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 Crablezworth wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
So wait.

Your whole upset is over the fact that "third parties beat them to market by months"?

How many of those third parties are actually selling physical products versus STL files? How many of those third parties are actually getting their products on store shelves?

It's almost like my painted dire wolf can't really be played without a terminal and rules... this is something not currently available from third party's. Why is that a good thing?

Is the Dire Wolf even released yet, outside of third parties?

Why should they care that you're not able to play with something you got from elsewhere? Why do you expect them to cater to that?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
So wait.

Your whole upset is over the fact that "third parties beat them to market by months"?

How many of those third parties are actually selling physical products versus STL files? How many of those third parties are actually getting their products on store shelves?

It's almost like my painted dire wolf can't really be played without a terminal and rules... this is something not currently available from third party's. Why is that a good thing?

Is the Dire Wolf even released yet, outside of third parties?

Why should they care that you're not able to play with something you got from elsewhere? Why do you expect them to cater to that?

"Why should the company that requires profit to still exist make things consumers want?" Is what I get from that.

What profit, exactly, are they getting from your 3rd party model?

 Kanluwen wrote:
What profit, exactly, are they getting from your 3rd party model?

I can't exactly buy one from them if it isn't for sale, fren. Third parties are the only game in town it seems.

 Crablezworth wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
So wait.

Your whole upset is over the fact that "third parties beat them to market by months"?

How many of those third parties are actually selling physical products versus STL files? How many of those third parties are actually getting their products on store shelves?

It's almost like my painted dire wolf can't really be played without a terminal and rules... this is something not currently available from third party's. Why is that a good thing?

Is the Dire Wolf even released yet, outside of third parties?

Why should they care that you're not able to play with something you got from elsewhere? Why do you expect them to cater to that?

"Why should the company that requires profit to still exist make things consumers want?" Is what I get from that.

I want a hamburger. Why don't they make that?

Take a breath, count to ten and come back when you are rested.

 Theophony wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
So wait.

Your whole upset is over the fact that "third parties beat them to market by months"?

How many of those third parties are actually selling physical products versus STL files? How many of those third parties are actually getting their products on store shelves?

It's almost like my painted dire wolf can't really be played without a terminal and rules... this is something not currently available from third party's. Why is that a good thing?

Is the Dire Wolf even released yet, outside of third parties?

Why should they care that you're not able to play with something you got from elsewhere? Why do you expect them to cater to that?

"Why should the company that requires profit to still exist make things consumers want?" Is what I get from that.

I want a hamburger. Why don't they make that?

Take a breath, count to ten and come back when you are rested.

The dire wolf is in the title of this thread, if you go back, you can see it previewed, followed by third parties, followed by literally me posting a finished third party one because it still hasn't been released. Why is that good? Why is that good for GW? Why is it bad for me to want them to release a model or at least announce when it will be released?

 Crablezworth wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Okay, I thought my criticism was respectfully put but your response has confirmed to me that your opinions can be entirely ignored (and likely derided) from now on, ty.

That's cool, here's some AT content other than shooting the messenger and tone policing.

The message is a baseless claim that is so oft repeated by you that it can now accurately be classified as a rant. But yes carry on. It will eventually be proven correct, given a long enough span of time.

Has anyone looked at Steel Rift, yet?

 Crablezworth wrote:

 Theophony wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
So wait.

Your whole upset is over the fact that "third parties beat them to market by months"?

How many of those third parties are actually selling physical products versus STL files? How many of those third parties are actually getting their products on store shelves?

It's almost like my painted dire wolf can't really be played without a terminal and rules... this is something not currently available from third party's. Why is that a good thing?

Is the Dire Wolf even released yet, outside of third parties?

Why should they care that you're not able to play with something you got from elsewhere? Why do you expect them to cater to that?

"Why should the company that requires profit to still exist make things consumers want?" Is what I get from that.

I want a hamburger. Why don't they make that?

Take a breath, count to ten and come back when you are rested.

The dire wolf is in the title of this thread, if you go back, you can see it previewed, followed by third parties, followed by literally me posting a finished third party one because it still hasn't been released. Why is that good? Why is that good for GW? Why is it bad for me to want them to release a model or at least announce when it will be released?

GW as a company must continue to preview items to keep the excitement alive. With the current worldwide global reset happening and delays on material, shipping and everything else lead times are insane. The specialist range takes a backseat to the main games and items get pushed back. A company that needs to maximize its production and shipping has to make cuts in some places and AT is far less productive than 40K. One specialist game model which is never going to sell more than a couple pieces to avid gamers is such a smaller priority it is silly.

