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 Todosi wrote:
Do we have any news or rumors to report on future releases perhaps?

The impression I got from GW's FB posts is that there will be more support through WD. I emphasize that was my interpretation rather than any explicit statement on GW's part. No mention of specifics.

 Manchu wrote:

 Todosi wrote:
Do we have any news or rumors to report on future releases perhaps?

The impression I got from GW's FB posts is that there will be more support through WD. I emphasize that was my interpretation rather than any explicit statement on GW's part. No mention of specifics.

The only concrete things they've said on future releases:
-there will be a standalone rulebook, with SoB and Inquisition teams
-said SoB and Inquisition teams will be available as free downloads shortly after its release
-the Oil rig board was only built with kit pieces, components such as the crane, some pipes, and other equipment will be part of future terrain kits

Thommy H wrote:
The chainfist is only available to Chaos Terminator special operatives. It's not on the equipment list.

Okay, seems like its a translation issue then. The german version of the rules gives CSM the option of buying a chainfist... no chainsword though. Kind of an important difference, that. -__-

 Manchu wrote:
Well I know that people will tell me that HH proves otherwise but FW is a ghetto. Mainstream successful FW products into plastic GW releases? Good idea! Margoinalize successful GW products into FW super luxury items? Bad idea.

Agreed. Emphatically.
I appreciate FW, but past experiences as well as pricing/availability/ease of purchase make FW a non entity concerning my purchasing habits. There is next to nothing that they make that makes me think I need to buy it. So if Necromunda is FW only, then Necromunda exists only in fond memories rather than current game play.

Necromunda is awesome, but I'm pretty happy to play 40k in a microcosmic scale. They just need to add more variety in rules, like iyanden and such for it to be a great game instead of just pretty good.

Yes I would love to see some variant lists, especially Iyanden and Thousand Sons.

 Tyr13 wrote:

Thommy H wrote:
The chainfist is only available to Chaos Terminator special operatives. It's not on the equipment list.

Okay, seems like its a translation issue then. The german version of the rules gives CSM the option of buying a chainfist... no chainsword though. Kind of an important difference, that. -__-

Ah, yes, that would explain the confusion. In the English version, the third option in the hand-to-hand weapons of the Chaos Space Marines Equipment List is chainsword. Might want to let them know on their Facebook so they can correct it!

 Manchu wrote:
Yes I would love to see some variant lists, especially Iyanden and Thousand Sons.

There's varying skill charts for some of the Maureen Chapters and the Orks Klans, so seems possible we may see the same for others

Thommy H wrote:

 Tyr13 wrote:

Thommy H wrote:
The chainfist is only available to Chaos Terminator special operatives. It's not on the equipment list.

Okay, seems like its a translation issue then. The german version of the rules gives CSM the option of buying a chainfist... no chainsword though. Kind of an important difference, that. -__-

Ah, yes, that would explain the confusion. In the English version, the third option in the hand-to-hand weapons of the Chaos Space Marines Equipment List is chainsword. Might want to let them know on their Facebook so they can correct it!

I would... if I had facebook... <.<

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
Yes I would love to see some variant lists, especially Iyanden and Thousand Sons.

There's varying skill charts for some of the Maureen Chapters and the Orks Klans, so seems possible we may see the same for others

I'm not big into Eldar... do the Dire Avengers vary that much between different craftworlds? Unlike some of the other factions I can't help but think the distinctions come from preferred Aspects, which beyond Special Operatives would be outside the scope of the game.

 Manchu wrote:
Separately, the idea that Necromunda would be a big hit is not the correct lesson to draw from Shadow War's success. The lesson is, support Shadow War. Making hiver gangs is not that, which is probably why GW via FB was fairly dismissive of comments asking about that (e.g., advising people to use the IG lists pr adapt their own rules). That said, I would buy plastic Necromunda stuff just like I have been buying plastic BB stuff - I'd just avoid the overpriced, direct-only FW resin as I always have.

