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So looking at running two of these bad boys for the 40pts. Had a quick question regarding the range for the plasma benefit. Do the models have to be within 2" of the reactor part of the model or just 2" from any part of the model including the pipes?

The rule says within 2" of the haeomotrope reactor, which would include the small pipe section that is part of the model.

Note though that, unless the weapon specifically states it counts as a plasma weapon as per the rulebook, the haemotrope reactor's rule only benefits plasma pistol, plasma gun and plasma cannon.

Apologies if I'm remembering an older edition, but I thought that the Tau pulse weapons also counted as plasma?

Cheers

Andrew

 AndrewC wrote:
Apologies if I'm remembering an older edition, but I thought that the Tau pulse weapons also counted as plasma?

Cheers

Andrew

They used to for an inquisition relic, but not any more, and the haemotrope reactors are( IIRC) specific to BRB plasma weapons.

The FAQ stats all plasma weapons, including Tau Plasma rifles

 Rolsheen wrote:
The FAQ stats all plasma weapons, including Tau Plasma rifles

Source? Because I checked the FAQ for Tau, the BRB, and Stronghold Assault, and I checked to make sure that there was no other relevant FAQ. None of them mention this. The Inquisition supplement mentions various weapons for the purpose of the Ulumeathi Plasma Siphon, but there is nothing mentioning Haemotrope Reactors that I was able to find.

The Inquisitor FAQ contains the reference to Tau Plasma Rifles.

Cheers

Andrew

 AndrewC wrote:
The Inquisitor FAQ contains the reference to Tau Plasma Rifles.

Cheers

Andrew

Yes, but *that doesn't apply to Haemotrope reactors*. The FAQ very explicitly says that they count as Plasma for the purposes of interacting with the Plasma Siphon.

The Haemotrope Reactor says you need to be a plasma weapon from.the BRB.

We're talking at cross purposes here.

Last edition Tau PULSE weapons were classed as plasma weapons for the purposes of the siphon. That refence has been removed from the latest FAQ for the Siphon to only include the PLASMA rifle.

Your earlier quote suggested that you were unaware of that reference which is why I directed you to that page.

Now, personally I think you have a problem with your definition of plasma, because the BRB does not define a plasma weapon but gives examples of that type of weapon. Also, and this is a pedantic view, since you are unable to buy any weapons from the BRB, as you buy weapons from various codecii you can never gain the bonuses.

We both know that that is not the case and plasma weapons in general gain the bonuses, but we are still left with the question "What is a plasma weapon?"

Cheers

Andrew

 AndrewC wrote:
Now, personally I think you have a problem with your definition of plasma, because the BRB does not define a plasma weapon but gives examples of that type of weapon.

The fact it doesn't say, "Plasma weapons are defined as..." does not mean the contents of the list are not plasma weapons. Quite clearly they are what the rulebook determines to be plasma weapons.

Also, and this is a pedantic view, since you are unable to buy any weapons from the BRB, as you buy weapons from various codecii you can never gain the bonuses.

There is no requirement from the haemotrope reactor's rule to have purchased the plasma weapon from the rulebook. Unless you are suggesting a plasma pistol from say Codex: Space Marines is not plainly the same weapon as that listed in Warhammer 40,000: The Rules.

We both know that that is not the case and plasma weapons in general gain the bonuses, but we are still left with the question "What is a plasma weapon?"

No. Clearly only plasma weapons as defined in Warhammer 40,000: The Rules gain the bonuses, as the rule plainly says. You may question some wider definition of what a plasma weapon is, but we clearly know three examples of what Warhammer 40,000: The Rules defines as plasma weapons.

Okay, here's what you said:

 AndrewC wrote:

Your earlier quote suggested that you were unaware of that reference which is why I directed you to that page.

And here's what I said, a little bit earlier:

Source? Because I checked the FAQ for Tau, the BRB, and Stronghold Assault, and I checked to make sure that there was no other relevant FAQ. None of them mention this. The Inquisition supplement mentions various weapons for the purpose of the Ulumeathi Plasma Siphon, but there is nothing mentioning Haemotrope Reactors that I was able to find.

So, I'm curious. Really. How did you read my post and assume that I hadn't read the Inquisition FAQ?

Now, personally I think you have a problem with your definition of plasma, because the BRB does not define a plasma weapon but gives examples of that type of weapon. Also, and this is a pedantic view, since you are unable to buy any weapons from the BRB, as you buy weapons from various codecii you can never gain the bonuses.

We both know that that is not the case and plasma weapons in general gain the bonuses, but we are still left with the question "What is a plasma weapon?"

Cheers

Why is my definition of Plasma narrow, when the Haemotrope reactor rules specifically tell you to use the Plasma weapons, and I quote: "As defined in Warhammer 40,000: The Rules". The BRB defines what counts as a Plasma weapon in this particular instance, because it is the only reference that Haemotrope Reactors allow you to use. Period.

Waaaghpower wrote:
Okay, here's what you said:

 AndrewC wrote:

Your earlier quote suggested that you were unaware of that reference which is why I directed you to that page.

And here's what I said, a little bit earlier:

Source? Because I checked the FAQ for Tau, the BRB, and Stronghold Assault, and I checked to make sure that there was no other relevant FAQ. None of them mention this. The Inquisition supplement mentions various weapons for the purpose of the Ulumeathi Plasma Siphon, but there is nothing mentioning Haemotrope Reactors that I was able to find.

So, I'm curious. Really. How did you read my post and assume that I hadn't read the Inquisition FAQ?

