored to hit. I mean, if 8th isn't incalidating anything like they have said then there is no time crunch on GW'd part is there?

Rushing to get the campaign in before your next edition? That is what scares people in regard to the end times.

I would much rather see the return of Ferrus Manus in a dreadnought body than Rawbutt Guilmon. Little did we know but Ferrus eventually passed his reanimation protocols (thanks to Trayzn) and his arms fuzed him to a relic leviathan chasis.

Also I want to see Jagatai pretending to be a motorbike while The Lion rides on his shoulders.

 Red Corsair wrote:

Vorian wrote:
Eldar triumvirate is cheaper and there are Eldar ruins? What the hell is going on?!

Gee let me think...Maybe because the imperial triumvirate was actually a pentumvirate? Seriously, you get two larger models and three regular scale as opposed to the eldars one large two normal. I actually think the Imperial box is a much better deal.

I'd say the Eldar had three big ones - both the Eldar look bigger than Celestine in the photo from WW.

But, whatever it is, I'm not complaining. It's less than I imagined it was going to be so it's a nice surprise

 Red Corsair wrote:
Why does everyone assume gathering storm will conclude before 8th? They said 2017 will be a celebration with a year of campaigns and events, they could just as easily drop 8th in April and continue on with the story later, after all the campaign books only have a few character profiles each. Primarchs could be next Christmas big release like Magnus was

Because
a) new editions traditionally drop in May/June
b) Fall of Cadia had a quarter of a clock face for the first triumvirate box. It stands to reason that there'll be 3 more quarters for a total of 4 books in the series.

There's nothing to stop them having other campaigns and events covering the rest of the year, I just doubt they'll be under the Gathering Storm series.

Roboute Guilliman would be a bad move on GW's part IMHO, he is the vanilla marine. His name, model and legacy are all so bland.

He isn't known for his combat prowess and hilariously enough he is most known for the implementation of the index astartes otherwise known as the rule of guidelines none of the more popular and cool chapters follow

It also makes me laugh that the entire purpose of splitting chapters up is to make chaos corruption less likely, but then GW goes and rights an equal number of new renegade chapters for every new chapter in the back ground. So I guess his theory sucks and isn't working either

Honestly, coming from someone who has never played the chapter and has no self interest, The Lion is the coolest, most grim dark badass of the group, not to mention the DA are the 1st chapter or that the DA are basically specialists at fighting chaos. It's all they care about, then you get to involve the Rock as it fends of the chaos fleet, what else could be as epic as that in the void?

 Red Corsair wrote:


He isn't known for his combat prowess and hilariously enough he is most known for the implementation of the index astartes otherwise known as the rule of guidelines none of the more popular and cool chapters follow

It also makes me laugh that the entire purpose of splitting chapters up is to make chaos corruption less likely, but then GW goes and rights an equal number of new renegade chapters for every new chapter in the back ground. So I guess his theory sucks and isn't working either

Guilliman was a very good combatant, very tactical one. Also, the division into chapters wasn't to make corruption less likely, but less harmful and to cover more ground.

 xttz wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Why does everyone assume gathering storm will conclude before 8th? They said 2017 will be a celebration with a year of campaigns and events, they could just as easily drop 8th in April and continue on with the story later, after all the campaign books only have a few character profiles each. Primarchs could be next Christmas big release like Magnus was

Because
a) new editions traditionally drop in May/June
b) Fall of Cadia had a quarter of a clock face for the first triumvirate box. It stands to reason that there'll be 3 more quarters for a total of 4 books in the series.

There's nothing to stop them having other campaigns and events covering the rest of the year, I just doubt they'll be under the Gathering Storm series.

a)Last edition dropped in July didn't it?
b) Reading comprehension eh? When did I question how many boxes wopuld drop? I asked why they all had to drop before a new edition

Even if 8th were to hit in Fething August it doesn't mean they couldn't drag this out until after does it? See Warzone Fenris which took 8 months between books.




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Lord Kragan wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:


He isn't known for his combat prowess and hilariously enough he is most known for the implementation of the index astartes otherwise known as the rule of guidelines none of the more popular and cool chapters follow

It also makes me laugh that the entire purpose of splitting chapters up is to make chaos corruption less likely, but then GW goes and rights an equal number of new renegade chapters for every new chapter in the back ground. So I guess his theory sucks and isn't working either

Guilliman was a very good combatant, very tactical one. Also, the division into chapters wasn't to make corruption less likely, but less harmful and to cover more ground.

He was good tactically yes, that doesn't make for a very cool model leading your minis into the fray though does it. He's the marine equivalent of Creed. He sure as heck can organize your supply train though!

