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 streetsamurai wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:


At the end of the day, it is ridiculous to defend GW on this, since they are the one who were bragging that they weren't doing any market research

So we're holding the company as it currently exists to a statement made years ago by a former CEO? And you're calling other people ridiculous?

Have they said or done anything that gives any indication that this have changed since then?? No (at least, not before adepticon, since this could mark a change in their strategy. And let's hope that this fiasco make them realise the folly of their ways)

Talk about being ridiculous

They've made a ton of changes since Roundtree took over, nearly all of them good, and widely praised even here, and even by the career GW bashers.

They've been promoting their products at trade shows for over a year now. You don't think they aren't talking to the retailers there about their market demographics? And you mention yourself they showed up at Adepticon, and provided previews of upcoming products. Do you think maybe market research told them people wanted to know about things ahead of time, and that generates excitement?

Seems the change in strategy happened long before you think.

All conjectural evidences. And the current fiasco seems to point that the change still haven't happened yet

And you have provided zero evidence of anything other than a quote from several years ago from a different CEO. Your argument boils down to "GW still sucks." You have nothing to back up your statements but your feelings, which frankly mean less than nothing.

Evidence to the contrary shows GW is marketing their products ahead of release, and big surprise, it generated more interest in a product that went from "It's not proper Necromunda, who cares" to "OMG why did it sell out in minutes, GW has no idea how to run a business selling miniatures!!".

Them underanticipating exactly how much demand this would have does not mean they did no market research on this, it just means they missed the mark somewhat. By how much we frankly don't know. A handful of people online complaning doesn't give us anything but anecdotal evidence one way or the other.

That still has zero to do with your ridiculous comparison that GW does zero market research because a former CEO said so nearly 5 years ago.

Physical rule book up for preorder 22nd April. Will include rules for all factions plus sisters and inquisition. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/09/shadow-war-armageddon-the-rules-available-soon/

Huh, would ya look at that.

 Starfarer wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:


At the end of the day, it is ridiculous to defend GW on this, since they are the one who were bragging that they weren't doing any market research

So we're holding the company as it currently exists to a statement made years ago by a former CEO? And you're calling other people ridiculous?

Have they said or done anything that gives any indication that this have changed since then?? No (at least, not before adepticon, since this could mark a change in their strategy. And let's hope that this fiasco make them realise the folly of their ways)

Talk about being ridiculous

They've made a ton of changes since Roundtree took over, nearly all of them good, and widely praised even here, and even by the career GW bashers.

They've been promoting their products at trade shows for over a year now. You don't think they aren't talking to the retailers there about their market demographics? And you mention yourself they showed up at Adepticon, and provided previews of upcoming products. Do you think maybe market research told them people wanted to know about things ahead of time, and that generates excitement?

Seems the change in strategy happened long before you think.

All conjectural evidences. And the current fiasco seems to point that the change still haven't happened yet

And you have provided zero evidence of anything other than a quote from several years ago from a different CEO. Your argument boils down to "GW still sucks." You have nothing to back up your statements but your feelings, which frankly mean less than nothing.

Evidence to the contrary shows GW is marketing their products ahead of release, and big surprise, it generated more interest in a product that went from "It's not proper Necromunda, who cares" to "OMG why did it sell out in minutes, GW has no idea how to run a business selling miniatures!!".

Them underanticipating exactly how much demand this would have does not mean they did no market research on this, it just means they missed the mark somewhat. By how much we frankly don't know. A handful of people online complaning doesn't give us anything but anecdotal evidence one way or the other.

That still has zero to do with your ridiculous comparison that GW does zero market research because a former CEO said so nearly 5 years ago.

you have given zero evidence that they have changed, only shallow conjectural evidences, and since that the only known fact is that they were doing no market research, we have to assume that this is still the case (at least, it was the case for SWA, since as I said before, the latest adepticon MIGHT (and I say might) mark a change in that strategy).

To think otherwise only drift from a juvenile desire to defend GW


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Chikout wrote:
Physical rule book up for preorder 22nd April. Will include rules for all factions plus sisters and inquisition. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/09/shadow-war-armageddon-the-rules-available-soon/

Great. this should be a lesson to those that think that complaining is worthless,
I really hope that this game get continual support and an expanded campaign supplement.

