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Can someone measure a Deathwatch Marine to the Guardsman in the Nu-Marine Picture?
Tgat way we can compare the Standard Space Marine, Deathwatch Marine and the Nu-Marine in sizes

 Crimson wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Well hopefully by a picture better than that one

I took measurements but some people didn't believe me, so I took that picture, but apparently it was not enough.

Nope, it's not

I swear there are people who could be holding two different sized objects in their own little hands and still insist that they're the same size!

Nah, it's just some people understand enough about optics to realise photos can be deceptive and also are untrusting of other peoples' measurements of complex objects, don't take it personally If I had a dollar for every time someone at work has measured something for me and I ask "how did you measure that?" and the answer is some completely inaccurate method... well... I'd have some dollars

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Because GW doesn't know how to scale things, either in lore or in miniatures.

That, and they just don't care. Warhammer isn't a historically accurate wargame simulation, but just a game to them.

It's never been a 'scale' game, going back to RT. It's always been about what works on the tabletop, including slightly downsized vehicles and grossly downsized weapon ranges and such.

From a design standpoint, individually the miniatures have to be grossly distorted at 28-32mm scale in order to look 'right' and identifiable. And from range to range, scale has taken a back seat to the size needed to show off detail, etc.

 Mymearan wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I'd also say DW aren't actually a size boost to the Marine range given they haven't actually replaced any models in the existing Marine range.

It seems to suggest, along with the Hastings rumor, that GW makes the more special marines are bigger than the regular ones. I guess marines follow the same "Bigga is betta!" principle as the Orkz.

My guess is DW will be the new default Marine size (I think I saw someone say Thousand Sons are the same size?) and the super marines will be a bit bigger still.

Didn't Burning of Prospero come out after DW and were of the older marine scale?

 TheCustomLime wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I'd also say DW aren't actually a size boost to the Marine range given they haven't actually replaced any models in the existing Marine range.

It seems to suggest, along with the Hastings rumor, that GW makes the more special marines are bigger than the regular ones. I guess marines follow the same "Bigga is betta!" principle as the Orkz.

My guess is DW will be the new default Marine size (I think I saw someone say Thousand Sons are the same size?) and the super marines will be a bit bigger still.

Didn't Burning of Prospero come out after DW and were of the older marine scale?

That's different as they are intended for 30k primarily and as such have to match up to all the forgeworld legion bits and bobs.
I will say that mk3 marines look like squats next.to dw marines.

 gorgon wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Because GW doesn't know how to scale things, either in lore or in miniatures.

That, and they just don't care. Warhammer isn't a historically accurate wargame simulation, but just a game to them.

It's never been a 'scale' game, going back to RT. It's always been about what works on the tabletop, including slightly downsized vehicles and grossly downsized weapon ranges and such.

From a design standpoint, individually the miniatures have to be grossly distorted at 28-32mm scale in order to look 'right' and identifiable. And from range to range, scale has taken a back seat to the size needed to show off detail, etc.

Just to add to that... Catachans and Cadians were intentionally oversized to make them easier to paint en-mass.

 TheCustomLime wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I'd also say DW aren't actually a size boost to the Marine range given they haven't actually replaced any models in the existing Marine range.

It seems to suggest, along with the Hastings rumor, that GW makes the more special marines are bigger than the regular ones. I guess marines follow the same "Bigga is betta!" principle as the Orkz.

My guess is DW will be the new default Marine size (I think I saw someone say Thousand Sons are the same size?) and the super marines will be a bit bigger still.

Didn't Burning of Prospero come out after DW and were of the older marine scale?

I meant the 40k Thousand Sons, not BoP. Thought I saw someone say they were DW size.

I have to say from my perspective this all points to a Kitbash. The colours of the plastics together doesn't add up to me, even when talking about the light striking it.

Also the picture quality is so poor I can only assume because someone wanted it to be poor. These days even phone cameras take much better pictures then that. So to me I think someone has edited to make it worse - I don't know why but I also imagined the scrubbed out bit to be one of the old banner/vexilla backpacks from 2nd Edition - though admittedly some of the parts don't look that recognisable.

I have no idea what these nu-marines are going to be like, but if I am wrong about this pic then I have to say I'm slightly disappointed by this model, though again obviously it would just be one of many so the others could be better. The armour just doesn't seem to go together for me style wise with those knee pads (again could be the angle)

TBH my first thought about stronger marines was that actually it was the re-introduction of the Custodes to the fight in 40k that was going to be the 'stronger marines' (yes I'm aware of the differences in their creation) rather than a whole new force.