I question the guys combat skills, he lost his bout to Fulgrim handily and has been sporting two mouths ever since There is no situation where he can hold a candle up to the lion on the field of battle.


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All that said this is GW so prepare for the stay puff blueberry man

Plugging the gaps!

Got Death Masque the other day (sold on the models, reducing the cost somewhat), and just picked up Traitor's Hate and Angel's Blade - last two in hardback in my local GW!

Once I've read through it all, and re-read Shield of Baal, War Zone Damocles, War Zone Fenris and Fall of Cadia, I'll be starting a thread down in the 40k Background section with a 'suggested reading list' - and once it's up and running, I'd like any and all help I can get to get it as accurate as possible, including Black Library related books. Ideally, this will be a one-stop shop get an idea of which of the books are relevant to your favourite forces - because not everyone is inclined or able to be a completist weirdo like wot I are

It also makes me laugh that the entire purpose of splitting chapters up is to make chaos corruption less likely, but then GW goes and rights an equal number of new renegade chapters for every new chapter in the back ground. So I guess his theory sucks and isn't working either

I thought that was more about if a individual Chapter turns renegade its bad but if a Legion sized force of Astartes (with appropriate support) did then you are talking death of many Sectors. They are re-designed as fast reaction forces but also so that they can react to each other if need be and that several Chapters acting together with the Imperial Navy, Guard etc will crush a single renegade Chapter (if the Sororitas don't cleanse them first).

The Lion is the coolest, most grim dark badass of the group, not to mention the DA are the 1st chapter or that the DA are basically specialists at fighting chaos. It's all they care about, then you get to involve the Rock as it fends of the chaos fleet, what else could be as epic as that in the void?

I used to love the Dark Angels back in the Deathwing days but now I feel the very opposite, they are just trolling the Imperium and only interested in their own failings. DA's being specialist Chaos fighters - er - according to who? Is that recent DA fluff? All marines are good at fighting Chaos.

Given the important role that Phalanx played in the first part of Fall of Cadia, Dorn would be quite cool and the Khan would also make a great model - another Chapter often overlooked.

 Red Corsair wrote:

a)Last edition dropped in July didn't it?

Nope. 7E was announced in White Dwarf issue 15 and released May 24th, 2014.

 Red Corsair wrote:

b) Reading comprehension eh? When did I question how many boxes wopuld drop? I asked why they all had to drop before a new edition

You asked "Why does everyone assume gathering storm will conclude before 8th?". I gave an explanation for the assumptions being made about the release schedule; two books in two months with four being the most likely total. Why is it necessary to be snarky when I answered the question you asked?

Gathering Storm is also described by GW as a "celebration of 30 years of Warhammer 40,000 and a great way to kick off the next 30 years of grim darkness in the far future". Strongly implies the start of a new edition to me.

Well, I cannot resist but I have to post my impression over the 2nd triumvirate because I am torn appart.

First of I am a great Eldar fan and was happy about a possible new eldar avatar (even more of the dead).

Overall I feel this triumvirate is not as stunning as the first one. Each minis have its pro and cons.

The Yncarne. It reminds me too much of Nagash. Its cool to see a dynamic mini and all but I am perplex. It is male and female at the same time somehow it makles sense. But I really do not like the head, I hope we will have several options, especially that horn is crazy. The sword is really big, what about a reaper instead?

The Visarch looks way too static for our time. I hate the head too, but maybe just with switching head and a bit cut here and there it could prove a wonderful mini. Still, we are miles away from a Drazhar for exemple

Yvraine... Maybe if you cut off those stupid feather and place them elsewhere it can turn to be a stuning mini. Still, It would have been so nice to enjoy this beautiful dress to make something dynamic, like a danse move like pas de bourree or something and make the dress flow

I am very uncertain if I will buy the triumvirate personnaly. So far the only one that appeals me is the Yncarne.

Last word: I always wondered if there was a topic or a poll to express and share its point of view on a mini (but I mean like any single one), I always though it was someting I miss.

Regarding the next edition drop date, my guess is that it will be July 4th. As a retailer, it drives me crazy that GW tends to use that date to drop something big because nobody is at a store on the 4th, they are all out celebrating. But if it follows the same story arc as the End Times did for Fantasy, then it will be July 4th. Also, when End Times dropped, people were saying April release but it took much longer.

I completely forgot we are getting a new edition this year. How time flies.

Allegedly!

When was 40K released? I know it was in '87, but what month specifically?
It seems that might be a good month to release a new edition, considering it will be their 30th anniversary.