Smellingsalts wrote:
I own a FLGS. I told my customers about the game 2 weeks before release. When it arrived I had 3 on hold, leaving 7 to sell on the floor. The last one sold at 7pm that night. In my area (San Diego) I figure everyone who really wanted a copy got one. Those who snooze, lose. I could have ordered more had people asked me to. I wonder how similar my experience was to other FLGS? It seems a lot of panic happened when the online store sold out, but I bet there are games still available through brick and mortar.

Pretty similar to what happened at my GW. I went down there at opening to preorder, it sold out while we were completing checkout. The manager set one aside from the allotment for me due to this and offered to for another customer that was there. Yesterday there were 6 people including myself waiting before opening to get a copy.

Someone called like 15 or 20 minutes after opening asking about copies, and the Manager told him they just sold out, and the guy freaked out on him on the phone. We both said afterward, if he cared that much he would have gone down to the store when it opened, or called at any point in the week of preorder and be told if he wanted one to be there at opening because they were going to go quick.

You snooze you lose is exactly right. I managed to get 2 copies, one in store and one on ebay under retail value, with very little effort. I then sold the second book to someone in need for a reasonable price because I'm not looking to gouge anyone on this.

And as I said earlier, if the terrain included was priced lower individually, I doubt there would be anywhere near the resentment. People are pissed they missed a good terrain bundle price and a printed rulebook. Those that want to play the game will still be able to do so, and at a buy-in well under $100 for rules and a faction or two. Hell, the only reason I got a second copy was for the terrain.

Good news !

Great news for those of you after a copy of the rules for Shadow War: Armageddon.

Following the unprecedented demand for this game, our book team have thrown themselves into creating a new rulebook you’ll be able to order separately. Not content just to make the book a copy of the one that appears in the boxed game, though, they have also added in all the extra content too: all the factions that have had their rules published as PDFs will be included. And, following numerous requests we’ve received from the community (that’s you), we’ll be adding in two new factions – the Battle Sisters of the Adepta Sororitas and warbands from the Inquisition.

How cool is that?

The book will be available to pre-order on Saturday the 22nd of April.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/09/shadow-war-armageddon-the-rules-available-soon/

Chikout wrote:
Physical rule book up for preorder 22nd April. Will include rules for all factions plus sisters and inquisition. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/09/shadow-war-armageddon-the-rules-available-soon/

Now watch how quickly the argument shifts to people who bought the box set got ripped off because their hard copy doesn't include all factions.

And this time, the Pre-order last several weeks so they can know the aproximated demand!

Now they are learning.

It is a rip of if Sisters and Inquisition is exclusive to the new book

 Galas wrote:
And this time, the Pre-order last several weeks so they can know the aproximated demand!

Know they are learning.

Hey,. but I tought that according to some in here, this was impossible to do


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 kodos wrote:
It is a rip of if Sisters and Inquisition is exclusive to the new book

Agreed. but they probably will put them in the pdf version freely available

 Rayvon wrote:
Good news !

Great news for those of you after a copy of the rules for Shadow War: Armageddon.

Following the unprecedented demand for this game, our book team have thrown themselves into creating a new rulebook you’ll be able to order separately. Not content just to make the book a copy of the one that appears in the boxed game, though, they have also added in all the extra content too: all the factions that have had their rules published as PDFs will be included. And, following numerous requests we’ve received from the community (that’s you), we’ll be adding in two new factions – the Battle Sisters of the Adepta Sororitas and warbands from the Inquisition.

How cool is that?

The book will be available to pre-order on Saturday the 22nd of April.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/09/shadow-war-armageddon-the-rules-available-soon/

Excellent - I will buy this. Good to see that facebooking them is not wasted

"You missed something out of that game"
"Cheers for asking. OK. We've come up with rules for the things you wanted and they're in this book plus w..."
"RIPOFF"

Don't go changing, internet. They're pretty obviously gonna throw them up online for free.

I'm pleased for people who didn't get it, but I'm slightly annoyed that my copy in the box is slightly outdated now.

 kodos wrote:
It is a rip of if Sisters and Inquisition is exclusive to the new book

How many times does it take to assume the worst and be proven wrong before you give them the benefit of the doubt?

