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 Albertorius wrote:
Ok, so, some time ago (like, a month :p), I got a cheap fdm 3d printer to have my very own Star Trek replicator ^_^. Or to start fiddling around with all the printing stuff at home thing, one or the other. Anyways, the fdm printers are really great to do stuff like terrain, inserts for boardgames, actual stuff that works and all that, but the definition leaves a bit to be desired for miniatures. But I though that hell, printing a mini costs peanuts, so might as well try to do minis with it!

So I did.

The first test was a TBolt, because why the hell not:

It is OK to make 3d printed Mechwarrior Online miniatures because Piranha Games and Catalyst Gaming Labs have greenlit for personal use. Which is very bro of them. I am considering making a set in MWA scale. You could even show those images on the company Battletech forums. What you cant do its take a scan of Iron Wind Metals products, though you have not done that.

Not sure about the Rhino though,is it an original digisculpt? Cool Rhino/not-Rhino and all, but just because its big bad Gee-dub, doesnt mean they dont have rights.

It is an original sculpt, yeah, but not by me (it's up on Thingiverse): three main pieces and 4 smoke stacks, and it prints very well

As to rights, well, as you say it's not a copy but an original on the same style, but the EU is on top of that right now, so probably we'll have some new legislation soonish.


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Crusader melon-fether!!!!

Legs are a bit fat I think, but it's not bad at all!

It's supposed to look that way, actually ^_^ (Remember, the Unseen Crusader is actually the Full Armored VF-1, and the armor goes on top of the battloid)

Yeah, I know. They just seem a little too big to me. Maybe decreasing their size by like 10%. Not much, they just seem a little wide to me.

Yeah, I can see that. I like it being the FA VF-1, though, so it works for me quite nicely, but I can see how it could irk some people.

Okay so ordered basically 1 of every lance pack local store has so have 20 mechs coming on my way. Packs are fire, pursuit, recon, striker and support.

Was thinking of splitting them in 2 with lyran and draconis inner sphere factions(good for giving also good excuse to field either against clans).

Not that up to date on fluff so are there any mechs on above lances that are more common on one of the two? Hopefully none are "never ever using that" level but if one of the two is more likely to use some of the mechs put them for that and work rest from there for roughly even split.

I would break it up like this:
Combine: Trebuchet, Jenner, Panther, Dragon, Charger, Shogun, Dervish, Assassin, Vindicator, Cicada

Lyran: Flea, Spider, Firestarter, Wolfhound, Clint, Centurion, Guillotine, Awesome, Quickdraw, Stalker.

The weird one is the Shogun. It doesn't really belong in either. Basically, the Lyrans have more firepower, but the Combine has more speed and maneuverability.

Give it to the Combine forces. Say it's something they stole off the Dragoons when they tried to kill them.

 Mattlov wrote:
I would break it up like this:
Combine: Trebuchet, Jenner, Panther, Dragon, Charger, Shogun, Dervish, Assassin, Vindicator, Cicada

Lyran: Flea, Spider, Firestarter, Wolfhound, Clint, Centurion, Guillotine, Awesome, Quickdraw, Stalker.

The weird one is the Shogun. It doesn't really belong in either. Basically, the Lyrans have more firepower, but the Combine has more speed and maneuverability.

Yeah learned later of the shogun issue. That IS bit of a bummer. Of course I could keep that on side 'till I would get the proper force but...

If I use it def would go to Draconis. With that name how can I NOT put it to Japanese themed Draconis

I had made fairly similar list except Dervish and Vindicator were on Lyrans. Also unless wiki is off assasin isn't on mechs I will be getting.

Dervish, Shogun, Stalker, Trebuchet, Centurion, Clint, Jenner, Wolfhound, Cicada, Flea, Spider, Vulcan, Dragon, Guillotine, Panther, Quickdraw, Awesome, Charger, Firestarter, Vindicator

Vulcan is missing on your list with that assasin. Are they different names for same mech?

The Vulcan could easily go with either faction really, both the Combine and the Lyrans produce them.

