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SamusDrake wrote:
Is the Open War deck focused on open play, or just a quick way to get matched play up and running?

Both really. Deck is divided into Deployment maps, Primary Objectives, Secondary Objectives, planetary effects and battlefield effects. You don't have to use all options in a deck, so if you wanted to leave out secondary objectives for example, you can. There's no refernce to open or matched play in the deck. If you're able to, grab a deck.

Will do Zedmeister.

Cheers.

 zedmeister wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
The Open War deck is *great*...so great that I picked up a second deck. Not to scalp, but because I know at least one of my friends will probably miss out on it and regret it later.

I'd go further and say it's amazing for what it offers. Real shame that the cards are limited but it's easy enough to transfer to a series of tables that you can roll off on, so hopefully GW will move to duplicate the cards with tables in books.

I ordered my second deck from Amazon at regular price just the other day. So there may be some still out there for players who are interested. Personally, I'd say they should be if they're a fan of AT.

I'd like to put my deck in sleeves, but if I do that I'm going to need a new deck box, and they don't really exist in that size that I can find. *Sigh*...those first world problems...

 zedmeister wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
Is the Open War deck focused on open play, or just a quick way to get matched play up and running?

Both really. Deck is divided into Deployment maps, Primary Objectives, Secondary Objectives, planetary effects and battlefield effects. You don't have to use all options in a deck, so if you wanted to leave out secondary objectives for example, you can. There's no refernce to open or matched play in the deck. If you're able to, grab a deck.

Yeah I think that's the best part about it, because you can drop any cards it's very easy to edit. Damn shame it's limited though, it seems infinitely better than the lackluster core match play scenarios. It's not perfect mind you, I'd be dropping all the tri angular deployment maps out of the deck right off the bat.



I think the shame with the new knights is we have to wait for the player base to see the rules for the models they're trying to sell us. That's just a damn shame, I really think they should preview the command terminal a bit more, right now we're not even 100% sure on banner size, it's like 3-6 because they're questoris but these are also new command terminals with different weapons and rules so it could be 2-4 for all we know, also don't even know if there's weapon options on either model so that also affects knowing how many a player might need to purchase to pull off a certain loadout.



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SamusDrake wrote:
Is the Open War deck focused on open play, or just a quick way to get matched play up and running?

Here's a decent look at them

Cheers, Crablezworth, they do indeed look good.

Wish I had preordered them but its yet another sign of GW jerking AT players around. Not good at all.

Oh, the knight kits released so far have been in at least their minimum banner size. If the new machanicum knights were at least 3 knights they would have been just included the third and increased the price accordingly.

There’s a few on eBay now that are going for £30 sealed and just under.

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SamusDrake wrote:
Cheers, Crablezworth, they do indeed look good.

Wish I had preordered them but its yet another sign of GW jerking AT players around. Not good at all.

Oh, the knight kits released so far have been in at least their minimum banner size. If the new machanicum knights were at least 3 knights they would have been just included the third and increased the price accordingly.

Just sent you a PM - ignore the eBay link as I found a place cheaper and reputable

Much appreciated Zedmeister.

Looking into them right now.

No problem. Check the second PM I sent - ignore the eBay one!

Yes, that gave me a fright!

At least here they are on separate purchases. Was worrying they would come paired 1 of each like certain other knight

Thats true.

Are you thinking of getting some, tneva?

Upon casual inspection, I'd say the Styrix looks somewhat more useful than the Magaera.

Thoughts on which variant would get more use on the tabletop?

Magaera is pointless because its gun is just a worse version of rapid fire battle cannon, and it's probably is more expensive.

SamusDrake wrote:
Thats true.

Are you thinking of getting some, tneva?

Not right away(hobby budget) but eventually likely. Especially shield stripping one interests


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Chopstick wrote:
Magaera is pointless because its gun is just a worse version of rapid fire battle cannon, and it's probably is more expensive.

