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Manchu wrote:
Shadow War has already given me "permission" to pick up AdMech and GS Cult models,a bunch of terrain, and even .. gosh who would have ever thought, some Vostroyans!

The genestealer cult section of the 2nd edition Tyranid codex was amazing. I haven't looked at the more recent rules, but I passed over the models because I didn't expect to get any game use out of them. But now...

Hmmm. Such nice models.

Will have to ask around and see if anyone else is interested in this sort of a game locally.

 Bottle wrote:
so I am perhaps thinking of Canoness Veridyan getting a squad to join her

Damn it, I also have her, means I'll have to get her a posse as well when the rules drop.

what's the scenery in the box precisely? I'm asking cause comeone want to sell it to me for a 100 cad and I'm wondering if its worth it

Good news While I have a copy of Shadow war on its way, I could be tempted to grab this version as well. Having a 2nd rule book wouldn't hurt and the expanded factions in print is definitely a draw. Hopefully GW will see the worth in supporting the game in the future. More "faction" rules covering more of the 40k range would be very welcome.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

 davou wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

But other players in my club may not want to play a game they don't themselves own,

so they will have to wait the few days it takes for the rules to be released is what you meant to say?

Where are you getting the info that the rulebook will be released in a few days? I get the impression they'll knock out some kind of apple version for a swift profit but everyone I game with always likes to own their own real rulebook.

Voila, its officially announced. Good enough?

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Good news While I have a copy of Shadow war on its way, I could be tempted to grab this version as well. Having a 2nd rule book wouldn't hurt and the expanded factions in print is definitely a draw. Hopefully GW will see the worth in supporting the game in the future. More "faction" rules covering more of the 40k range would be very welcome.

Yeah I'll probably pick it up too. Means a copy each when I play anyone and all the factions in one book appeals to me.

So its (hardcopy rulebook) announced and ten minutes later people are not only saying that they will buy a copy, but that they will buy it despite already having it....

Anyone wanna tell me again how GW selling a product out in under 10 minutes was a failure for the company?

 streetsamurai wrote:
what's the scenery in the box precisely? I'm asking cause comeone want to sell it to me for a 100 cad and I'm wondering if its worth it

http://battlebunnies.blogspot.co.uk/2017/04/shadow-war-armageddon-unboxing.html Battle bunnies have a good unboxing video. Looks like the box contains the Ferratonic furnace and Alchomite stack kits along with a support strut sprue and the straight and curved walkway/platform sprues that are in the Galvanic magnavent set.

 davou wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

 davou wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

But other players in my club may not want to play a game they don't themselves own,

so they will have to wait the few days it takes for the rules to be released is what you meant to say?

Where are you getting the info that the rulebook will be released in a few days? I get the impression they'll knock out some kind of apple version for a swift profit but everyone I game with always likes to own their own real rulebook.

Voila, its officially announced. Good enough?

You do realize he posted prior to GW's announcement?

 davou wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

 davou wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

But other players in my club may not want to play a game they don't themselves own,

so they will have to wait the few days it takes for the rules to be released is what you meant to say?

Where are you getting the info that the rulebook will be released in a few days? I get the impression they'll knock out some kind of apple version for a swift profit but everyone I game with always likes to own their own real rulebook.

Voila, its officially announced. Good enough?

Yeah. I ate my humble pie about 3 pages back... so glad I was wrong.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

Well... I often feel like Victor Meldrew when mentioning GW, but this time, I'm well impressed. I'll certainly be pre-ordering a rulebook - although I'm gonna have to find where all my old GW special dice have been hiding for years.

So?

Welp, I sure wish I hadn't spent most of the weekend writing up rules for using Sisters and Inquisition kill teams in this! Thought I'd get a couple of months grace before GW put their own out, since there's so many plastic factions left to do...

Never mind!

 Galas wrote:
Can't we just, as customers, be happy that our complaints have been answered by the company?

Not at all. See we've reached the second phase of this argument. Originally it was:

"This was a major screw up!"
"Nonsense! This GW showing how business savvy they are. Besides, it's not a big deal, everything is available outside of the box except the rules necessary to play the game, but despite them not having a plan to have the book available digitally this is somehow still ok and totally in keeping with their genuius and how much GW has changed for the better!"

Now we're onto:

"Ah good. They're going to print a stand alone version of the rulebook. And with more rules!"
"Ha! Told you so! We totally knew they were going to do this. GW are getting better every second of every day and all your haters can do is complain!"

The difference is subtle, I give you, but it's there.

Preferably there'd be no arguing, but Dakka will be Dakka. Gods forbid there was a thread with civil discussion without people attacking each other. Despite Rule 1 and all. Hey ho.

The argument hasn't changed people have just chosen to fixate on a single detail of the argument as if countering it in part is the same as countering it in totality.

