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 Red Corsair wrote:

123ply wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

123ply wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
Do you serious think those are stormcast legs?

I don't actually own Stormcasts but from what I remember they look just like them. Plus they're what makes the model so much bigger

LMAO no they don't look just like them. is it really so hard to use the device your replying with to go over to google images?

Edit: nice ninja edit.

Best ya to it

Yea, you sure best me. I guess you shoed me gud.

We've all had autocorrect problems, right?

Anyway, getting way off topic

CplPunishment wrote:
Hey, is that demo man from schaefer's last chancers? Maybe they're gonna return! Lol.

I think it's in there because of the face.

123ply wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

123ply wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

123ply wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
Do you serious think those are stormcast legs?

I don't actually own Stormcasts but from what I remember they look just like them. Plus they're what makes the model so much bigger

LMAO no they don't look just like them. is it really so hard to use the device your replying with to go over to google images?

Edit: nice ninja edit.

Best ya to it

Yea, you sure best me. I guess you shoed me gud.

We've all had autocorrect problems, right?

Anyway, getting way off topic

Yea for sure, I was just being a dink because the timing was classic Your good bub.

They are not even close to Stormcast legs.

If it is legit and I am in #TeamReal camp, he looks brilliant. Not a 'radical and weird' change as rumoured but just made that little bit more badass and truescale is all I really wanted.

If it's a conversion, then he looks brilliant.

Come to think of it, I remember the rumour saying that the bolt pistols were also changed to look like auto (matic) pistols, and that definatley looks like an auto pistol. I just wish GW did this in the first place. I don't understand why they have to be new marines, instead of just old marines In true scale *sigh* I'm getting tired of space marines

You might be in the wrong thread then...

 Alpharius wrote:
You might be in the wrong thread then...

No, I'm talking about the picture...
I'm just saying I don't get the reasoning behind "nu-marines," and that it would have been a better idea to simply make the existing space marines bigger, rather than making a new type of marine.

Assuming its real, I'm kinda disappointed. Having these Nu-Marines as a new and distinct faction that is separate from the existing Astartes could have given GW the chance to do something different. While this guy does look good, he's quite clearly a refinement or evolution of the existing Space marine design.
It seems that GW are using this as chance to do a soft reboot of sorts on the SM range. Having the Nu-Marines as a separate faction in the background instead of a regular Marine in MKX armour lets them update there designs and increase the scale without invalidating the existing 40k and 30k ranges. Its possible they may also use this as a chance to redo the army list from the ground up without invalidating the existing Marines and there variants(until we get BA/DA/SW Nu-Marines anyway).
Moving forward I'd assume that the Nu-Marines will take the product spotlight, with a lot of the current range being mostly used for the HH and other "historical" settings. It will be interesting to see what else gets a redesign along with the basic trooper(new LR, Terminators and Dreads would be nice) and what gets reused.

Yea, seriously. I think if the "nu-marines" look like this then it is for the best. Slight variation to the old with modest updates and a slight scale adjustment.

If they went an entirely new direction then they wouldn't be marines plus after all.


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123ply wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
You might be in the wrong thread then...

No, I'm talking about the picture...
I'm just saying I don't get the reasoning behind "nu-marines," and that it would have been a better idea to simply make the existing space marines bigger, rather than making a new type of marine.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Marines are GW's best seller but that doesn't mean they won't go for improvement. Marines I feel have finally hit the saturation point in the market, not selling less, but not selling more. GW is a publically traded company, stagnation isn't what it is about, growth and dividends is. I had a feeling when gladius came out that something would come. Free transports/points was the first time in YEARS iI had seen marine vets in my group reach for the shelves to flesh out the formation. Obviously they want continued sales to those players, so what better way then to introduce marines plus and slowly replace the old marine line. They won't snuff out the originals out the gate, they'll introduce these and slowly phase them in as replacements depending on how successful they are.

 Red Corsair wrote:
Yea, seriously. I think if the "nu-marines" look like this then it is for the best. Slight variation to the old with modest updates and a slight scale adjustment.

If they went an entirely new direction then they wouldn't be marines plus after all.

This, plus it risks angering a smaller percentage of fans. It's like the 32mm bases- there's so requirements that models needed to be changed over, but there seems to be a strong enough drive for perfectionism amongst fans that a lot of armies probably went through rebasing to become current (or new armies were simply built).

Making these guys super marines gives them the opportunity to slowly make them become the new marines. However, I am interested in how they'll get these guys shifted over to chaos, and what will come of the marines who were veterans of the Guillimanification. Will they just be short, old men compared to the strapping upstarts?

It could technically be a conversion (including mixing with current parts) of a new model.

 Accolade wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Yea, seriously. I think if the "nu-marines" look like this then it is for the best. Slight variation to the old with modest updates and a slight scale adjustment.

If they went an entirely new direction then they wouldn't be marines plus after all.