Wikipedia claims October.

Why no one thinks the next triumvirate could be necrons? After all the Cadia gate has someting to do with them isnt it? The latest rumour engine picture seems pretty mechanical to me.
Just my 2 cents.

reluxor wrote:
Well, I cannot resist but I have to post my impression over the 2nd triumvirate because I am torn appart.

First of I am a great Eldar fan and was happy about a possible new eldar avatar (even more of the dead).

Overall I feel this triumvirate is not as stunning as the first one. Each minis have its pro and cons.

The Yncarne. It reminds me too much of Nagash. Its cool to see a dynamic mini and all but I am perplex. It is male and female at the same time somehow it makles sense. But I really do not like the head, I hope we will have several options, especially that horn is crazy. The sword is really big, what about a reaper instead?

The Visarch looks way too static for our time. I hate the head too, but maybe just with switching head and a bit cut here and there it could prove a wonderful mini. Still, we are miles away from a Drazhar for exemple

Yvraine... Maybe if you cut off those stupid feather and place them elsewhere it can turn to be a stuning mini. Still, It would have been so nice to enjoy this beautiful dress to make something dynamic, like a danse move like pas de bourree or something and make the dress flow

I am very uncertain if I will buy the triumvirate personnaly. So far the only one that appeals me is the Yncarne.

Last word: I always wondered if there was a topic or a poll to express and share its point of view on a mini (but I mean like any single one), I always though it was someting I miss.

Somebodies not up to date The avatar has horns because all eldar spirits or anything of the sort that Eldar create will look like this. It reflects their inner selves, hence the way Slaanesh looks. Also, the avatar does in fact have multiple weapon choices, one of these pages shows them with dual daggers I think?

reluxor wrote:
Why no one thinks the next triumvirate could be necrons? After all the Cadia gate has someting to do with them isnt it? The latest rumour engine picture seems pretty mechanical to me.
Just my 2 cents.

The latest rumour Engine picture is a psychic hood on a Terminator.

I too am curious about the rumoured 8th ed drop. Is it actually from a reliable rumour monger?
I seem to remember GW writing somewhere that the Fall Of Cadia is a huge ongoing campaign, so wouldn't it make more sense for them to spend the rest of the year throwing supplements and campaign books out? And then a break before 8th ed drops?

 Red Corsair wrote:
Roboute Guilliman would be a bad move on GW's part IMHO, he is the vanilla marine. His name, model and legacy are all so bland.

I disagree strongly. I think GW (moreso through BL and FW than core GW admittedly) have done a very good job in fleshing out the smurfs since the relatively cookie cutter days of 2nd edition and I don't think they're vanilla anymore despite my ribbing of them as smurfs. Roboute would make more sense than any other primarch since all they need to do to "find" him in the fluff is to just flick the light switch on the room where he's held in stasis. There's no great crusade into the warp or 10,000 year old shrouded in mystery prophecy... they just need an antidote. Also, he's the primarch of *MOST* of the current space marine chapters. That said... I don't think they'd choose him. Because he's actually gotten a reasonable history in the HH timeline, that doesn't jive with the cranked up to 11 ZOMG! super duper space bro marine ethos that GW has for years now peddled with Draigo roflstomping through the warp tagging primarchs or Logan Grimnar stealing Santa's sleigh to star in his own Fenris edition of Pimp My Ride. Compared to that hackenyed writing, Roboute would indeed be "bland" but the fault lies not with him but with the piss poor benchmark GW has set prior.

reluxor wrote:
Why no one thinks the next triumvirate could be necrons?

Probably because Necrons come in one flavour only. The previous boxes tried to mix models from different factions.

Smellingsalts wrote:
Regarding the next edition drop date, my guess is that it will be July 4th. As a retailer, it drives me crazy that GW tends to use that date to drop something big because nobody is at a store on the 4th, they are all out celebrating. But if it follows the same story arc as the End Times did for Fantasy, then it will be July 4th. Also, when End Times dropped, people were saying April release but it took much longer.

That's a Tuesday so not likely, failing that it's also an ordinary day from the rest of the world's perspective.

 warboss wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Roboute Guilliman would be a bad move on GW's part IMHO, he is the vanilla marine. His name, model and legacy are all so bland.

