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2017/01/31 13:13:17
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 17 latest info
nintura wrote: Well, poop. Now I know why Eldrad is on trial. He screwed up the prophecy. In the WD it's mentioned that he "prematurely awakened Ynnead" meaning it wasn't in his full power, or we only got a half baked god. Meaning that he likely won't have the power to stop Slaanesh now. If you've ever seen the original Underworld movie, you'll have an idea of what I mean when the Vampire Lord Victor explains why they weren't meant to be awakened so early.
No, Eldrad's on trial because he had the Harlequins steal a crystallised seer from every Craftworld and then during the ritual to try and awaken Ynnead he used the power from the Infinity Circuits of every single Craftworld at once and shut them all down at the same time.
nintura wrote: So it seems Yvraine is the main character here. She's pulling the strings
Hard not to be the main character if you are the only one of the 3 that actually talks. The Yncarne description says it only communicates through death and manipulation of spiritual energy. I'm guessing Yvraine is the mouthpiece/prophet/herald that interprets and preaches.
Of course, this being GW it wouldn't be the first time that we've had an Eldar book where the Imperium are the protagonists.
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2017/01/31 13:23:31
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Of course, this being GW it wouldn't be the first time that we've had an Eldar book where the Imperium are the protagonists.
The Iyanden book kept the focus on the Eldar...minus that little bit where the Dark Angels fought the same enemy since he was one of the Fallen. Aside from that gratuitous SM insertion though, it was an Eldar supplement through and through.
The novel Valedor was also a completely Eldar book, though I guess that is arguably Black Library.
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2017/01/31 13:36:26
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Of course, this being GW it wouldn't be the first time that we've had an Eldar book where the Imperium are the protagonists.
The Iyanden book kept the focus on the Eldar...minus that little bit where the Dark Angels fought the same enemy since he was one of the Fallen. Aside from that gratuitous SM insertion though, it was an Eldar supplement through and through.
The novel Valedor was also a completely Eldar book, though I guess that is arguably Black Library.
And Doom of Mymeara is written entirely from the Imperiums perspective, whilst Path of the Eldar goes out of it's way to demonstrate the Imperiums superiority over Craftworld Alaitoc.
Crystal seers all shattered, so definitely not borrowed. Most Eldar don't believe in the prophecy of Ynnead, so no one cares that he screwed it up, or that he was trying to find a loophole to bring the god into existence without the extinction of the entire Eldar race.
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2017/01/31 14:07:21
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 17 latest info
Of course, this being GW it wouldn't be the first time that we've had an Eldar book where the Imperium are the protagonists.
The Iyanden book kept the focus on the Eldar...minus that little bit where the Dark Angels fought the same enemy since he was one of the Fallen. Aside from that gratuitous SM insertion though, it was an Eldar supplement through and through.
The novel Valedor was also a completely Eldar book, though I guess that is arguably Black Library.
And Doom of Mymeara is written entirely from the Imperiums perspective, whilst Path of the Eldar goes out of it's way to demonstrate the Imperiums superiority over Craftworld Alaitoc.
Crystal seers all shattered, so definitely not borrowed. Most Eldar don't believe in the prophecy of Ynnead, so no one cares that he screwed it up, or that he was trying to find a loophole to bring the god into existence without the extinction of the entire Eldar race.
Well, dont they have insurance in their museums?
Well, I would say they believe it now lol. There's kinda some evidence RIGHT THERE STARING AT YOU BREATHING HEAVILY
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Galef wrote: Are Iyanna & Lady Malys still part of the 40k 'canon'?
Because Yvraine sure seems like a twisted amalgamation of both.
And Farsight's Dawn blade is of Necron origin, not Eldar.
Neither have been written out to my knowledge
Does it ever specifically state that about the Dawn Blade?
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And Farsight's Dawn blade is of Necron origin, not Eldar.
That's been hinted at but never confirmed. It was found as part of a statue on Arthas Moloch, similar statues there contained anti-daemon hexagrammic wards (the talismans of Arthas Moloch). The only other fluff on anti-daemon hexagram wards are from the grey knights, who learned them from, you guessed it, the Eldar. Perhaps it's both. Maybe the Necrons killed a wielder of one of these blades during the war in heaven, kept it for themselves and coated it in a cronophagic alloy.
I'm not convinced this is what it actually is btw I know it is far-fetched. All I'm saying is I wouldn't be shocked if GW took the Dawn Blade in the Eldar direction given the new cronesword fluff. Afterall, it does say they can give the wielders power over life and death and I think we can all agree stealing the life out of your enemies and adding it to your own fits the bill.
2017/01/31 14:29:31
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 17 latest info
Ya know, I am unsure about the most recent fluff behind the Dawn Blade, but in it's 5th ed description, it was HEAVILY implied. I believe Farsight found it in an "Ancient Alien Pyramid-like Tomb" and GW always seems to paint it like they paint Necron phase swords. But I can see the War in Heaven angle that the Dawn Blade was originally Eldar, but taken by Necrons.
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I covered this in another thread. Signs point to Necrontyr.