This, plus it risks angering a smaller percentage of fans. It's like the 32mm bases- there's so requirements that models needed to be changed over, but there seems to be a strong enough drive for perfectionism amongst fans that a lot of armies probably went through rebasing to become current (or new armies were simply built).

Making these guys super marines gives them the opportunity to slowly make them become the new marines. However, I am interested in how they'll get these guys shifted over to chaos, and what will come of the marines who were veterans of the Guillimanification. Will they just be short, old men compared to the strapping upstarts?

Probably some sort of chosen/possessed fluff having the same effect but spikier. It wouldn't be hard.

Well if it's legit surprisingly...normal. Hopefully gw abandoned their every release must be ott, preferably more than last one, style. Would be oddly 180 turn though.

Hopefully applies to other releases as well as new marines are completeiy locked from me.

123ply wrote:Come to think of it, I remember the rumour saying that the bolt pistols were also changed to look like auto (matic) pistols, and that definatley looks like an auto pistol. I just wish GW did this in the first place. I don't understand why they have to be new marines, instead of just old marines In true scale *sigh* I'm getting tired of space marines

Alpharius wrote:You might be in the wrong thread then...

123ply wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
You might be in the wrong thread then...

No, I'm talking about the picture...
I'm just saying I don't get the reasoning behind "nu-marines," and that it would have been a better idea to simply make the existing space marines bigger, rather than making a new type of marine.

If you're tired of space marines, it might be best to move along to a different thread?

A very good conversion in my opinion, I hope the real deal looks as good and not over the top. Not so keen on the gun I prefer standard pattern bolter. You can tell its a hoax by looking at the feet, they are clearly a different shade of grey to the legs which shows its a different compound plastic from another kit. A true GW miniature would be made of the same material without colour change.

If this guy ends up being real, I'm going to have a laugh all of these strong proclamations of it being a fake.

 Accolade wrote:

This, plus it risks angering a smaller percentage of fans. It's like the 32mm bases- there's so requirements that models needed to be changed over, but there seems to be a strong enough drive for perfectionism amongst fans that a lot of armies probably went through rebasing to become current (or new armies were simply built).

Making these guys super marines gives them the opportunity to slowly make them become the new marines. However, I am interested in how they'll get these guys shifted over to chaos, and what will come of the marines who were veterans of the Guillimanification. Will they just be short, old men compared to the strapping upstarts?

This model is no bigger than the new DW and TS marines, at least not significantly. If there is a difference in size, it is smaller than the difference between DW marines and older marines. There doesn't need to be supermarine explanation for this shift, though I'm afraid that there might be.

 Accolade wrote:
If this guy ends up being real, I'm going to have a laugh all of these strong proclamations of it being a fake.

I'd happily eat my words

Though the scale pic - why not compare to a modern Marine, rather than an obscure IG model for what. 15ish years ago?

The legs aren't different colours of plastic the thighs and lower legs are grey procrete putty .

 Crimson wrote:

 Accolade wrote:

This, plus it risks angering a smaller percentage of fans. It's like the 32mm bases- there's so requirements that models needed to be changed over, but there seems to be a strong enough drive for perfectionism amongst fans that a lot of armies probably went through rebasing to become current (or new armies were simply built).

Making these guys super marines gives them the opportunity to slowly make them become the new marines. However, I am interested in how they'll get these guys shifted over to chaos, and what will come of the marines who were veterans of the Guillimanification. Will they just be short, old men compared to the strapping upstarts?

This model is no bigger than the new DW and TS marines, at least not significantly. If there is a difference in size, it is smaller than the difference between DW marines and older marines. There doesn't need to be supermarine explanation for this shift, though I'm afraid that there might be.

This guy looks like he might be even a bit bigger than the DW and TS guys, but I'd need a scale comparison that isn't against a Last Chancer to be sure. I believe that they'll go with the super marine explanation so it doesn't risk customers feeling like all of their marines are "invalid." We might see the lore fastforward a bit for 8th, to represent a time when all marines have been moved over to super marines, and then it just goes back to being normal. Still, it's going to be weird having the Horus Heresy stuff all with smaller marines.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
If this guy ends up being real, I'm going to have a laugh all of these strong proclamations of it being a fake.

I'd happily eat my words

Though the scale pic - why not compare to a modern Marine, rather than an obscure IG model for what. 15ish years ago?

That's a fair point. And I concur- I'll eat my words if this guy's a phony!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
If this guy ends up being real, I'm going to have a laugh all of these strong proclamations of it being a fake.

I'd happily eat my words

Though the scale pic - why not compare to a modern Marine, rather than an obscure IG model for what. 15ish years ago?

Maybe that's what he owns?

It also jives with what Hastings said about it being two heads taller then a guardsmen. Perhaps this is the pic Hastings saw.

 Accolade wrote:
If this guy ends up being real, I'm going to have a laugh all of these strong proclamations of it being a fake.