Okay plans changed. Apart from mentioned mechs got hold of this big pile. Anybody have good website for identifying minis?-) some have codes and can recognize 3 atlas and 3 catapults at least. Oh and 2 riflemen as well. Axeman as well

With this will be doing more factions including black dragoons who will get shogun.

Now to paint these. After identifying and sorting things a bit.

Left to right, in order from the back:

1 Commando, 2 Battlemaster, 3 Locust (P), 4 Stinger (P), 5 Locust (P), 6 Blackjack (P)

7 Wasp (P), 8 Rifleman, 9 Hunchback (P), 10 Archer, 11 Damaged Rifleman, 12 Black Knight

13 Panther (P), 14 Wasp (P),

15 Commando (P), 16 Archer, 17 Hunchback, 18 Archer, 19 Hussar , 20 Vulcan, 21 Stalker

22 Thunderbolt (P), 23 Rifleman torso and legs only, 24 Grasshopper, 25 Atlas (P)

26 Valkyrie (P), 27 Phoenixhawk (P), 28 Wolverine (P) with what looks like a headswap, 29 Battlemaster (P), 30 Phoenixhawk (P), 31 Blackjack, 32 Atlas (P), 33 Atlas

34 Firestarter, 35 Warhammer, 36 Wasp

37 Rifleman (P), 38 Locust (P), 39 Javelin, 40 Locust (P), 41 Hatchetman, 42 Archer, 43 Catapult

44 Stinger, 45 Shadowhawk (P), 46 Panther (P), 47 Vulcan, 48 Awesome, 49 Catapult (P), 50 Javelin

51 Blackjack (P), 52 Crusader (P), 53 Griffin (P), 54 Ostroc 55 And just about half in shot is what looks like a plastic Hunchback

There's one that I'm not 100% certain on which I think is an Unseen Ostscout, but the rest I'm very certain of. I only see 2 Catapults though, I'm guessing you mis-identified the Stalker (21) as a third Cat? Similarly, there's no Axman there, I guess you were referring to the Hatchetman (41). You have the parts at least of four Riflemen including two complete examples, the one that's just the legs and body section will need some work though.

Edit: No, that one is an Ostroc. I always get my Ost- mechs mixed up!

Looks like you have a mix of some of the old metals and some Citytech/Plastech/3rd Edition Boxed Set soft plastic mechs there, which accounts for some of the differences in the sculpts. I've used (P) to indicate those which I think are plastics based on their appearances here, but obviously without actually getting to pick them up in person it's a bit more difficult to tell. The 3rd Edition box set plastics weren't bad sculpts IIRC and fairly indistinguishable from the metals on the tabletop, the Citytech and Plastech mechs were for the most part noticeably inferior IMO.

Note that I've tried to list them roughly in the rows as they appear in the picture there, I did try to format my post to make it a bit clearer but Dakka defaulted it back to standard formatting. If you'd like any clarification please feel free to ask, hopefully the picture will help.

Overall, a pretty decent haul there IMO with quite a few of the old Unseens.

Wow didn't expect anybody to go through bother of writing down everything(which is why they are in bit of a messy order). Thanks! After stripping paint will be marking them down with the codenames(handy idea that) again.

Some are metals, some are plastics. Some of them yeah quite bad quality :-/ Not sure did I overpay though there's hefty amount of metal versions so shouldn't be too bad. Not that many really bad ones though. They go for my 2nd line of models though.

Quite possible I misidentified stalker as catapult. I'm not high inner sphere guru and I haven't yet spent much time with these(yesterday was 40k game night so that took some time).

Oh and the riflemen without arms in pic btw DOES have both arms but they are separated so need gluing up. One IS missing one arm though so need to figure some way to recreate it.

Oh and holy you even put numbers on the photo. Huge thanks!

Just leave it without the arm, and model it as battle damaged.

No problem at all, happy to help.

 Mmmpi wrote:
Just leave it without the arm, and model it as battle damaged.

I'd either do this, or use it as a chance to convert it into either an RFL-3C (Twin AC-10 version) or stick a couple of big missile pods on the side for a fairly decent Longbow proxy.

As an aside, the Rifleman that's in the picture completely missing its arms is also looks to be missing its head section and radar antenae, so unless that's also lose with the arms you might have to model or convert an alternative.

