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DrRansom wrote:
AT, released in store without models in the box set, is asking for a very poor commercial launch.

FW released and sold it Horus Heresy series without any in store presence... it has been such a success it out paced FW's ability to produce kits to the point they expanded facilities and still had to remove items from their catalog to keep pace. It is apparent from what they've said they see Adeptus Titanicus as an extension of that. The other books and the models for the Horus Heresy series is FW's meter stick for the succes of Adeptus Titanicus and quite simply even if AT is sold in store as only a book and terrain it stands to exceed their expectations. GW doesn't want to take significant risks they will likely follow a slow build up of the player base before we see a true starter box.

 Alpharius wrote:

 MLaw wrote:
What I suspect is box set will have a few really nice pieces of terrain you can't really get more of, 2 opposing but mediocre titans, and the other normal stuff. Then some amazingly awesome titans will be the first release and they will be priced like a Land Raider.
That's my prediction. I hope it's not true but come on... it's GW.. they're fairly predictable with this sort of thing. It's either this or a bunch of repackaged stuff... which is almost guaranteed not to be the case. I mean.. they did re-release models from about the same era as the original AT.. but still..

You might be right on the price (a Warlord at/around Land Raider pricing), but the rest of this post is almost 100% guaranteed to be wrong...

This sounds cryptic and like you are holding onto something.. or maybe I missed it. this thread moved kinda fast.. I hope you're right. I sincerely don't think they'd use old models but I recall 2 editions at least of 40k that had some nice terrain and then nothing (or limited enough that it should have been). More importantly, Epic.. and the little buildings. I couldn't find decent Epic terrain anywhere! Not a problem these days but back then it was really annoying. Anyway, if you've got juicy tidbits or I missed them, a friendly link would be awesome. I'm excited about this and almost anything Epic related. (going to skim back through the thread again in case I missed anything)


EDIT: Nvm.. just read on page 1 no plans on xenos. Well.. there goes my interest :/ They also said no plans to expand it into Epic proper.. when another quote said that they would. Guess I'll file this in wait and see.

 Pacific wrote:
Please can the title of the thread be changed? This doesn't read to me like the return of Epic, it's the return of Adeptus Titanicus

Yeah I'll do that as far as I can tell NO RUMORS of infantry, tanks etc. Just Titans and Knights yes?

And on plastic, the rumor of plastic buildings and resin titans just seems backwards to me.

Seriously GW made plastic titans in 1991. They have the capacity to make sprues of Blood Angel Shoulder Pads or Random Space Wolf Dude and they can't/won't make plastic titans?

Just makes no sense.

I'd say plastic Titans (with maybe some Resin expansions) are much more likely than Resin.

No xenos! No fething xenos! They can't be that stupid, surely?

Joyboozer wrote:
No xenos! No fething xenos! They can't be that stupid, surely?

The original game didn't have Xenos either. In fact GW created the whole Horus Heresy plot line to justify only making one sprue of titans since in a civil war both sides would have the same equipment.

Any hey, gotta save something for the expansions right?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:
No xenos! No fething xenos! They can't be that stupid, surely?

The original game didn't have Xenos either. In fact GW created the whole Horus Heresy plot line to justify only making one sprue of titans since in a civil war both sides would have the same equipment.

Any hey, gotta save something for the expansions right?

I was going to be like WHA??? But Titan Legions is what I was thinking.. box art is literally imperial vs orks..

I'm sure when they see the money raining in from this, their plans will expand to include more than just the imperial titans.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Seriously GW made plastic titans in 1991.

Beetlebacks are from 1988

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
Please can the title of the thread be changed? This doesn't read to me like the return of Epic, it's the return of Adeptus Titanicus

Yeah I'll do that as far as I can tell NO RUMORS of infantry, tanks etc. Just Titans and Knights yes?

And on plastic, the rumor of plastic buildings and resin titans just seems backwards to me.

Seriously GW made plastic titans in 1991. They have the capacity to make sprues of Blood Angel Shoulder Pads or Random Space Wolf Dude and they can't/won't make plastic titans?

Just makes no sense.

I'd say plastic Titans (with maybe some Resin expansions) are much more likely than Resin.