I agree that supporting Shadow Was is the lesson, but I disagree that adding hive gangs into Shadow War should not be done. It absolutely should be done; they're characterful to the setting and highly appropriate.

rmeister0 wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
Separately, the idea that Necromunda would be a big hit is not the correct lesson to draw from Shadow War's success. The lesson is, support Shadow War. Making hiver gangs is not that, which is probably why GW via FB was fairly dismissive of comments asking about that (e.g., advising people to use the IG lists pr adapt their own rules). That said, I would buy plastic Necromunda stuff just like I have been buying plastic BB stuff - I'd just avoid the overpriced, direct-only FW resin as I always have.

I agree that supporting Shadow Was is the lesson, but I disagree that adding hive gangs into Shadow War should not be done. It absolutely should be done; they're characterful to the setting and highly appropriate.

No they're not. The setting is Armageddon, not Necromunda. Shadow War feels more like Kill Team to me.
Edit: unless you're talking about Hive Gangs on Armageddon?

Though I do agree, I would really like to see the return of the actual Necromunda setting and gangs, they're a staple aspect of 40K lore.

I was interested in this until it turned out they only made five* copies of the box set then told everyone else to buy all the parts separately later for more money. I know I am late but it has been bugging me since it was 'sold out' almost instantly, and still annoys so I thought if I went ahead and posted it I could move one with my life. Perhaps now I can dream again?


*I may be exaggerating slightly.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

No they're not. The setting is Armageddon, not Necromunda. Shadow War feels more like Kill Team to me.

Though I do agree, I would really like to see the return of the actual Necromunda setting and gangs, they're a staple aspect of 40K lore.

Armageddon and Necromunda are both hive worlds. They both have hive cities and underhives. They would certainly both have hive gangs. von Strab's treason was probably an open invitation to lawless elements and created many more as well. Gangs would be chomping at the bit to grab whatever they could in all the confusion.

rmeister0 wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

No they're not. The setting is Armageddon, not Necromunda. Shadow War feels more like Kill Team to me.

Though I do agree, I would really like to see the return of the actual Necromunda setting and gangs, they're a staple aspect of 40K lore.

Armageddon and Necromunda are both hive worlds. They both have hive cities and underhives. They would certainly both have hive gangs. von Strab's treason was probably an open invitation to lawless elements and created many more as well. Gangs would be chomping at the bit to grab whatever they could in all the confusion.

OK, thought you were specifically talking about the Necromunda gangs.

A generic Hive Gang mu!tipart plastic box with lots of options would be fantastic.

What size board are people using for Shadow War? I haven't seen anyone really mention it. Necromunda was a 2x2, right?

 Ahtman wrote:
I know I am late but it has been bugging me since it was 'sold out' almost instantly

You have a legitimate point - OTOH any interest in buying the rulebook and playing even without the terrain discount box?

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
A generic Hive Gang multipart plastic box with lots of options would be fantastic.

I wouldn't not buy it LOL. But it doesn't have the same kind of efficiency/synergy as making lists for existing 40k models.

4' x 4' is recommended.

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
What size board are people using for Shadow War? I haven't seen anyone really mention it. Necromunda was a 2x2, right?

It's 4x4

I would love to see forgeworld put out a more zone mortals style expansion for the game balanced for stuff like termies vs genestealers, boarding marines vs kill setvitors, etc. Maby tied into the 30k stuff.

A thallax style kill team like the nid warriors would be awesome to see. I look foreword to see what kinda support forge world comes up with for shadow war. I love the more skirmish scale so much.

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
What size board are people using for Shadow War?

"The battlefield can be of any size from 2' x 2' upwards, but you will rarely need a space larger than 4' x 4'." p. 22

 Lockark wrote:
I would love to see forgeworld put out a more zone mortals style expansion for the game balanced for stuff like termies vs genestealers, boarding marines vs kill setvitors, etc. Maby tied into the 30k stuff.

A thallax style kill team like the nid warriors would be awesome to see. I look foreword to see what kinda support forge world comes up with for shadow war. I love the more skirmish scale so much.