On the fact that third party people can get stls out quicker than physical models, do you even realize what your saying? They literally spent a couple hours at most making modifications to another stl file. There is no comparing a 3d print model to the designs that are produced by GW, are approved by the powers that be at GW and then still need all the info sent to development to have "Proper" terminals made and approved. Not to mention them producing them and marketing the kit. Third party people come in with an "acceptably similar" design after half the work is done and don't have to worry about production and development of any physical aspects of the game.

The title of the thread has changed many times in the 5+ years that this thread has been running. More often than not the title changes when the model is announced and it is a while before they become available. Nothing new here.

You make wonderful models, paint great details and bring a lot to the forum, but recently you have become exceedingly negative. Most times I just put people on Ignore, but your AT stuff is a reason that I have gotten the starter set and I do want to see more of your work so I haven't.

JWBS wrote:
I don’t understand your doomerism on this issue at all crabblzeworth. You seem absolutely intent about it (mostly on the basis of a random 4chan post, from what I remember), and you’re the only one that’s pushing this theory, and it’s bizarre to me because it’s entirely without basis, it’s unproductive (with respect, I personally find it wearying and I think I detect that from others too) and I don’t think any fans of the other specialist games see the slower rate of sg releases in the same overly negative way. There is no ‘blood bowl is dying guys I just know it’ talk around here, for example (none that I can remember anyway).

To expand on this a little:

Blood Bowl was released in 2016, had a slow down in new releases, then saw a second edition in late 2020 followed by regular new models.
Necromunda was released in 2017, had a slow down in new releases last year, and just over four years later we're now seeing a fairly substantial update in a new setting with vehicles.
Adeptus Titanicus was released in 2018, and is currently undergoing a slow down in in new content...

 Theophony wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:

 Theophony wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
So wait.

Your whole upset is over the fact that "third parties beat them to market by months"?

How many of those third parties are actually selling physical products versus STL files? How many of those third parties are actually getting their products on store shelves?

It's almost like my painted dire wolf can't really be played without a terminal and rules... this is something not currently available from third party's. Why is that a good thing?

Is the Dire Wolf even released yet, outside of third parties?

Why should they care that you're not able to play with something you got from elsewhere? Why do you expect them to cater to that?

"Why should the company that requires profit to still exist make things consumers want?" Is what I get from that.

I want a hamburger. Why don't they make that?

Take a breath, count to ten and come back when you are rested.

The dire wolf is in the title of this thread, if you go back, you can see it previewed, followed by third parties, followed by literally me posting a finished third party one because it still hasn't been released. Why is that good? Why is that good for GW? Why is it bad for me to want them to release a model or at least announce when it will be released?

GW as a company must continue to preview items to keep the excitement alive. With the current worldwide global reset happening and delays on material, shipping and everything else lead times are insane. The specialist range takes a backseat to the main games and items get pushed back. A company that needs to maximize its production and shipping has to make cuts in some places and AT is far less productive than 40K. One specialist game model which is never going to sell more than a couple pieces to avid gamers is such a smaller priority it is silly.

On the fact that third party people can get stls out quicker than physical models, do you even realize what your saying? They literally spent a couple hours at most making modifications to another stl file. There is no comparing a 3d print model to the designs that are produced by GW, are approved by the powers that be at GW and then still need all the info sent to development to have "Proper" terminals made and approved. Not to mention them producing them and marketing the kit. Third party people come in with an "acceptably similar" design after half the work is done and don't have to worry about production and development of any physical aspects of the game.

The title of the thread has changed many times in the 5+ years that this thread has been running. More often than not the title changes when the model is announced and it is a while before they become available. Nothing new here.

You make wonderful models, paint great details and bring a lot to the forum, but recently you have become exceedingly negative. Most times I just put people on Ignore, but your AT stuff is a reason that I have gotten the starter set and I do want to see more of your work so I haven't.

Call it tough love and It seems you've discovered the trick, if my words have a negative impact then ignore them. That's not the same as me owing this game or its maker universal fealty and praise. I put a lot of time into this, it's proportional to how strongly I feel about certain aspects of the game, for better or worse.

But c'mon, half this hobby is shoot the damn messenger. I'd like rules for the dire wolf now. I don't think that's negative or controversial to say in the slightest. And as someone who understands the concept of under promise and over deliver, they can set expectations all they want with a preview of what games are getting some sort of announcement, little old me just thought maybe we'd see a picture of the dire wolf or maybe even an announcement on when it will be released. How many pages before this turns from discussing rumours and upcoming releases to just lets defend gw at all cost for sheer lack of new releases on the horizon.