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Verviedi wrote: It's reasonable to assume that Farsight's sword is actually a Necron weapon, and more likely a War in Heaven era Necrontyr weapon. Here's why.
1. The design of the weapon. It's a one-sided blade, resembling a falchion, with a normal-sized base that expands to a flat area on one side, and then curves on one side to a point. Now, look at Necron weapons. Almost all of them, including the bayonets on Gauss blasters, follow the exact same layout. There's not a single daemon weapon I found in all of my searching that was so clean and followed that weapon design. The closest match, the Laer Blade, still had the symbol of Slaanesh on it, and some chaotic spikes and curves on the hilt. The Dawn Blade completely lacks any chaotic features, except (allegedly) the life-force eating. I'll get to that in a second.
2. Mechanics of the blade. The Tau and FSE codex is meta-knowledge, meaning it has a higher weight than fiction novels (not that there's any where the Dawn Blade is actually said to eat a soul, but just CYA here). The Dawn Blade is always stated to consume the life-force of anybody it slays. Not soul, life-force. It's stated time and time again that Chaos deals entirely in souls. I could not find an instance of a Chaotic thing draining or giving "life-force", only draining souls or psychic ability. Remember. If Games Workshop was trying to say "soul", they would have said "soul".
This is important because of the plight of the Necrontyr before biotransference. The tech of the modern necrons is the same (or inferior because of technological stagnation) to the old Necrontyr. The Necrontyr were struggling with short natural lifespans, so logically they'd focus on life-extending technology (which they did, see their cryo-vessels mentioned in either the 4th or 5th edition codex and the whole biotransference thing.) It's extremely likely that the Dawn Blade is an artifact of fringe Necrontyr science, possibly using the same technologies used to drain life force out of the Necrontyr population during biotransference.
3. Arthas Moloch's role and the Talismans. The Dawn Blade and Talismans were found on Arthas Moloch. Arthas Moloch is described as being very psychically active, and covered in ruins and strange formations. The existence of Talismans (Which block psychic powers) and the Dawn Blade on Arthas Moloch likely mean one thing. Arthas Moloch was the site of a battle between the Necrontyr and Old Ones. The battle was likely apocalyptically large, leaving the planet in ruins, and the remnants of the psychic weapons and powers used by the Old Ones wore the warp dangerously thin in the area, and the weapons left by the Necrontyr (being technological in nature and not biological/psychic, like the Old Ones' weapons) were the only ones that remained. The only thing the Old Ones left behind was the thinly-worn warp near the planet. Farsight's expedition arrived just in time for the Necrontyr technologies holding the warp in check to flicker, and some daemons flooded through the breach and killed all of Farsight's Ethereals.
Therefore, in a combination of design, mechanics, and the story of Arthas Moloch, the Dawn Blade is, in fact, a Necrontyr weapon, instead of a Daemon Weapon.
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2017/01/31 14:38:39
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 17 latest info
Interesting info there Verviedi. Look forward to reading white dwarf now.
Lets hope that they dont go too far down the 'did Eldar engineer the ethereal caste' plotline. There are some mysteries that dont need solving. I hope GW can strike a balance between reveals and moving things forward and avoid 'yep the lady in the lake is an elf'.
2017/01/31 14:43:26
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 17 latest info
Galef wrote: Ya know, I am unsure about the most recent fluff behind the Dawn Blade, but in it's 5th ed description, it was HEAVILY implied. I believe Farsight found it in an "Ancient Alien Pyramid-like Tomb" and GW always seems to paint it like they paint Necron phase swords.
But I can see the War in Heaven angle that the Dawn Blade was originally Eldar, but taken by Necrons.
The Farsight codex states it was found on a faceless plaster statue that clearly pre-dates the Imperium, no pyramids mentioned. As for, the necrontyr theory, I do believe that is the most likely, though the necrons use null field generators to block out the warp and not hexagram wards, which are more of a grey knights and Eldar thing, and still doesn't explain why there is an 8 pointed dais (which is obviously a chaos shrine considering that the symbol of chaos is 8 pointed circle, and daemons burst out of it) on Arthas Moloch.
2017/01/31 14:47:07
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 17 latest info
My guess is that chaos was trying to lock the blade away.
Automatically Appended Next Post: In fact, I'm having a hard time finding any necron weapon that resembles it closely. The closest is Anrakyr's and Obyron's (but only the tip as the blade part of the weapon is very tiny), but even then, necron weapons "bulge" out towards the end. Farsights stays straight. It narrows on the backside to compensate for the curve at the end, much like the wraight knights blade. Necrons are known model wise, for using glaives, staves, and axe like weapons. even their swords more resemble a kopesh than a falchion.
So at least as far as modeling wise, I really don't think the sword is a necron weapon. Tech wise is still up for debate, but to clarify, many many companies and stories interchange life force and souls as the same thing but I dont see Eldar making a soul stealing weapon, though if Slaanesh made a weapon...