Until you run into squadrons or knight banners.

Also funny assumption it will be more expensive AND worse. Now if gw main studio wrote rules sure. Plastic vs resin. However fw has shown less inclination　to screw resin rules for sake of profit

I am only interested in the mechanics of the game because I can have enough PACIFIC RIM action with my IKs & Stompa.

tneva82 wrote:


Until you run into squadrons or knight banners.

Also funny assumption it will be more expensive AND worse. Now if gw main studio wrote rules sure. Plastic vs resin. However fw has shown less inclination　to screw resin rules for sake of profit

You don't expect to hit 2 knights with a 3" blast unless you fought a pretty dumb player, or the shot scattered, which mean you lose the bonus hit for center shot, and even worse, it could hit your own unit. In that case the RFBC does 2 shot, and risk-free.

tneva82 wrote:


Not right away(hobby budget) but eventually likely. Especially shield stripping one interests

Yes, the void-stripping potential was promising. Shame about the price...

Nice review of the open engine war cards

https://www.goonhammer.com/warlord-wednesdays-open-engine-war-cards-review/

Got my Knights today

Styrix - max banner 4 knights - Initial price is 100 for two + weapons which are between 10-15pts an arm. Additional knights can be added for 45pts per chassis. Graviton gun upgrade with a S3 hit with concussive. Won't do much apart from slap em about a bit. Can be armed with two Volkite Chieroviles(!)
Magaera - pretty much the same

 zedmeister wrote:
Got my Knights today

Styrix - max banner 4 knights - Initial price is 100 for two + weapons which are between 10-15pts an arm. Additional knights can be added for 45pts per chassis. Graviton gun upgrade with a S3 hit with concussive. Won't do much apart from slap em about a bit. Can be armed with two Volkite Chieroviles(!)
Magaera - pretty much the same

They seem way too expensive point wise, I was excited to see 100pts and 2-4 cuz it meant something I could potentially cram into a battlegroup but if they're gonna be like 140-160pts for 2 it just seems silly, that's almost as much as 2 lancers. The hekaton's are unfortunately only S6, they have rending but sorta dissapointing. Definitely happy you can potentially do dual volkite, that seems like the only viable build IMO.

Any chance we could get specific costing for the styrix's weapons? It's a bit weird being asked to buy something by forgeworld essentially blind.

So, Stupid question probably
do you think they will ever add like, Xenos Factions? They have enough Super Heavies to make it worth it i think for others.
Tau can get like Stormsurges, Riptides, Surpremacy suits and the like.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So, Stupid question probably
do you think they will ever add like, Xenos Factions? They have enough Super Heavies to make it worth it i think for others.
Tau can get like Stormsurges, Riptides, Surpremacy suits and the like.

Probably years away. The setting for the game is unabashedly the HH, and they apparently have more Imperial Titans in the works, and presumably corrupted (Chaos) versions of the Imperial lines. It feels like COVID really hit AT harder than some of the other lines, as we've been getting campaign books but with extremely light miniatures support.

If xenos happens, I expect it'd have a historical setting like the HH, and Orks and Eldar would be the favorites to get support in that scenario.

I don't see xenos happening, even the chaos titan and knights along with blackshields, I suspect sadly will likely just be fw upgrade kits for plastic titans and won't even have their own "corrupted" or "blackshield" command terminals. Even the last fw efforts point to low effort on the gaming accesory side, with no option to even buy the command terminals in card stock, you get crappy paper that doesn't even hold the pips without a hole punch. Why buy a psi titan to just get the crappy paper command terminal? le sigh



One consideration for the styrix a friend pointed out, each claw is doing 2 attacks, so dual claw might be ok given they have rending.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So, Stupid question probably
do you think they will ever add like, Xenos Factions? They have enough Super Heavies to make it worth it i think for others.
Tau can get like Stormsurges, Riptides, Surpremacy suits and the like.

