Luciferian wrote:
If you look at my posts just above that's pretty much exactly what I plan to do. 14 PM with 9 Bubotic Axes, 2 Flails and 2 Blight Launchers, with a DP and Tallyman for hit and wound rerolls, Plaguecaster for Blades of Putrefaction and Putrescent Vitality, and stratagems like Veterans of the Long War. Good to hear that yours did well.

 Luciferian wrote:
Looks like a pretty solid list. Man does it suck that we don't get warptime or prescience. I don't want to give up my drones or characters!

Baconjuice wrote:
Hi, a while ago I posted an army lista here and wrote a little about my thoughts on Dreadclaws and Poxwalkers. I got no replys there so I'm gonna copypaste it here since I'd like to hear some input from more experienced players.


What comes to Dreadclaws themselves, on paper they are bonkers. Deepstriking flying Rhino that shoots heavy flamers on steroids and ties pesky enemies in CC. Combine that with the fact that the rest of my army is flying 15" a turn, suddenly I can take my troops with me and hit the enemy with everything on turn 2.

I am still in the process of acquiring the models but on paper the idea of dropping the Poxwalkers feels like a no-brainer. Instead of using the gimmicky strat of undying horde of Cultists Walkers and Typhus footslogging through the battlefield for three turns, burning all your CP and costing more points and relying on you going first, I get to drop the right in front (or even better, behind) my enemies. Typhus gets to fight once in a while instead of going 5" a turn and being 175pt buff aura. And if your opponent commits on taking down all your Walkers before they get to CC good for you, that's a lot of fire power used on 120pts worth of chaff instead of going on Mortarion or Drones. And lastly in case your opponent either ignores them or fails to take them all down you can pop Dead Walk Again on turn 2, walk next to your opponents infantry line and let the rest of your army do the heavy lifting, suddenly your one lone Poxwalker turns into a horde surrounding all of his army.




What do you guys think?

Typhusjnr wrote:

Baconjuice wrote:
Hi, a while ago I posted an army lista here and wrote a little about my thoughts on Dreadclaws and Poxwalkers. I got no replys there so I'm gonna copypaste it here since I'd like to hear some input from more experienced players.


What comes to Dreadclaws themselves, on paper they are bonkers. Deepstriking flying Rhino that shoots heavy flamers on steroids and ties pesky enemies in CC. Combine that with the fact that the rest of my army is flying 15" a turn, suddenly I can take my troops with me and hit the enemy with everything on turn 2.

I am still in the process of acquiring the models but on paper the idea of dropping the Poxwalkers feels like a no-brainer. Instead of using the gimmicky strat of undying horde of Cultists Walkers and Typhus footslogging through the battlefield for three turns, burning all your CP and costing more points and relying on you going first, I get to drop the right in front (or even better, behind) my enemies. Typhus gets to fight once in a while instead of going 5" a turn and being 175pt buff aura. And if your opponent commits on taking down all your Walkers before they get to CC good for you, that's a lot of fire power used on 120pts worth of chaff instead of going on Mortarion or Drones. And lastly in case your opponent either ignores them or fails to take them all down you can pop Dead Walk Again on turn 2, walk next to your opponents infantry line and let the rest of your army do the heavy lifting, suddenly your one lone Poxwalker turns into a horde surrounding all of his army.



What do you guys think?

Unless I am mistaken can you only take 10 models in a dread claw? I am not sure 10 models is enough to justify the dreadclaw points cost.

Typhusjnr wrote:
I wanted to check how people placed models added to a poxwalkers squad via curse of the poxwalkers? I managed to kill 10 guard models and used the 10 poxwalkers to daisy chain halfway across the board by spacing them 2 inches a part .Seemed legit to me but wanted to check as was very powerful .

 blackmage wrote:
the main problem is.... in current 40k many top armies runs veichles (at least in etc circuit) and with str 4 for combibolter you cant touch them, if you want take advantage of 18" with movement of 4" then dream on to charge something valuable...If i must then choose something else i play obliterators 3 of them cost 195 and do tons of damage more then 5-6 combi bolters blighlords (242 pts ), imho

Wayniac wrote:
I think that going all out in the Blightlords is potentially a trap. Going all combi-plasma is a ton of points in a unit. I prefer to go cheaply on them to keep the cost down. Use them to take out key infantry, either with shooting or with combat depending on what you are shooting. Take advantage of the 18" rapid fire range that Death Guard get to pump a ton of bolter shots into something, and then charge in and tear it apart if you buff them. You aren't putting a huge number of points into a unit that can still be reasonably killed, but they are providing enough of a threat to deal with what you want.

 spoonlamp wrote:

 blackmage wrote:
the main problem is.... in current 40k many top armies runs veichles (at least in etc circuit) and with str 4 for combibolter you cant touch them, if you want take advantage of 18" with movement of 4" then dream on to charge something valuable...If i must then choose something else i play obliterators 3 of them cost 195 and do tons of damage more then 5-6 combi bolters blighlords (242 pts ), imho

But Death Guard don't get obliterators you'd have to take them as a separate detachment. They wouldn't get the 18" advantage cos they're not DG - or am I missing something?

Typhusjnr wrote:
I wanted to check how people placed models added to a poxwalkers squad via curse of the poxwalkers? I managed to kill 10 guard models and used the 10 poxwalkers to daisy chain halfway across the board by spacing them 2 inches a part .Seemed legit to me but wanted to check as was very powerful .

 buddha wrote:
Has anyone had any competitive success with blightlord terminators? I'm thinking a base unit with combi-bolters and axes could be a perfect unit to teleport next to a flying DP as a hammer unit.