Wanting them to release rules for a model they previewed a while ago for a game I play is not negative, For all the wish listing about xenos titans, I post some and no one bats an eye and they honestly fit the scale pretty well. I appreciate the kind words in relation to the models/painting, but I'm not exactly troubled if you find my opinions not your liking, you don't have to suffer them to skip right to the photos. Skin in the game, basically.

Anyway, here's hoping we see the dire wolf terminal/rules soon. Seeing them in relation to adepticon would have been nice.




Something I noticed while re-reading the custom legio rules, one of the traits, vanguard fighters, mentions scale 6 and 7 titans, this is the one that allows them to first fire without command check if no other friendly titan is within 6 inches and gives +1 to hit, could be very good for the dire wolf, if we ever see it.


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 xttz wrote:

JWBS wrote:
I don’t understand your doomerism on this issue at all crabblzeworth. You seem absolutely intent about it (mostly on the basis of a random 4chan post, from what I remember), and you’re the only one that’s pushing this theory, and it’s bizarre to me because it’s entirely without basis, it’s unproductive (with respect, I personally find it wearying and I think I detect that from others too) and I don’t think any fans of the other specialist games see the slower rate of sg releases in the same overly negative way. There is no ‘blood bowl is dying guys I just know it’ talk around here, for example (none that I can remember anyway).

To expand on this a little:

Blood Bowl was released in 2016, had a slow down in new releases, then saw a second edition in late 2020 followed by regular new models.
Necromunda was released in 2017, had a slow down in new releases last year, and just over four years later we're now seeing a fairly substantial update in a new setting with vehicles.
Adeptus Titanicus was released in 2018, and is currently undergoing a slow down in in new content...

And even blood bowl is getting announcements. The slow down seems palpable. I get hated for mentioning the rumour that it might end this year, but again it could. Just like 30k getting 2.0, that could be where its heading next year.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Warlord Titan: "Don't make me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry..."

Dude, not every game is getting announcements every event. That's life. I would love for Middle-Earth and Warcry to get something every time, but they don't so they wait their turn.

Why would they put up a picture of something they already showed a picture for?

They gave the Dire Wolf its own article as an announcement on January 24th 2022.

Heck, the article even makes it clear that it will not be an immediate thing:

Both variations of the Dire Wolf Heavy Scout Titan will be available from Forge World later in the year.

I really fail to see how it is GW's fault that you bought a third party iteration of that model before the rules were ever out and are now stuck waiting.

SamusDrake wrote:
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Warlord Titan: "Don't make me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry..."

The pov shot where the warlord just freaking melts the target is great.

This made me laugh



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 Kanluwen wrote:
Why would they put up a picture of something they already showed a picture for?

They gave the Dire Wolf its own article as an announcement on January 24th 2022.

Heck, the article even makes it clear that it will not be an immediate thing:

Both variations of the Dire Wolf Heavy Scout Titan will be available from Forge World later in the year.

I really fail to see how it is GW's fault that you bought a third party iteration of that model before the rules were ever out and are now stuck waiting.

Explain why any of this is good for me. I'll wait.


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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Dude, not every game is getting announcements every event. That's life. I would love for Middle-Earth and Warcry to get something every time, but they don't so they wait their turn.

You're right, I guess I'll stop sharing my opinions now. Oh wait, no I won't.

Explain why you should be able to play with a model from a third party before the official model is ever released.

I'll wait.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Explain why you should be able to play with a model from a third party before the official model is ever released.

I'll wait.

My entire lamentation is I can't, explain why that should make me content.

"Hey this guy wants GW to release rules and a model they previewed months ago" like how is this bad?

Literally 60 days since they previewed it.

And GW normally operates on a principle of releasing a model within 3 months of previewing it. So we've got the whole of April before we're outside that window.

The cardstock terminal may make this a little trickier for AT, depending on where they're produced.

So, you're gonna buy one? Or are you just waiting for the terminals+rules to hit the web?

This is the whole situation in a nutshell. You couldn't wait to buy it, and now you're stuck waiting for the rules. Bummer I guess?

I bought a Thanatar from FW for my AdMech in advance of a book that never ended up happening and rules that have never materialized. Life sucks, I guess?

 Crablezworth wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Explain why you should be able to play with a model from a third party before the official model is ever released.

I'll wait.

My entire lamentation is I can't, explain why that should make me content.

"Hey this guy wants GW to release rules and a model they previewed months ago" like how is this bad?

Literally 60 days since they previewed it.

If they released the rules for you now, then when the next book comes out with the rules printed in it people will cry that it's just filler and it was already release. GW will make the rules available probably in the next book, it's their way of generating revenue. You don't like it...too bad.