Better to be wrong and be faced with this that I kind of like, than be right and be faced with a horrific cheesy line of abominations straight out of GW's courtesy of those who designed the Sigmarines.

 CURNOW wrote:
The legs aren't different colours of plastic the thighs and lower legs are grey procrete putty .

I have use procreate for years, there is absolutely no way you can tell from eyeballing that pic lol.

For the "different bits are different colours" crowd, again:

Was this Domitar assembled from two different batches of resin or what?

 Sentinel1 wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
If this guy ends up being real, I'm going to have a laugh all of these strong proclamations of it being a fake.

Better to be wrong and be faced with this that I kind of like, than be right and be faced with a horrific cheesy line of abominations straight out of GW's courtesy of those who designed the Sigmarines.

Fair enough. I've been worried that the new marines would be as blingy as the new Guilliman, whose filigree saturation makes him look like he belongs in AOS. If they do look like this, then I'll be much less disappointed with the concept overall (the lore may be a different story...)

 Accolade wrote:
If this guy ends up being real, I'm going to have a laugh all of these strong proclamations of it being a fake.

I'm going to be laughing either way. The manner in which both sides are behaving in this argument is pretty entrenched. It's no essentially boiled down to the same posters screaming "ITS REAL!" "ITS FAKE!" at each other.

One side shows "proof" and the other side chooses to ignore it. Very Trumpian.

 Accolade wrote:

This guy looks like he might be even a bit bigger than the DW and TS guys, but I'd need a scale comparison that isn't against a Last Chancer to be sure. I believe that they'll go with the super marine explanation so it doesn't risk customers feeling like all of their marines are "invalid." We might see the lore fastforward a bit for 8th, to represent a time when all marines have been moved over to super marines, and then it just goes back to being normal. Still, it's going to be weird having the Horus Heresy stuff all with smaller marines.

GW has changed the scale of the marines over the years several times, people seem to have been fine with it. 'Supermarine' explanation would exactly make the old marines feel invalidated. They would literally be surpassed and outclassed.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Assuming its real, I'm kinda disappointed. Having these Nu-Marines as a new and distinct faction that is separate from the existing Astartes could have given GW the chance to do something different. While this guy does look good, he's quite clearly a refinement or evolution of the existing Space marine design.
It seems that GW are using this as chance to do a soft reboot of sorts on the SM range. Having the Nu-Marines as a separate faction in the background instead of a regular Marine in MKX armour lets them update there designs and increase the scale without invalidating the existing 40k and 30k ranges. Its possible they may also use this as a chance to redo the army list from the ground up without invalidating the existing Marines and there variants(until we get BA/DA/SW Nu-Marines anyway).
Moving forward I'd assume that the Nu-Marines will take the product spotlight, with a lot of the current range being mostly used for the HH and other "historical" settings. It will be interesting to see what else gets a redesign along with the basic trooper(new LR, Terminators and Dreads would be nice) and what gets reused.

Depends how they deal with it.

Nu-marines, if they are their own faction, could be Guilleman's special forces that have his complete confidence. Or if the rumour is true and all chapters are offered nu-marines and some say yes and some refuse, then you already have the start of a schism in the background.

If they want to up the stakes then Mortarion's plague legions (which I believe are the focus of the next trilogy) can be big and tough, the Nids can have some of their main fleet arrive with even more big and gribbly monsters, the Mechanicus can field bigger servitors and more robots, etc etc.

My main concern is the rules. If the rules are decent to good, it could be a great edition if they try and fix the problems with 40k collapsing under it's own weight. I don't want to have to carry a library to a game. I want to be able to buy a box of stuff and do a Kill Team without having to buy a £25+ book.

If you want kids to join the hobby you have to have some stuff priced at £10/20 for them to buy. That's one thing AoS got right.

 General Kroll wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
If this guy ends up being real, I'm going to have a laugh all of these strong proclamations of it being a fake.

I'm going to be laughing either way. The manner in which both sides are behaving in this argument is pretty entrenched. It's no essentially boiled down to the same posters screaming "ITS REAL!" "ITS FAKE!" at each other.

One side shows "proof" and the other side chooses to ignore it. Very Trumpian.

While this doesn't bother me, I feel like this was a very stupid quantifier to be thrown into a discussion about marine leaks.

 JamesY wrote:
For what it's worth, I sent that pic to a friend and former colleague of mine who paints for gw, and asked him if it was legit or bs. He said it wasn't a specific model he has seen, but it's the same armour as the ones he has.

This seems to have been overlooked.

Without going into details, I can confirm that JamesY has legitimate contacts and have first hand experience of that. If he's saying someone he knows says this looks like the new armour, then that's good enough for me.


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 General Kroll wrote:


One side shows "proof" and the other side demonstrates very clearly, often with images, why that isn't the case.

I'm sure that's what you meant to say.