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Nightcloak wrote:
tartaros pay extra (as do "standard") and standard is worse because it is a lazy model to use in 30k
nothing invalidated there

That is just incorrect. You can see clearly how Tartaros makes standard armor less appealing if it can get the Vigil, because it is the same price, but can sweep.

I don't get why folks are so quick to willfully ignore rules to gain an advantage. It is disappointing. It is a stretch that Tartaros can take them RAI, and forbidden RAW. That is really the end of the discussion.

Sounds like this forum is full of colicky babies who can't stand not getting their way. Too bad, so sad, play by the rules or beg your opponent for handicaps.

HandofMars wrote:
Sounds like this forum is full of colicky babies who can't stand not getting their way. Too bad, so sad, play by the rules or beg your opponent for handicaps.

We agree on something. Scary, but inevitable, I guess. We both seem to be hard-headed, caustic rules sticklers.

It is supposed to make standard less appealing to sale Tartaros
FW emails mean nothing just as phone calls with them, more than once they have already given different answers to the same question
so unless an FAQ fixes this Tartaros can take Stormshield and if you think that is because I want to gain an advantage than sadly you are mistaken, I play Nightlords and Mechanicum

Nightcloak wrote:
It is supposed to make standard less appealing to sale Tartaros
FW emails mean nothing just as phone calls with them, more than once they have already given different answers to the same question
so unless an FAQ fixes this Tartaros can take Stormshield and if you think that is because I want to gain an advantage than sadly you are mistaken, I play Nightlords and Mechanicum

I have yet to see a contrary answer, actually. Thus far, I have seen 2 emails and both confirm Vigils are not for Tartaros.

Given the language difference vs Sallies and how it explicitly doesn't name Tartaros, when it could have, seems like it is pretty cut-and-dry now. 3++ Sweepers was too much by FW standards and there you go.

Then they turn around and make a 3++ rerollable sweeper in the Custodes Tribune.

HandofMars wrote:
Then they turn around and make a 3++ rerollable sweeper in the Custodes Tribune.

Who propably costs more than tartaros where sweep would be free upgrade.

HandofMars wrote:
Then they turn around and make a 3++ rerollable sweeper in the Custodes Tribune.

Yea, but that sucker is like 275pt. For one dude. A whole Tartaros squad with Vigil shields is only like 200pt or something, so at least there is that.

HandofMars wrote:
Sounds like this forum is full of colicky babies who can't stand not getting their way. Too bad, so sad, play by the rules or beg your opponent for handicaps.

Inb4 "Its an Email, they give out 2 different answers so its not reliable so its not a rule to be enforced"

 commander dante wrote:


Inb4 "Its an Email, they give out 2 different answers so its not reliable so its not a rule to be enforced"

Aw, you were just a few posts too late.

Are people actually using "it must have been an oversight" as a justification for their rules now? Really?
Read the damn rule as many people have said, it specifies 3 different types of Termie armour in the book, it specifies which 2 of those 3 can take the shield, I don't get how things like this aren't black and white to some people.

There is a far cry from a random customer service guy's opinion and "the rules writer himself said this".

If no amount of clarification from FW will convince you, then play as written. In this case, those two options have the same end result.

HandofMars wrote:
There is a far cry from a random customer service guy's opinion and "the rules writer himself said this".

If no amount of clarification from FW will convince you, then play as written. In this case, those two options have the same end result.

I swear some people here would just about try an argue "I know they said NO in the FAQ, but that response was clearly just a copy paste and they obviously meant YES"

sm3g wrote:

HandofMars wrote:
There is a far cry from a random customer service guy's opinion and "the rules writer himself said this".

If no amount of clarification from FW will convince you, then play as written. In this case, those two options have the same end result.

I swear some people here would just about try an argue "I know they said NO in the FAQ, but that response was clearly just a copy paste and they obviously meant YES"

Yep
Some examples are "Can i use Badab War Characters in Space Marine formations" FWs Answer "We have an FaQ Coming (STILL WAITING ON IT) But we see no problem replacing named Characters in Formations with their Badab War Counterpart" (I.E i can Replace Tigarius with Sevrin Loth, as they are both Chief Librarians)

And "Can i use XV107 and XV109 riptides in Codex: Tau Formations" and FWs Reply was "We see no problem with it, but ask your opponent"

sm3g wrote:
Are people actually using "it must have been an oversight" as a justification for their rules now? Really?
Read the damn rule as many people have said, it specifies 3 different types of Termie armour in the book, it specifies which 2 of those 3 can take the shield, I don't get how things like this aren't black and white to some people.

An oversight would be, I dunno - Misericordia having no rules in Inferno.

Or the Custodes Jetbike's special rule 'Sweeping Fire' allowing each model in the unit to fire their weapon once in the shooting phase......even though they only have a single range weapon, plus the option to lob a grande.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

sm3g wrote:
Are people actually using "it must have been an oversight" as a justification for their rules now? Really?
Read the damn rule as many people have said, it specifies 3 different types of Termie armour in the book, it specifies which 2 of those 3 can take the shield, I don't get how things like this aren't black and white to some people.

An oversight would be, I dunno - Misericordia having no rules in Inferno.

Or the Custodes Jetbike's special rule 'Sweeping Fire' allowing each model in the unit to fire their weapon once in the shooting phase......even though they only have a single range weapon, plus the option to lob a grande.

Or changing rule in place A because it was bad and forgetting it affects place B.

Forge guys aren't mythical perfect human beings who do no mistakes.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


Or the Custodes Jetbike's special rule 'Sweeping Fire' allowing each model in the unit to fire their weapon once in the shooting phase......even though they only have a single range weapon, plus the option to lob a grande.

This could also be future-proofing.