Well I'm looking forward to picking up the book!

 JohnnyHell wrote:
"You missed something out of that game"
"Cheers for asking. OK. We've come up with rules for the things you wanted and they're in this book plus w..."
"RIPOFF"

Don't go changing, internet. They're pretty obviously gonna throw them up online for free.

HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAVE NO EVIDEENCCCCCCE!!!!1!!

/s.

 ImAGeek wrote:
I'm pleased for people who didn't get it, but I'm slightly annoyed that my copy in the box is slightly outdated now.

Talk about the End-times book being outdated 4 months after his launch. Now this is a new record!

 Starfarer wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Physical rule book up for preorder 22nd April. Will include rules for all factions plus sisters and inquisition. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/09/shadow-war-armageddon-the-rules-available-soon/

Now watch how quickly the argument shifts to people who bought the box set got ripped off because their hard copy doesn't include all factions.

To be fair, it sounds like a legit complaint that yr new rulebook is already out of date within a month.

Poof! GW has already responded on FB, that Adepta Sororita and Inqusition rules will be available separately.

But they obviously are intentionally evil and don't ever change...

 Starfarer wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Physical rule book up for preorder 22nd April. Will include rules for all factions plus sisters and inquisition. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/09/shadow-war-armageddon-the-rules-available-soon/

Now watch how quickly the argument shifts to people who bought the box set got ripped off because their hard copy doesn't include all factions.

Assuming the book doesn't sell out during preorder, with a note saying the item is no longer available, but to buy it in your local store on release day, only to discover the store only got two copies and employees bought them

 Starfarer wrote:

 kodos wrote:
It is a rip of if Sisters and Inquisition is exclusive to the new book

How many times does it take to assume the worst and be proven wrong before you give them the benefit of the doubt?

after 10 years of bad stuff they need more than just one lucky release before I trust them again

Wow! Excellent news about an expanded rulebook print run with an extended pre-order period. Just another sign that GW is changing for the better.

According to GW via FB, the SoB and Inq lists will be available via WD. They will also be available as free PDFs.

Hopefully they will be free like it is for the other factions. I really hope that the success of the game does not encourage them to nickel and dime it.

Come on GW give me a reason to complain


Edit: putting them in wd is an acceptable compromise

So GW wasn't sitting on their hands over the weekend. They've already got a source lined up for printed rulebooks.

That's pretty cool for people who want them. I might snag the digital edition. I like that even more factions are included.

 ImAGeek wrote:
I'm pleased for people who didn't get it, but I'm slightly annoyed that my copy in the box is slightly outdated now.

This is fething awesome.

Excellent, this is exactly what I was hoping for - I'd have been happy if they just reprinted the rulebook as it is, but the bonus/collated content is very welcome too. Now watch the price of the rulebook on eBay start to plummet ...

In case anyone missed my edit above - the SoB and Inq lists will also be available as free PDFs. So those hwo nabbed the box will not need to buy the second run rulebook.

There will also "a photo-copyable page in the new print book will all the tokens on."

i am really pleased with GW for turning around this problem so quickly. As I sais previously, it is so nice to be able to genuinely like this company again.

2 thumbs up from me. They put themselves in a gakky situation, but they managed to turn ot around rather quickly. Only negative is that i wont be able to get much from the rulebook from my second boxset

 streetsamurai wrote:
This is the kind of things that GW should have started doing a long time ago.

I completely agree. But because they didn't, they can't use information they don't have. So they should probably do more to make it happen going forward.

At the end of the day, it is ridiculous to defend GW on this, since they are the one who were bragging that they weren't doing any market research

It's really a shame that once a CEO makes a statement like that it is binding on all future CEOs.

Oh no wait. That's not how things work.

I should have complained about no Thousand Sons or Deathwatch. Seems Inquistion are going to be awkward at best and SoB always seem like a waste of development time ;p

Well now that this situation has been diffused, I would like to bring up something else: on pre-order day, SW:A was listed as one per order. But it turns out that you could just make two separate orders. I know it because I managed to do it. Just struck me that the one per order limitation is not much protection against scalpers, especially when the item in question meets the free shipping threshold. Now, I never intended to scalp my second copy but I reckon others did.