KK, is there any chance of just having the thread title as "AT News and rumours"...at least until we get some actual news? (Like an actual answer to the "plastic vs resin" question...)

When I saw the "Engines Walk" bit added I thought there had been some new info released, and I'm sure a lot of others are going to as well.

Definitely agree with removing any mention of Epic, though...

I seriously hate waiting for this. Finally some company for my metal epic40k era Warlord Titan.

Still miffed with myself for not buying the Forgeworld warhounds when they where available.

I've already started building a city for 6mm gaming, and these titans will add some great flavour.

For people who're looking for some city buildings, try this kickstarter: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2047688210/neo-tyrannis-cityscapes?ref=user_menu
Really sweet looking skyscrapers, 6-10mm scale so perfect for the new AT.

 MLaw wrote:
I was going to be like WHA??? But Titan Legions is what I was thinking.. box art is literally imperial vs orks..

Indeed, it's the earlier game, specifically this one:

Adeptus Titanicus is the exciting game of GINORMOUS ROBOTS fighting the exact same GINORMOUS ROBOTS except they're painted a different color. Will the Blue Robots defeat the Evil Red Robots or will the Green Robots defeat the Evil Yellow Robots? Or will the Black Robots win it all? Only you can decide!

If only they were that distinct; looking at the cover art, it's red-and-black robots vs black-and-red robots.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Adeptus Titanicus is the exciting game of GINORMOUS ROBOTS fighting the exact same GINORMOUS ROBOTS except they're painted a different color. Will the Blue Robots defeat the Evil Red Robots or will the Green Robots defeat the Evil Yellow Robots? Or will the Black Robots win it all? Only you can decide!

Back in the day, color used to matter.

Now they could be plastic or resin grey and nobody would bat an eye.

MADNESS.

 aka_mythos wrote:

DrRansom wrote:
AT, released in store without models in the box set, is asking for a very poor commercial launch.

FW released and sold it Horus Heresy series without any in store presence... it has been such a success it out paced FW's ability to produce kits to the point they expanded facilities and still had to remove items from their catalog to keep pace. It is apparent from what they've said they see Adeptus Titanicus as an extension of that. The other books and the models for the Horus Heresy series is FW's meter stick for the succes of Adeptus Titanicus and quite simply even if AT is sold in store as only a book and terrain it stands to exceed their expectations. GW doesn't want to take significant risks they will likely follow a slow build up of the player base before we see a true starter box.

I'm sorry but that's a pretty disingenuous comparison and you must know that. Plenty of people who couldn't afford an all-resin FW army(or merely didn't want to spend that much on one project) when that was all that was on offer could still play Heresy games using the vast array of existing SM plastic kits for a fraction of the resin cost, or even ones they already owned. Without those extra players lots of local Heresy groups wouldn't have been sustainable, and I doubt it would ever have reached the critical mass necessary to justify FW's rapid expansion of the range and the eventual Heresy-specific plastic releases.

FW made flyers for years, they only became a big deal when GW put them in plastic. FW made superheavies for years, they only became a big deal when GW put them in plastic. FW make Guard models that are far, far, exponentially far better than the plastic Cadians, but what are most Guard armies made up of?

The Heresy is not the pattern, it is the aberration, the one FW product with the right combination of quality, fluff, and accessibility through the existing Marine line to take off without requiring GW to put in a specific investment in plastic kits first. Anecdote is just that, obviously, but I know several people who own whole Heresy armies in resin now who only got into the thing in the first place because they could buy a couple of resin models from FW to add some flavour to their initial attempts at Heresy gaming using the 40K Marine plastics - they built their all-resin armies over time, but they only got involved in the first place because they didn't have to wait to play the game "properly" with actual models while they did so.

Paper cutouts won't work like that for most people. Proxies using Dreadnoughts won't work like that for most people. And AT doesn't have the reach of 40K, I don't think it would survive long enough to "earn" a plastic release from GW in the way non-Heresy FW products have in the past.