They said in one of the early videos that they'll do different campaigns to introduce Xenos factions - War of the Beast was mentioned for Orks.

 Crablezworth wrote:
I don't see xenos happening, even the chaos titan and knights along with blackshields, I suspect sadly will likely just be fw upgrade kits for plastic titans and won't even have their own "corrupted" or "blackshield" command terminals. Even the last fw efforts point to low effort on the gaming accesory side, with no option to even buy the command terminals in card stock, you get crappy paper that doesn't even hold the pips without a hole punch. Why buy a psi titan to just get the crappy paper command terminal? le sigh

IIRC they can do the paper ones in-house but need to contract out the thicker ones.

In other news; checking out the new strategem card in White Dwarf!

"Venerable Machine spirit".

For one titan only and at a cost of 2, it raises the WS and BS +1 for the rest of the battle and may issue repair and charge orders without a command check.

Downside is that the command value is reduced by 3.

SamusDrake wrote:
In other news; checking out the new strategem card in White Dwarf!

"Venerable Machine spirit".

For one titan only and at a cost of 2, it raises the WS and BS +1 for the rest of the battle and may issue repair and charge orders without a command check.

Downside is that the command value is reduced by 3.

Seems cool, it also has that if it fails its command check to quell the machine spirit the belligerent result is automatically applied.

Seems cool, sorta like a titan of legend. The ballistic bump is just all around great regardless of load out, whether high shot or blast heavy. Definitely cool on a reaver or up.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So, Stupid question probably
do you think they will ever add like, Xenos Factions? They have enough Super Heavies to make it worth it i think for others.
Tau can get like Stormsurges, Riptides, Surpremacy suits and the like.

Not for the foreseeable future, sadly.

However, there are such things as ork freebooter titans and knights. With little effort one could easily use plasticard to convert models in the current range, and if memory serves correctly...there are those who have written homebrew rules for such a faction.

At the very least, I could see it happening in White Dwarf...

SamusDrake wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So, Stupid question probably
do you think they will ever add like, Xenos Factions? They have enough Super Heavies to make it worth it i think for others.
Tau can get like Stormsurges, Riptides, Surpremacy suits and the like.

Not for the foreseeable future, sadly.

However, there are such things as ork freebooter titans and knights. With little effort one could easily use plasticard to convert models in the current range, and if memory serves correctly...there are those who have written homebrew rules for such a faction.

At the very least, I could see it happening in White Dwarf...

I think the only viable route is count as, like tau for example could work as an all knight force, acastus could be superiority armour, stormsurge could or riptides could be questoris, lancers could just be a bunch of crisis on a base like taking oof or landing with their jetpacks so they're the same height overall, like a swarm base from 40k.

Orks or eldar count as could work but you'd need some really absurdly big gargants for orks and eldar would need to scale up some of their titans so their size/base makes sense.

 Crablezworth wrote:
I don't see xenos happening, even the chaos titan and knights along with blackshields, I suspect sadly will likely just be fw upgrade kits for plastic titans and won't even have their own "corrupted" or "blackshield" command terminals. Even the last fw efforts point to low effort on the gaming accesory side, with no option to even buy the command terminals in card stock, you get crappy paper that doesn't even hold the pips without a hole punch. Why buy a psi titan to just get the crappy paper command terminal? le sigh

Since I discovered the joys of rubber steel sheet, now I actually prefer the paper terminals.

The thing is Titans don't age.

The 30K titans are the same as the 40K titans. So there is nothing to stop GW advancing the games age forward and introducing Chaos tainted and totally custom warped titans and then on toward Xenos.

Indeed because of the nature of the game at some stage they will likely have to do it to keep having releases.


I see it as something that will happen, when is hard to say and could well be years off. I think the AT team is very strict in never saying yes nor no because its not current marketing. In fact the only long term marketing GW has ever really done is the Old World game tease. Otherwise they tend to focus on a more 3 month or so window of marketing and info release (with them now attempting an annual update for Necromunda).