Wayniac wrote:

 buddha wrote:
Has anyone had any competitive success with blightlord terminators? I'm thinking a base unit with combi-bolters and axes could be a perfect unit to teleport next to a flying DP as a hammer unit.

This is exactly my plan to use them with (my normal squad loadout is outlined previously). I Have yet to play them in a truly "competitive" environment yet as it's not really my interest.

 Jidmah wrote:
Q: Some rules allow me to add models to a unit during the
battle (e.g. the Poxwalker’s Curse of the Walking Pox ability).
Where are those models set up?
A: Unless otherwise stated, these new models are placed
anywhere that is more than 1" from any enemy model
and still within unit coherency of a model in its own unit
that was itself on the battlefield at the start of the phase
in which the new model was created. Note that if you
cannot set up a new model on the battlefield because
there is no room, it is simply not set up.

Source: https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/warhammer_40000_rulebook_en.pdf

So yes, you can get some "free movement" out of it, but no more than 2"+pox walker base per phase.
You cannot daisy-chain models created during the same phase, but when you use the "The Dead Walk again" stratagem you can add one "row" for each phase in which infantry is killed near them. Most likely you'll only add models during shooting, psychic phase, fight phase and moral phase though, as abilities that kill unit during movement and charge are rare.

Most of the time it's not any more powerful than using Grandfather's Blessings to "rebirth" a plague marine and increase their charge distance by 3".

 blackmage wrote:

alpha legion oblys stay at 24" throw 12 hits str 7-9 ap -1-3 d 1-3 and get -1 to be hitand last but not least they can shoot twice if marked slaanesh so....

Xirax wrote:
My DG army got some battle experience last sunday. They were disgustingly resilient against WE and BA. MvP was daemon prince of nurgle with wings, suppurating plate, 4+ DR WT. IT was sick how it denied a 16 damage from the DC dread's blood talons in the last turn and secured a tie for me.

Also worth mentioning that BA player's stormraven with twin assault cannon, twin heavy bolter and 2x hurricane bolters shot my 5man plague marines squad which was on the open trying to secure the comet from the open war mission. SR shoots 50 bullets/turn with those guns and it did it in two turns in a roll. So 100 shots from the SR inside the rapid fire range killed total of 2 plague marines

T5 is awesome!

In the melee BA had the advantage, because of the red thirst +1 to wound CT. then the plague marines were a lack luster and the buffed 7 attack, 4 dam s10 -4ap flying librarian dreadnought took foul blightspawn, biologus putrifier and couple melee PM's in a multi-charge. I killed ~7 DC on the charge I they got into DC blob, but when remaining DC started swinging PM got wiped, first the DC and then the multi-charging librarian dread.

Against WE we got a crazy open war, +1 attack to every model in the game and no no man's land between the deployment zones. 6 objectives and one might be the supply cache which is the only victory condition. After the above game setup that favored WE I was quite sure that it'll be a rough game. In the end I lost only 1 PM squad. Smite spam and above daemon prince of nurgle were beasts. Took out the heldrake. Smite dropped Kharn. 3 units of zerkers got tons of attacks and more attack from the double tap, then 1 attack from the mission and 1 attack from the butcher's nails. but still only 1 5 PM squad died to their attacks. rapid firing plasma from plasma squad's within chaos lord's buff were great as well. Had two 3x plasma squads moving with a lord with fugaris helm and plasma pistol & balesword.

My 7man melee PM squad threw the 7x blight grenades, but have to say S4 wasn't that great, so took like 2-3 zerkers with the whole strat and biologus putrifier combo. Foul blightspawns plague sprayer were a downer, because even with CP reroll best I got was S6 with maybe two times I managed to get in range with it.

Foetid bloat-drone was as resilient as always.

T4 supply cache was finally discovered, dunno what happens in that mission if you don't get the 6 roll before T5 ends,, Enemy had two helbrutes like 30"+ away and I was already sitting with my melee PM on it. WE had also maybe one wounded exalted champion on table, so he shook hands.

When counting power levels, I got fewer and I had a Ruse-card in hand, which would have let me bring from reserves any one died unit Oh, you killed my super resilient DP. guess what, it's coming back at full strength. Well, never needed it really.

Had
DP with wings, suppurating plate, 4+ DR
Malignant plaguecaster
Chaos lord, plasma pistol, balesword, fugaris helm

5man PM 3x plasma
5man PM 3x plasma
7man PM flail, mace & axe, axe & knife, PF & plaguesword, 3 dual knives

Biologus putrifier, plaguebringer
foul blightspawn
tallyman

chaos rhino

foetid bloat-drone, plaguespitters

In either games I didn't see a problem that my threat range was so short. Although I didn't play against gunlines and my enemy wanted to get close too.

Man, that 100 shots 2 dead PM will be remembered for long

 spoonlamp wrote:

 blackmage wrote:

alpha legion oblys stay at 24" throw 12 hits str 7-9 ap -1-3 d 1-3 and get -1 to be hitand last but not least they can shoot twice if marked slaanesh so....

I need to read moar rules - that is some excellent dakka

Razerous wrote:
How exactly does this Death Guard grenade spam work, the one that produces lots of mortal wounds?

Or has this found to be a false promise aha

 Nightlord1987 wrote:

Razerous wrote:
How exactly does this Death Guard grenade spam work, the one that produces lots of mortal wounds?

Or has this found to be a false promise aha

Big unit of plague Marines and the grenade guy. Then the Strategem, plus VOTLW. (I was gonna say add Blades of Putrefaction, but I think that's Fight Phase only) Added bonus for arch contaminator warlord nearby for some extra rerolls.