At this point you begin to look like the brat child that throws a temper tantrum at the FLGS because their opponent (Who is playing by the rules) isn't letting little timmy win like mommy and daddy do at home. It makes everyone else in the place dislike showing up to the shop to play because he whines and cries at every opportunity. The store owner is put in the bad spot of possibly losing sales by telling little timmy's parents off, or driving away other customers. I'd like to see preview of this game and hear good things about it, but now when I open the thread it's complaints. It's not shooting the messenger it's saying to you that I (and possibly others that have raised a voice here) are tired of hearing it. Send GW an email, we cannot change anything for you and we all have enough other noise in our lives.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Explain why you should be able to play with a model from a third party before the official model is ever released.

I'll wait.

Explain to me why it bothers you if someone does, unless you have a vested financial interest in company.

 Kanluwen wrote:
So, you're gonna buy one? Or are you just waiting for the terminals+rules to hit the web?

This is the whole situation in a nutshell. You couldn't wait to buy it, and now you're stuck waiting for the rules. Bummer I guess?

I bought a Thanatar from FW for my AdMech in advance of a book that never ended up happening and rules that have never materialized. Life sucks, I guess?

Don't ever work in sales.


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 Arbitrator wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Explain why you should be able to play with a model from a third party before the official model is ever released.

I'll wait.

Explain to me why it bothers you if someone does, unless you have a vested financial interest in company.

The topic is apparently why not releasing something is a good thing.


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 Theophony wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Explain why you should be able to play with a model from a third party before the official model is ever released.

I'll wait.

My entire lamentation is I can't, explain why that should make me content.

"Hey this guy wants GW to release rules and a model they previewed months ago" like how is this bad?

Literally 60 days since they previewed it.

If they released the rules for you now, then when the next book comes out with the rules printed in it people will cry that it's just filler and it was already release. GW will make the rules available probably in the next book, it's their way of generating revenue. You don't like it...too bad.

At this point you begin to look like the brat child that throws a temper tantrum at the FLGS because their opponent (Who is playing by the rules) isn't letting little timmy win like mommy and daddy do at home. It makes everyone else in the place dislike showing up to the shop to play because he whines and cries at every opportunity. The store owner is put in the bad spot of possibly losing sales by telling little timmy's parents off, or driving away other customers. I'd like to see preview of this game and hear good things about it, but now when I open the thread it's complaints. It's not shooting the messenger it's saying to you that I (and possibly others that have raised a voice here) are tired of hearing it. Send GW an email, we cannot change anything for you and we all have enough other noise in our lives.

I'm not the topic, fren. Do you own stock or something?

SamusDrake wrote:
Has anyone looked at Steel Rift, yet?

Yeah, its really meant more as a quick play version of battletech. Rules are alright, some interesting mechanics, but nothing really spectacular. No heat or reactor management, mechs tend to be fairly mobile and can use jump jets to hop around. Firing weapons doesn't require a roll to hit, instead your opponent rolls a number of dice equal to a weapon stat (modified by certain factors) and has to beat a certain value, anything that doesn't meet the value causes some damage. Damage is handled by armor and structure points (the game refers to them as "dice" but you never roll them for any purpose, so instead they are really more spin-down counters), so you either have d6, d8, d10, or 12 armor and/or structure points - you generally take damage to your armor first and once thats depleted to your structure, once structure = 0 you are destroyed. Some weapons bypass armor and do points to structure while the armor is still up. They can do additional effects like "kinetic" which causes the mech being hit to rotate 45 degrees from the impact (useful in order to prevent reactive return fire). Uses an alternating activation system, you can spend points on support assets (didn't really get a chance to look at those, they have things like orbital bombardments, deployable mine-drones, etc. Ash has also mentioned things like infantry, tanks, and non-mech battlegroup models, but its not clear if those are currently in the game or not, he said that he has expansions planned to open up more battlegroup options for things like aircraft, etc.).

All in all, its a fairly simple game to play. You can use your titanicus models for it, but the game won't play anything at all like a titan battle - if you're looking for ponderous and slow "battleships that walk" type action, the game is not really modeling that, its focused on more dynamic and faster paced smaller mechs that are hopping around the battlefield and taking cover behind buildings. Games also look to generally be pretty short - I watched a lets play on youtube and they were basically destroying 1 mech per turn, by the end of the 3rd round half the mechs were wrecked and the remainder were basically held together by duct tape and bubblegum, IIRC the game ended on turn 4 with like 1 mech left standing.

 Dysartes wrote:
And GW normally operates on a principle of releasing a model within 3 months of previewing it. So we've got the whole of April before we're outside that window.