I disagree strongly. I think GW (moreso through BL and FW than core GW admittedly) have done a very good job in fleshing out the smurfs since the relatively cookie cutter days of 2nd edition and I don't think they're vanilla anymore despite my ribbing of them as smurfs. Roboute would make more sense than any other primarch since all they need to do to "find" him in the fluff is to just flick the light switch on the room where he's held in stasis. There's no great crusade into the warp or 10,000 year old shrouded in mystery prophecy... they just need an antidote. Also, he's the primarch of *MOST* of the current space marine chapters. That said... I don't think they'd choose him. Because he's actually gotten a reasonable history in the HH timeline, that doesn't jive with the cranked up to 11 ZOMG! super duper space bro marine ethos that GW has for years now peddled with Draigo roflstomping through the warp tagging primarchs or Logan Grimnar stealing Santa's sleigh to star in his own Fenris edition of Pimp My Ride. Compared to that hackenyed writing, Roboute would indeed be "bland" but the fault lies not with him but with the piss poor benchmark GW has set prior.

fair enough, I'll admit I am not up to date on recent HH novels because, well, BL pumps out a ridiculous volume now a days and I just can't keep up on it personally. That said, it is arguably easier to bring back the lion. For starters he is just in a slumber and not in stasis preventing death from a cuban neck tie. Second, he is on the Rock, something already in the sector that can move the entire DA chapter directly into the fray in epic proportions. I don't see a need to crap on other chapters characters to make the lion cool by the way. Roboute Guilliman IS very generic along with the UM, that's literally intentional as it makes them a base line. Not knocking anyone for liking that, plenty of people like vanilla ice cream the most because it's good, but it as isn't interesting as it should be. Granted they could alter the fluff and change things to be more epic, but then you would be in the situation you just dissed with Logan or Draigo.


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 xttz wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

a)Last edition dropped in July didn't it?

Nope. 7E was announced in White Dwarf issue 15 and released May 24th, 2014.

 Red Corsair wrote:

b) Reading comprehension eh? When did I question how many boxes wopuld drop? I asked why they all had to drop before a new edition

You asked "Why does everyone assume gathering storm will conclude before 8th?". I gave an explanation for the assumptions being made about the release schedule; two books in two months with four being the most likely total. Why is it necessary to be snarky when I answered the question you asked?

Gathering Storm is also described by GW as a "celebration of 30 years of Warhammer 40,000 and a great way to kick off the next 30 years of grim darkness in the far future". Strongly implies the start of a new edition to me.

Sorry that was meant to be more of a sarcastic jolt then snark. You didn't answer my question directly, you made your own, valid, but separate pont. I never disputed the number of books, I asked why people are banking on the campaign wrapping up before the new edition when GW has stated 2017 will mark a year long campaign. To me that either puts 8th in the fall or 8th will interrupt the campaign.

I even cited Warzone Fenris as a precident of how long a campaign can stretch.

Is anyone really surprised that there are more Triumvirates? They are likely going to be giving some out to many many factions.

If 8th is said to drop in the middle of the year there could still be another 4-6 books in the gathering storm build up.

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Also who says they didn't delay 8th? It could be a possibility.

Apologies if already shared. (I am not Steve Morgan)

Yes, it has already been shared.

And we've already been told and/or figured out that it could mean everything or nothing, depending on how you want to wordsmith and/or legal-eagle it.

Chaos rumours sound a bit boring to me.

Abbadon is obvious enough. A new Daemon Prince makes sense. Then just some Kharn stand in? Seems a bit uninspired.

I'd hope they would think big and expand the faction. So a true Daemon or Dark Mech - Dinobot or something completely new.

Then again it doesn't sound as daft as those "It's Vect guys, I saw it in a truck" rumours two weeks ago so its probably right.

This just hit me. Sorry if this was mentioned already. The title is perfect. Gathering Storm. So now we know that Gathering Storm 2, Fracture of Beil-Tan (sorry if that name is wrong) in not a continuation of Gathering Storm 1 Fall of Cadia, but is along it and I believe they both end at the same time.

So we will have maybe another Gathering Storm or so and they will all take place at the same time and end at the same time, and 8th edition will be "The Storm". I really am liking this.

I don't know if that is how End Times was or was End Times in Fantasy a continuation from each other instead of being side by side?

Davor wrote:
This just hit me. Sorry if this was mentioned already. The title is perfect. Gathering Storm. So now we know that Gathering Storm 2, Fracture of Beil-Tan (sorry if that name is wrong) in not a continuation of Gathering Storm 1 Fall of Cadia, but is along it and I believe they both end at the same time.

So we will have maybe another Gathering Storm or so and they will all take place at the same time and end at the same time, and 8th edition will be "The Storm". I really am liking this.

I don't know if that is how End Times was or was End Times in Fantasy a continuation from each other instead of being side by side?

There were bits that were continuation but by and large the events happened right after the other on each book.