So, I just spoke to my GW manager last night (friend of 10+ years), who was recently in London and also the Heresy event. (He has given me solid info on rumors in the past like before AoS was widely known, Deathwatch heads up, and so on, including Cypher coming back...) Anyway, he says that inside Adeptus Titanicus starter box it will contain 6 plastic models (2 large, 2 medium, 2 small) with options, along with several new dice, a rulebook, several reference cards, counters, ruler stick thing, and (it looked like) 8 easy to assemble pieces of heavy card stock scenery that had plastic like borders for the cards to clip into, representing battle torn futuristic buildings. The rulebook contains rules for different types of gameplay, including basic skirmishes of 1 on 1 as well as massive battles for dozens against dozens. There is a large detailed Campaign too and stand alone scenarios. Several (or a dozen?) boxed sets are planned to also be coming out, so you can add to your Adeptus Titanicus army, at and after, general release of the boxed starter! As always, digest with some salt.


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Oh, and it might be $149.99 USD for the starter....


I really am unsure of his info. This just came out the other day - from Andy Hoare, Mark Bedford and Chris Drew -


Mod edit - Added spoiler tags to older rumor quote

krazynadechukr wrote:
6 plastic models (2 large, 2 medium, 2 small)

Sold!

FYI - the buildings shown in the 40k-scale game are supposed to use the art from the box set buildings, blown up and pasted over foam core.

If that's what comes out I'm in whole hog. And I'd be excited for it!

I know that requires some salt, but that sounds like what I'd both love to see and totally throw money at . Here's hoping he's right!

Hm 6 models isn't much...

Certainly would be awesome, and would see me in for 2 boxes (from a discounter!)...

How's krazynadechukr look on the Rumor Tracker?!?

Given the sort of decisions you'll need to make for each one, it's plenty. It looks like you'll need to worry about damage and repairs on multiple locations, orders, power assignment, etc.

After all, the original version had scenarios for one model per side.

I'm debating splitting one of these with a friend or keeping them all.

I'm hoping I can get hold of the rules, and use my existing Titans. I don't beleive a word about the testing of multiple scales to see which held the most detail. GW or FW have changed the scale simply so that you can't use the old Epic scale stuff.

As I've multiple gaming opponents with huge Epic Armies, we are just looking to use the new rules with our existing models.

That rumor sounds almost too good to be true.

It also sounds like exactly what a boxed set of AT should be.

Consequently, I'm torn about how to view that rumor. A boxed set of AT in GW stores will need to include plastic titans, otherwise why have it in the mass market store? But, that goes against all of the pure resin talk we've heard and the quote below.

Sounds great, but as always plenty of salt. If it is true, the card stock buildings would be a slight disappointment(yeah I know, there's no pleasing some ). I was contemplating how some existing 40k scenery would look with 8mm scale buildings grafted onto them to cover up obviously 40k scaled parts.

krazynadechukr wrote:
So, I just spoke to my GW manager last night (friend of 10+ years), who was recently in London and also the Heresy event. (He has given me solid info on rumors in the past like before AoS was widely known, Deathwatch heads up, and so on, including Cypher coming back...) Anyway, he says that inside Adeptus Titanicus starter box it will contain 6 plastic models (2 large, 2 medium, 2 small) with options, along with several new dice, a rulebook, several reference cards, counters, ruler stick thing, and (it looked like) 8 easy to assemble pieces of heavy card stock scenery that had plastic like borders for the cards to clip into, representing battle torn futuristic buildings. The rulebook contains rules for different types of gameplay, including basic skirmishes of 1 on 1 as well as massive battles for dozens against dozens. There is a large detailed Campaign too and stand alone scenarios. Several (or a dozen?) boxed sets are planned to also be coming out, so you can add to your Adeptus Titanicus army, at and after, general release of the boxed starter! As always, digest with some salt.

Oh, and it might be $149.99 USD for the starter....

That's everything I want for this game, so if GW is still in flux, I hope they see the response to this rumor and decide to take this route

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Hm 6 models isn't much...

The original had 6 models.

That rumour sounds to good to be true so it probably isn't

That would be really great!

If that covers the three Titan types, in plastic, then that's a fantastic thing. Then they can release the plastic Titans in boxes, and everything else can be resin accessories.