Because I was lazy and didn't read the name of the poster when I replied.

Now, personally I think you have a problem with your definition of plasma, because the BRB does not define a plasma weapon but gives examples of that type of weapon. Also, and this is a pedantic view, since you are unable to buy any weapons from the BRB, as you buy weapons from various codecii you can never gain the bonuses.

We both know that that is not the case and plasma weapons in general gain the bonuses, but we are still left with the question "What is a plasma weapon?"

Why is my definition of Plasma narrow, when the Haemotrope reactor rules specifically tell you to use the Plasma weapons, and I quote: "As defined in Warhammer 40,000: The Rules". The BRB defines what counts as a Plasma weapon in this particular instance, because it is the only reference that Haemotrope Reactors allow you to use. Period.

I'll repeat again, the BRB does not define a plasma weapon but lists examples of the most common types. It is not an exhaustive list. As I said earlier, being pedantic, you can argue that a plasma weapon bought from a codex is not a plasma weapon from the BRB. So is a plasma grenade a plasma weapon? or tyranid bio plasma?

I would ask you a question, which I may have missed the answer earlier. Are you saying that with no exceptions the only weapons that can gain benefit from the reactor are those three weapons?

Cheers

Andrew



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 Mr. Shine wrote:

 AndrewC wrote:
Now, personally I think you have a problem with your definition of plasma, because the BRB does not define a plasma weapon but gives examples of that type of weapon.

The fact it doesn't say, "Plasma weapons are defined as..." does not mean the contents of the list are not plasma weapons. Quite clearly they are what the rulebook determines to be plasma weapons.

Exactly and not so exactly. The rulebook hasn't defined what are plasma weapons, it has provided three examples. So yes they are plasma weapons, but the rulebook never defines them as the only weapons that are plasma.

No. Clearly only plasma weapons as defined in Warhammer 40,000: The Rules gain the bonuses, as the rule plainly says. You may question some wider definition of what a plasma weapon is, but we clearly know three examples of what Warhammer 40,000: The Rules defines as plasma weapons.

As you said we clearly know three examples, but we don't have a definitive list.

Cheers

Andrew

Yes to your main question. The only weapons that gain the benefits are the Plasma weapons in the BRB.

Incedentally, your pedantry is also inaccurate. Plasma Weapons in codices actually tell you to reference the profiles in the BRB.


The rules of the Haemotrope reactor tell you to use the definition of 'Plasma' found in the BRB. Not any other source.

Point conceded. However it is also fair to say that if a codex refers a weapon as being a plasma weapon (by referring it back to the BRB) then it also gains the benefits of the reactor.

Cheers

Andrew

Waaaghpower wrote:
Yes to your main question. The only weapons that gain the benefits are the Plasma weapons in the BRB.

Incedentally, your pedantry is also inaccurate. Plasma Weapons in codices actually tell you to reference the profiles in the BRB.


The rules of the Haemotrope reactor tell you to use the definition of 'Plasma' found in the BRB. Not any other source.

But there is no definition of Plasma weapons, aside the colourful text before the examples.. so are you impliying we must *trust* any flavor text as part of the definition so we can for a quick example throw in Eldar Starcannons and Suncannons as Plasma due their flavor text pointing how those are plasma weapons that unlike the stupid lesser races who lack skills don't overheat?

Lord Perversor wrote:

Waaaghpower wrote:
Yes to your main question. The only weapons that gain the benefits are the Plasma weapons in the BRB.

Incedentally, your pedantry is also inaccurate. Plasma Weapons in codices actually tell you to reference the profiles in the BRB.


The rules of the Haemotrope reactor tell you to use the definition of 'Plasma' found in the BRB. Not any other source.

But there is no definition of Plasma weapons, aside the colourful text before the examples.. so are you impliying we must *trust* any flavor text as part of the definition so we can for a quick example throw in Eldar Starcannons and Suncannons as Plasma due their flavor text pointing how those are plasma weapons that unlike the stupid lesser races who lack skills don't overheat?

Except that, in every single instance, flavor text =/= rules. The book says 'These are Plasma weapons', by very obviously listing in big, bold letters PLASMA WEAPONS before listing the pistol, gun, and cannon. The Haemotrope reactors say 'Use Plasma weapons, as defined in the BRB.'

If you get any other meaning from that, you're stretching far enough to join the Fantastic 4.

Waaaghpower wrote:

Except that, in every single instance, flavor text =/= rules. The book says 'These are Plasma weapons', by very obviously listing in big, bold letters PLASMA WEAPONS before listing the pistol, gun, and cannon. The Haemotrope reactors say 'Use Plasma weapons, as defined in the BRB.'

If you get any other meaning from that, you're stretching far enough to join the Fantastic 4.

And, it may be helpful to remember, this *exact situation* came up with the Promethium Relay Pipes and 'Flamer Weapons as defined by the BRB' when those came out, to the same result after FAQ updates. The only difference is, as far as i'm aware, no codex actually has a 'plasma weapons' section, whereas there are at least 2 codices with a flamer weapon section.

 Mr. Shine wrote:
The rule says within 2" of the haeomotrope reactor, which would include the small pipe section that is part of the model.

Note though that, unless the weapon specifically states it counts as a plasma weapon as per the rulebook, the haemotrope reactor's rule only benefits plasma pistol, plasma gun and plasma cannon.

I was going in the same direction as it's part of the model. Thanks.

Surprised how much attention this got for other things though lol.

What happens when it dies? Does it remain on the field or is it completely removed?