Not looking to get draw into any arguments here, just my thoughts and with the other announcements today I look forward to what GW pump out. I'm more of a 30k man these days anyway so hopefully there'll be some even more exciting toys for us but cheaper GW scale to FW

 Mymearan wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I'd also say DW aren't actually a size boost to the Marine range given they haven't actually replaced any models in the existing Marine range.

It seems to suggest, along with the Hastings rumor, that GW makes the more special marines are bigger than the regular ones. I guess marines follow the same "Bigga is betta!" principle as the Orkz.

My guess is DW will be the new default Marine size (I think I saw someone say Thousand Sons are the same size?) and the super marines will be a bit bigger still.

Didn't Burning of Prospero come out after DW and were of the older marine scale?

I meant the 40k Thousand Sons, not BoP. Thought I saw someone say they were DW size.

I believe they are but they're also supposed to be special marines.

I notice that the Guiliman model has both the same "foot plates" and ribbing under the elbows / ribs as the leaked pic in the OP.

So unless somebody had access to that model very early and copied those features I don't think this is a conversion.

Man, I see things in the picture that points to it being both conversion AND non-conversion.

there is a Hint of green on some locations, but that might be blurry camera.

the rear portions of the boltgun look scratchbuilt to me. that bulbous area on the back of the bolter seems out of place, like some one used a filler piece. the commlink armguard also looks a little sculpted, but not sure. the pistol also looks kitbashed.

it also looks fairly convincing to me as well. certain elements like the scale of the head and belt buckle seem legit and seem to be molded plastic.


I have to go home and see how the Last Chancer figure compares to a typical current space marine, but that scale seems like it will put the existing ranges of space marines and terminator WAY out of sync. (though is a truer representation of Space marine size than the space midgets we see currently.) it doesn't make sense to me that they'd introduce a Tru-Scale marine range, as it disrupts too many players existing armies. they did do this in the RT era and made the 25mm marine look tiny next to a heroic 28mm marine, but I don't think they will do this again.

From Faeit 212. Im just copy pasting from here on up.


"This is really a nail in the coffin about Space Marines getting a new scale of miniatures.
There are quite a few sources here on Faeit 212, and one of the strongest has chimed in to help us decipher the Real Scale Marine that has been making the rounds. So yes, I believe what this source is saying without a doubt.

via anonymous sources on Faeit 212
The image you have circulating of the dual wielding marine is a kitbash fake.

It was discussion of the image that spawned the first rumor: "I saw it, it had sigmarite-like legs, a longer bolter" etc and not the other way around. People seem to think the first rumors gained validity by the model that followed, but it's the other way around.
The image you have been circulating is not a legitimate product.
There are new marine kits coming. There are always new marine kits coming. At this time there is no intention to change the scale of space marines, due to the importance of cross-compatibility of bits."

That's interesting if true, although I really don't trust Faeit with any rumors. However, if they are correct then I will admit I was thoroughly bamboozled by this miniature.

It would make sense to avoid significantly scaling up marines. If they were going to do it, it should have been done a while back, before they pumped out every possible variant of marines. And *if* they were even to do a scale up, I'd much rather it be a part of a rebranding effort on the part of making Space Marines more consistent in-game with the lore, and not an excuse to pump out some sort of new Super Marines (which IMO is the worst way to do it).

So not entirely convinced by Faeit, but we'll have to wait and see when definitive information about 8th edition comes out.

Well apart from Faeith being crap source even if that were true all that says is that this picture was fake. New marines are still coming though. We just don't have picture of one yet.

Which means super-hyper-blinged new marines are still on the cards :(

So if Faeit says it is fake, should we take this as confirmation that it is real?

Yeah, still not convinced it is fake. If what Faeit's source says would be true, it would not only mean that the pic is fake, it would also mean that Hastings would be completely wrong.

Now as a conspiracy theory it occurred to me, that if GW would be worried about the rumours of these new marines hurting their marine sales in the meantime, it would be smart to 'leak' a rumour debunking the existence of these new marines to a source who will publish anything.

So wait, in previous threads people were bashing me for not giving a feth what Hastings said, now people are completely disregarding it?