The availability of the rulebook and terrain outside the starter box doesn't change my opinion on how it was a failure in having such an insufficient supply of starter kits. While there is a demand for the rules and a demand for the terrain, both that can now be met, there was also a demand for starter kits that they have failed and seemingly refuse to meet.

Also I want to add that I think it's great that GW are making a rulebook available on its own, regardless of the fact that I now have a stack of brand new yet immediately outdated books.

 frozenwastes wrote:
I haven't looked at the more recent rules, but I passed over the models because I didn't expect to get any game use out of them. But now...

Hmmm. Such nice models.

Will have to ask around and see if anyone else is interested in this sort of a game locally.

Overkill is a nice buy for the GS Cult models - -lus it's hard to believe there won't eventually be a DW list.

 davou wrote:
So?

Well, if you're going to be an arse about it..

You claimed the rules would be available in a few days, GGG queried where you got this information. The announcement was for a pre order next week with an indeterminate number of weeks to run before the book would be available, placing it firmly in the "if they've got to get it printed up by someone else, it's going to take a while" camp that people have said it would.

GGG was gracious enough to take that as proof he was wrong and walk back his comments, the least you can do is be magnanimous about it, especially as it was you who was basically wrong.

Separate print rulebook confirmed to be 200 pages.

The rulebook was announced to be available digitally the same night that they sold out IIRC; that was what I was referring to

If it wasn't for the fact that I got all of the terrain and Miniatures for a steal, I would be a little bit irritated that the book is effectively incomplete. However I don't have any qualms with printing off the PDF versions of the factions and putting them in a binder.

It is actually pretty cool that GW actually went ahead and did this.

 davou wrote:
The rulebook was announced to be available digitally the same night that they sold out IIRC; that was what I was referring to

Ah, ok, so the digital rulebook comes with the extra attitude, and it's only discussion about the dead tree version where honestly asked questions can be answered politely without snark?

Manchu wrote:

 frozenwastes wrote:
I haven't looked at the more recent rules, but I passed over the models because I didn't expect to get any game use out of them. But now...

Hmmm. Such nice models.

Will have to ask around and see if anyone else is interested in this sort of a game locally.

Overkill is a nice buy for the GS Cult models - -lus it's hard to believe there won't eventually be a DW list.

I have to imagine some of the pre-existing Necromunda fan groups will be stepping up to fill the gaps that GW hasn't shown interest in filling.

It maybe too much wishful thinking but I can't help but imagine that GW might have some future plan to do additional Killteams. Deathwatch being such a in demand one may be central to that plan.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Thankyou Manchu!

Is there ever going to be an actual Necromunda with actual gangs, or is this it? I mean, this looks great and I always liked the 40K Kill Team battle reports in White Dwarf way back in the early 2000's, but I'll be disappointed if the classic Necromunda gangs won't be returning, they were such a cool grimdark aspect of the 40K lore. I was a kid back in the early 2000's with only enough disposable income for a single game (Lord of the Rings) but I loved reading battle reports and conversion and painting articles for Necromunda, mordheim, warhammer fantasy, inquisitor, 40K etc.

Those rules are available for free on Yaktribe.org. Alternatively you could use GSC or Imperial Guard lists in Shadow War. Not ideal, but it's workable.

Edit: disregard the spoilered part, I went back and checked his post and he stated he was not working on Necromunda concepts. I guess I misremembered that over the last 16 months.

 Bottle wrote:
With the inclusion of Inquisitor gangs, this has basically become Inquisimunda: The Game. There's gonna be so much mileage one could theoretically get out of this rule book. AHH so excited to start playing!

Yep, this is going to be such a boon to the Inquisimunda community simply because official rules make it so much more accessible and people reading Blanchitsu articles in White Dwarf can now look at free faction lists to get inspired to make their own.

 davou wrote:
So its (hardcopy rulebook) announced and ten minutes later people are not only saying that they will buy a copy, but that they will buy it despite already having it....

Anyone wanna tell me again how GW selling a product out in under 10 minutes was a failure for the company?

I'm probably going to buy the rulebook again as well. Haven't decided if I'll get the digital, which I was already considering, just to have a physical and digital, and digital usually gets updates for errata and FAQ, which is cool. Although having a printed version with all the factions in it is appealing, despite all those factions being available separately.

More importantly, though, is showing GW this type of game is not only drawing demand, but significantly so. This well may lead to Necromunda being fast tracked, hopefully for Fall after 8th edition has fully rolled out and just in time for the holidays that might be wishful thinking though.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 davou wrote:
The rulebook was announced to be available digitally the same night that they sold out IIRC; that was what I was referring to

Ah, ok, so the digital rulebook comes with the extra attitude, and it's only discussion about the dead tree version where honestly asked questions can be answered politely without snark?

No, snark comes free when someone suggests that just because they weren't able to get a boxed copy of the game for each of their friends, their planned campaign is effectively dead.