Holy crap, a Thallax kill team would suck money directly out of my wallet. It might tear a hole in my pocket it would leave so fast.

I would not expect multiple plastic hive gang Kits. However a good plastic kit with a lot of bits could build multiple hive gangs and represent an Astra militarum penal legion kit.

That would be an ideal way for gw to introduce traditional necromunda hive Gangs. However I don't think gw feels there is a big enough market for this kit....yet. However keep pushing gw to produce it and anything is possible

What has happened is that this game allows those who like Necromunda or Kill Team (which still seems a derivative of Necromunda) to scratch that itch and play skirmish games.
It has that little bit more detail and the various models behave much like how you read them in books.
Between my original Necromunda material and SOA they are incredibly similar and it would take little effort to convert anything you like rather reasonably if they were not covered by GW (Squats!).
The gang would be trivial to include into the mix.
Narrative would be easy since they would not like uninvited guests in their area.
Dense terrain like Mordenheim or Frostgrave has been of interest, irritating to play with large armies but scary fun for a squad / warband of models.
Nothing says love like open vats of hazardous waste for your friend's models to fall into so that alone needs some consideration.
Craters filled with green sludge with some pipes and a kind of processing unit raises all kinds of questions: Food? fuel? useful chemical? deadly toxic and being neutralized or harvested?

Where this will shine is spurring me on to modular terrain with a game that can use it to it's fullest with bits of cover here or there.
40k games you need a good 6" solid of cover or the feature is pretty much useless.

 Manchu wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
I know I am late but it has been bugging me since it was 'sold out' almost instantly

You have a legitimate point - OTOH any interest in buying the rulebook and playing even without the terrain discount box?

At this point I will wait and see what happens with the book and what exactly the contents are.

 Ahtman wrote:
At this point I will wait and see what happens with the book and what exactly the contents are.

The book will be available for pre-order beginning 4/22. The pre-order period will last more than the usual one week. The contents are the same as the box set EXCEPT it will also include all the lists currently available in PDF as well as the lists for Adeptus Sororitas and Inquisition.

Is it too much to ask for a PDF of the roster sheet? I hate photocopying pages from books. I suppose I could take a picture and convert that to a PDF after a little cleanup.

BTW, I got to see the terrain in person today (mine is still on sprue). I don't know why I thought it was going to be smaller. The pieces are quite large. Another couple pieces from the standard releases will give me plenty for a 6x4 board.

Since GW already grants permission to photocopy the roster for personal use there should be no obstacle to offering it as a PDF other than the folks being busy people or not having thought about it yet. Would be a good thing to reach out about via FB.

 Manchu wrote:
Since GW already grants permission to photocopy the roster for personal use there should be no obstacle to offering it as a PDF other than the folks being busy people or not having thought about it yet. Would be a good thing to reach out about via FB.

I sent them a message already. I am confident they will release one at some point.


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I dropped by my FLGS today and it looks like SWA is already going to be a hit. They received and sold ten copies. Tons of infantry kits were sold. People are all talking about what they are going to make for a kill team.

I might get some Eldar Guardians and Dire Avengers to make a Kill Team with. For now, just my Skitarii and Space Marines will be getting kill teams though. Or do I want to pick up some Tau or Tyranids instead? Probably Eldar since Dire Avengers are my favorite Aspect.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Is it too much to ask for a PDF of the roster sheet?

Or a PDF of the rules?

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Or do I want to pick up some Tau or Tyranids instead? Probably Eldar since Dire Avengers are my favorite Aspect.

Aside from what comes in the core box, I have specifically bought Skitarii, GSC, Vostroyans, and Dark Eldar thanks to SW. I have wanted all of these models for as long as they have been out (or in the case of Vostroyans, as long as I have been into this IP). If there were lists for Thousand Sons and the larger AdMech, you can bet I would buy them, too! I am also really tempted by Tyranid, Necron, Craftworld, and GK. Pretty much the only team I am not interested in is Harlequins.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Is it too much to ask for a PDF of the roster sheet?

Or a PDF of the rules?

You can buy one on 4/22 mon frere.