Seems like, as predicted, people don't really care about authenticity of sources, once they start to buy themselves first class tickets aboard the hype train.

 Crimson wrote:
So if Faeit says it is fake, should we take this as confirmation that it is real?

Yeah, still not convinced it is fake. If what Faeit's source says would be true, it would not only mean that the pic is fake, it would also mean that Hastings would be completely wrong.

Now as a conspiracy theory it occurred to me, that if GW would be worried about the rumours of these new marines hurting their marine sales in the meantime, it would be smart to 'leak' a rumour debunking the existence of these new marines to a source who will publish anything.

I think the best evidence that this isn't a leak is the fact that even BoLS hasn't reported it. BoLS will report freaking anything even questionably legitimate, yet nothing on this guys so far.

edited by moderator

If I were you, I wouldn't start using a Faiet story as reason for throwing shade.

So now Faeit is saying that Mark X armour is coming* after all...
But he still thinks this pic is not that, for some reason.

* Sad Panda hinted that ages ago.

 Crimson wrote:
But he still thinks this pic is not that, for some reason.

Hastings also says that said pic is not the "new marines" that he's been hinting at.

Maybe it really isn't. Or maybe Hastings is wrong and people can stfu and get off my case for being skeptical just because one rumormonger says something and people get all hyped up about it. Nah, that'll never happen.

Honestly, I think the "Mk.X" thing is way more likely. And they're scaled bigger because of course they are, that's how recently Marine releases are going.

 Melissia wrote:
Hastings also says that said pic is not the "new marines" that he's been hinting at.

But he is just guessing, really. He has not actually seen the marines he has been describing.

Maybe it really isn't. Or maybe Hastings is wrong and people can stfu and get off my case for being skeptical just because one rumormonger says something and people get all hyped up about it. Nah, that'll never happen.

I find it is unlikely that he would be completely wrong, though it is possible that there's some Chinese whispers going on and things are not exactly as he said.

Honestly, I think the "Mk.X" thing is way more likely. And they're scaled bigger because of course they are, that's how recently Marine releases are going.

Yeah, I agree, and I find it completely plausible that the pic is such new Mark X marine. It is not massively bigger than the older ones.

I suppose I should not be surprised that GW's response to Marines not being as awesome as their hype is to introduce SUPERMARINES rather than doing something about the core Space Marine profile not being particularly interesting.

I am really not a fan of this. Grey Knights, sure sure. Custodes, that's fine too. But you have to draw a line somewhere.

But Ash-- why not have... Space Marine... SPACE MARINES! More Space Marine for your Space Marine to Space Marine the Space Marine out of everyone else's Space Marines!

We have space marine space marines already.

Rumor mill aside, I welcome Marine figures that scale better with other GW miniatures. The "smallness" of Marines in comparison to their fluff descriptions has always bothered me.

...and Space Marines have airways been their most popular figures, and this would give them slightly more impressive standing.

Of course this is Warseer's Hastings

https://disqus.com/by/75hastings69/

confirmed by Silverstu (and many others). A 1 minute research would reveal that. But hey, facts suck

what cross-compatibility are people talking about?

the good old everything can be exchanged stuff is already gone
the plastic HH and the DW kit are already not cross-compatible with the other SM kits except for the usual bit swap that can also be done with Mantic or Dreamforge kits

So why should GW now change that back after releasing the Deathwatch?

 kodos wrote:
what cross-compatibility are people talking about?

the good old everything can be exchanged stuff is already gone
the plastic HH and the DW kit are already not cross-compatible with the other SM kits except for the usual bit swap that can also be done with Mantic or Dreamforge kits

So why should GW now change that back after releasing the Deathwatch?

What incompatibility DW kits then have? Okay it would look bit odd to have 2 different marks but that's not deadset against fluff so what else they have?

At least older marine kits would fit HH marines pretty well I would think. Not much difference there that would make them not fit.

 kodos wrote:
what cross-compatibility are people talking about?

the good old everything can be exchanged stuff is already gone
the plastic HH and the DW kit are already not cross-compatible with the other SM kits

That is not true. Both the mk3 and mk 4 armour sets are fully compatible with other space marine kits and the DW set is almost fully compatible, i have used parts from all 3 sets with regular marines!

The only parts that dont fit from the DW kit is putting DW chestplates on non-DW backplates, because of the extra length in the belt area.