Or as a free side when people suggest that a company releasing a product and selling it out in under 10 minutes (all on pre-order) is somehow a flubb for the company.

Five pages back you have people making the argument that this will cause some kind of reaction that chases people away from GW products, and on this page you have people saying that they will buy an extra copy of something that they already have; The disengagement with reality here is laughable, and I'm laughing at it.

Manchu wrote:
Overkill is a nice buy for the GS Cult models - -lus it's hard to believe there won't eventually be a DW list.

I'm planning on using the Chaos list for my Deathwatch, just use 'Marks' to more represent Chapter backgrounds

 davou wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

 davou wrote:
The rulebook was announced to be available digitally the same night that they sold out IIRC; that was what I was referring to

Ah, ok, so the digital rulebook comes with the extra attitude, and it's only discussion about the dead tree version where honestly asked questions can be answered politely without snark?

No, snark comes free when someone suggests that just because they weren't able to get a boxed copy of the game for each of their friends, their planned campaign is effectively dead.

Or as a free side when people suggest that a company releasing a product and selling it out in under 10 minutes (all on pre-order) is somehow a flubb for the company.

Five pages back you have people making the argument that this will cause some kind of reaction that chases people away from GW products, and on this page you have people saying that they will buy an extra copy of something that they already have; The disengagement with reality here is laughable, and I'm laughing at it.

Ah, ok, just being generally unpleasant and unapologetic.

I'm not going to drag this further off topic, I'll just let people read what you've written and let them decide how it informs their own interactions with you.

 Starfarer wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Thankyou Manchu!

Is there ever going to be an actual Necromunda with actual gangs, or is this it? I mean, this looks great and I always liked the 40K Kill Team battle reports in White Dwarf way back in the early 2000's, but I'll be disappointed if the classic Necromunda gangs won't be returning, they were such a cool grimdark aspect of the 40K lore. I was a kid back in the early 2000's with only enough disposable income for a single game (Lord of the Rings) but I loved reading battle reports and conversion and painting articles for Necromunda, mordheim, warhammer fantasy, inquisitor, 40K etc.

Those rules are available for free on Yaktribe.org. Alternatively you could use GSC of Imperial Guard lists in Shadow War. Not ideal, but it's workable.

John Blanche mentioned about a year back he was working on new concept art for Necromunda around the time GW announced Specialist Games Studio was returning. It take a few years from cinception to release typically, but promising that anything related to it was being worked on at all.

 Starfarer wrote:

 Bottle wrote:
With the inclusion of Inquisitor gangs, this has basically become Inquisimunda: The Game. There's gonna be so much mileage one could theoretically get out of this rule book. AHH so excited to start playing!

Yep, this is going to be such a boon to the Inquisimunda community simply because official rules make it so much more accessible and people reading Blanchitsu articles in White Dwarf can now look at free faction lists to get inspired to make their own.

I'm just worried about how limited the list is going to be. If there aren't many weapon options (if, for example, it just boils down to 2 choices of pistol and rifle) then the Inquisitor bands won't inspire the same level of creativity. That's not to say one couldn't still be creative about it... it'll just dampen the enthusiasm and possibilities.

 aka_mythos wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Thankyou Manchu!

Is there ever going to be an actual Necromunda with actual gangs, or is this it? I mean, this looks great and I always liked the 40K Kill Team battle reports in White Dwarf way back in the early 2000's, but I'll be disappointed if the classic Necromunda gangs won't be returning, they were such a cool grimdark aspect of the 40K lore. I was a kid back in the early 2000's with only enough disposable income for a single game (Lord of the Rings) but I loved reading battle reports and conversion and painting articles for Necromunda, mordheim, warhammer fantasy, inquisitor, 40K etc.

Those rules are available for free on Yaktribe.org. Alternatively you could use GSC of Imperial Guard lists in Shadow War. Not ideal, but it's workable.

John Blanche mentioned about a year back he was working on new concept art for Necromunda around the time GW announced Specialist Games Studio was returning. It take a few years from cinception to release typically, but promising that anything related to it was being worked on at all.

Necromunda is still in the works as a separate game and that may well be why this was just being treated as a splash release to drive terrain sales and token units. If this is part of a greater plan, putting this terrain out into the wild will help lower the barrier of entry whenever Necromunda proper does get released.

 davou wrote:

No, snark comes free when someone suggests that just because they weren't able to get a boxed copy of the game for each of their friends, their planned campaign is effectively dead.

Not sure what about that requires snark. A lot of people won't play games that they don't own the rules for. Particularly games as complicated as 40K, as it makes learning the rules a much more drawn out process and makes it harder to check stuff in between games.

Five pages back you have people making the argument that this will cause some kind of reaction that chases people away from GW products, and on this page you have people saying that they will buy an extra copy of something that they already have;

Indeed. It's almost like different people have different opinions on stuff.