The cardstock terminal may make this a little trickier for AT, depending on where they're produced.

The thinner ones would be easier to find a domestic printer for than the thicker ones. Would very much welcome the tick card stock ones for the warmaster and the dire wolf, dare to dream I guess.


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chaos0xomega wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
Has anyone looked at Steel Rift, yet?

Yeah, its really meant more as a quick play version of battletech. Rules are alright, some interesting mechanics, but nothing really spectacular. No heat or reactor management, mechs tend to be fairly mobile and can use jump jets to hop around. Firing weapons doesn't require a roll to hit, instead your opponent rolls a number of dice equal to a weapon stat (modified by certain factors) and has to beat a certain value, anything that doesn't meet the value causes some damage. Damage is handled by armor and structure points (the game refers to them as "dice" but you never roll them for any purpose, so instead they are really more spin-down counters), so you either have d6, d8, d10, or 12 armor and/or structure points - you generally take damage to your armor first and once thats depleted to your structure, once structure = 0 you are destroyed. Some weapons bypass armor and do points to structure while the armor is still up. They can do additional effects like "kinetic" which causes the mech being hit to rotate 45 degrees from the impact (useful in order to prevent reactive return fire). Uses an alternating activation system, you can spend points on support assets (didn't really get a chance to look at those, they have things like orbital bombardments, deployable mine-drones, etc. Ash has also mentioned things like infantry, tanks, and non-mech battlegroup models, but its not clear if those are currently in the game or not, he said that he has expansions planned to open up more battlegroup options for things like aircraft, etc.).

All in all, its a fairly simple game to play. You can use your titanicus models for it, but the game won't play anything at all like a titan battle - if you're looking for ponderous and slow "battleships that walk" type action, the game is not really modeling that, its focused on more dynamic and faster paced smaller mechs that are hopping around the battlefield and taking cover behind buildings. Games also look to generally be pretty short - I watched a lets play on youtube and they were basically destroying 1 mech per turn, by the end of the 3rd round half the mechs were wrecked and the remainder were basically held together by duct tape and bubblegum, IIRC the game ended on turn 4 with like 1 mech left standing.

Is it on a 3x3 or does it work on a 4x4?

 Crablezworth wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
So, you're gonna buy one? Or are you just waiting for the terminals+rules to hit the web?

This is the whole situation in a nutshell. You couldn't wait to buy it, and now you're stuck waiting for the rules. Bummer I guess?

I bought a Thanatar from FW for my AdMech in advance of a book that never ended up happening and rules that have never materialized. Life sucks, I guess?

Don't ever work in sales.

Have done so. Your complaints are nothing but the song of the "wasn't gonna buy it anyways" crowd.

 Arbitrator wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Explain why you should be able to play with a model from a third party before the official model is ever released.

I'll wait.

Explain to me why it bothers you if someone does, unless you have a vested financial interest in company.

The topic is apparently why not releasing something is a good thing.

I mean, the topic is Adeptus Titanicus news and rumours...but you've hijacked it with your line of "how dare they not show us a firm release date for this thing that I'm not going to buy anyways but I need the rules for!".

I'm not the topic, fren. Do you own stock or something?

You've kind of made yourself the topic, but we can remedy that.


Dire Wolf Heavy Scout Titan! Coming from Forge World, later this year!

Cheers. So do you all reckon Porphyrions would be ideal sized mechs for Steel Rift?

 Crablezworth wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Explain why you should be able to play with a model from a third party before the official model is ever released.

I'll wait.

My entire lamentation is I can't, explain why that should make me content.

"Hey this guy wants GW to release rules and a model they previewed months ago" like how is this bad?

Literally 60 days since they previewed it.

Daddy, I want a squirrel! I don't want just any squirrel. I want that one!

Someone has to say it; the Direwolf argument is getting annoying.

Lets move on.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Explain why you should be able to play with a model from a third party before the official model is ever released.

I'll wait.

My entire lamentation is I can't, explain why that should make me content.

"Hey this guy wants GW to release rules and a model they previewed months ago" like how is this bad?

Literally 60 days since they previewed it.

Daddy, I want a squirrel! I don't want just any squirrel. I want that one!

Thank You

SamusDrake wrote:
Someone has to say it; the Direwolf argument is getting annoying.

Lets move on.

Yes please. This is the most annoying conversation I've seen in a while.

It's like someone makes a rip-off of Metroid ahead of the actual Metroid game being released, but the rip-off is scuffed and crappy and people are wondering why the original company wont make the rip-off functional. Like... uh???

If you feel a need to respond to the above sentences and rip them apart, just don't. Sit on your hands for an hour and go watch some Fortnite meme clips.