If I was to personally rank which race made the weapon, I'd give the odds something like: Eldar > Chaos > Necron > something we aren't thinking of
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What about the phase sword thingy that comes in the Deathwatch Squad sprue as an optional weapon? It has a bit of the same curve to it if I remember correctly.
The only reason I'll lend credence to the idea of it being Necron and nothing else is a matter of model timing: Consider when the first Farsight model was made, when the design of that blade came about. In that era, the closest thing to it would be the Ushabti blades for Tomb Kings. Necrons are popularly compared and vice versa.
Like a true Tomb King, change (to AoS) has left me bitter and vengeful.
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2017/01/31 16:02:15
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 17 latest info
nintura wrote: His sword greatly resembles a wraightknights sword, just saying.
It only looks similar when you cherry pick a picture of the dawn blade that crops out the most defining traits. The Dawn blade looks like a khopesh not a falchion.
nintura wrote: My guess is that chaos was trying to lock the blade away.
Automatically Appended Next Post: In fact, I'm having a hard time finding any necron weapon that resembles it closely. The closest is Anrakyr's and Obyron's (but only the tip as the blade part of the weapon is very tiny), but even then, necron weapons "bulge" out towards the end. Farsights stays straight. It narrows on the backside to compensate for the curve at the end, much like the wraight knights blade. Necrons are known model wise, for using glaives, staves, and axe like weapons. even their swords more resemble a kopesh than a falchion.
So at least as far as modeling wise, I really don't think the sword is a necron weapon. Tech wise is still up for debate, but to clarify, many many companies and stories interchange life force and souls as the same thing but I dont see Eldar making a soul stealing weapon, though if Slaanesh made a weapon...
If I was to personally rank which race made the weapon, I'd give the odds something like: Eldar > Chaos > Necron > something we aren't thinking of
I mean, the lichguard hyper phase sword looks almost identical and that took me 2 seconds to think of.
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Vorian wrote: Farsights sword existed before these swords were a glint in the milkman's eye, so it's pointless to search for previous clues :p
If they want to change it to be one they will, if they don't, they won't.
Yea exactly. If it turns out that the Dawn blade is a missing link then it will be a retcon making it fit.
The more I think about all this the more I realize she won't find the last sword any time soon. Leaving two swords means you can launch a future campaign for the fourth and still leave things a half minute to midnight. She won't complete her mission however, just like Abbadon won't complete his. If she finds all 5 swords and makes Voltron Then the eldars whole shtick ends. I think the whole point in mentioning her mission is to get people excited for the future, which this thread demonstrates, a cliff hanger is always better then a full story arch when your selling a game setting like this.
Look at the alternative, she finds all the swords within the next year. OK, not really the compelling struggle, so now what? Either it was all a waste and it doesn't in fact work or it saves the Eldar and pops Slaanesh creating an even greater issue.
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nintura wrote: His sword greatly resembles a wraightknights sword, just saying.
It only looks similar when you cherry pick a picture of the dawn blade that crops out the most defining traits. The Dawn blade looks like a khopesh not a falchion.
I dont get what you're pointing at. Everyone either shows the same image or has his sword at an angle and you can't see it. But I finally found one. Also, it's not even close to a khopesh.... Lastly, what are you on? That hyperphase sword looks nothing similar, its even further out than the khopesh. On top of that, the HP Swords are modeled after axes...
Hell, look at the pommel between his sword and the wraith knight or even the other eldar swords. They all have their "power supplies" which are also similar.
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I can appreciate that the new fluff bits have us all in supposition, but I really do think that we probably will never have definitive answer.
It's all setup, creating reasons for quests and conflicts; it doesn't matter if the macguffin is Morag's missing fingers or Russ's butt-pelt or Vulcan's Master-Crafted shoehorn.
Like a true Tomb King, change (to AoS) has left me bitter and vengeful.
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2017/01/31 16:27:29
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 17 latest info
The original Dawn blade looked more Khopesh but it's funny, after you post that picture of a lych guard at least to me it looks far more like the LG hyper phase sword then any eldar weapons.
Either way i still stand by my position that we will never find out where or what the final two blades are. It's no different then any other fluff story like finding all of Vulcans missing artifacts etc.
I mean, people used the lfuff as justification for Yriel and Malys being the eldar characters and look how that turned out lol.
kronk wrote: Maybe they will tell us who made the sword, or maybe the sculpter just made some gak he thought was cool and we're speculating over nothing?
Would've thought "Rule of Cool" would be an important part of sculpting, personally. That aside, I'm sure we'll get some interviews from one of the sculptors on WHTV's Twitch channel.
And despite wanting him to be either Yriel or Ahra, I like his backstory too.
#Truth. This is the first new story that GW has produced in years that I'm excited about.
Now what I want to know is someone brought up that craftworld "Altanis" (Spelling?) that looks similar to Ynnari and then that craftworld now gets brought up in the white dwarf as they intervene in Eldrads trial.
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Then the eldars whole shtick ends. I think the whole point in mentioning her mission is to get people excited for the future, which this thread demonstrates, a cliff hanger is always better then a full story arch when your selling a game setting like this.