BTW speaking of riflemen what TRO stats come from? I have 3050 upgraded and no sign. Is it because it's unseen? Do I need to buy the original 3050 just for sake of the unseen mechs?

The RFL-3N Rifleman was in the original TRO3025, however like all the other Unseens it was dropped in the revised edition. AFAIK I don't think any were in the original TRO3050, but the upgraded versions were in the relevant record sheets books

If you want a free and legal shortcut you could download Megamek and Meklab and you can use them to get all the relevant information you'd need to fill out the record sheets for any mech or combat vehicle.

 simonr1978 wrote:
AFAIK I don't think any were in the original TRO3050, but the upgraded versions were in the relevant record sheets books

Early printings of TRO:3050 did have the unseen. The unseen weren't dropped until 1996 and TRO:3050 was first released in 1990. The RFL-5D was featured in TRO:3050 and featured upgraded weapons, an XL engine and double heat-sinks.

tneva82 wrote:
BTW speaking of riflemen what TRO stats come from? I have 3050 upgraded and no sign. Is it because it's unseen? Do I need to buy the original 3050 just for sake of the unseen mechs?

You never have to buy a TRO. TROs are purely background books.

The actual gamestats would be in a Record Sheets product.

And get Solaris Skunk Werks. It is a free and comprehensive 'Mech building program and people have made all the files for the canon 'Mechs.

Yeah, if you only want stats, the TROs are kind of redundant.

I love them though. Years ago, they were an addiction. I must admit that I feel out of love with them with time, as the newer ones kept adding overly optimized mechs and/or too much new tech (and there are scads of new tech).

 Albertorius wrote:
Yeah, if you only want stats, the TROs are kind of redundant.

I love them though. Years ago, they were an addiction. I must admit that I feel out of love with them with time, as the newer ones kept adding overly optimized mechs and/or too much new tech (and there are scads of new tech).

But TROs are the only truly consistent sellers for Battletech books. Catalyst puts them out, they sell. They're the primary money maker for Battletech. That's why there are too many of them.


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Also, MegaMek Lab is a better source for 'Mechs than SSW. SSW has not been updated in a long time, and some of the calculations are not longer accurate for the most up to date rules.

 Mattlov wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
Yeah, if you only want stats, the TROs are kind of redundant.

I love them though. Years ago, they were an addiction. I must admit that I feel out of love with them with time, as the newer ones kept adding overly optimized mechs and/or too much new tech (and there are scads of new tech).

But TROs are the only truly consistent sellers for Battletech books. Catalyst puts them out, they sell. They're the primary money maker for Battletech. That's why there are too many of them.


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Also, MegaMek Lab is a better source for 'Mechs than SSW. SSW has not been updated in a long time, and some of the calculations are not longer accurate for the most up to date rules.

I tend to use MekHQ as a campaign log and inventory, most of the time. It is an impressive program.

Well got first game of battletech in years. Bit of rusty so we had plenty of rule checking up especially when we got close enough for physical attacks.

Atlas, axeman and flea paired off against awesome, catapult and panther. Not surprisingly atlas took at the start bulk of fire and it's right side in particular got serious damage and indeed on turn 2 it's autocannon was disabled by critical hit. Awesome meanwhile suffered much less damage in the beginning. However awesome was firing pretty recklessly especially on turn 2 which basically shut him down for turn 3 due to heat unable to do much except to try to cool down. He could not do much else with 20 heat remaining.

It was looking fairly grim but catapult's missiles managed to cause yet another critical to the atlast which blew out AC ammunition. Scratch one mech. However axeman was having none of that and with his autocannon and large laser blew out awesome's leg leaving it down.

Flea had been using his speed to bugger panther from behind who was having one leg nearly out already. Panther meanwhile was using it's guns to hurt the bigger mechs but this resulted in it's heat being dangerously high as well.

With heat issues now on axeman and panther axeman prepared to hit the awesome with axe and thus allow himself to cool down but then game basically ended as awesome fired from ground full salvo. 2 PPC's missed but one hit straight into axeman's head. 15 damage so one dead axeman. (this was rather awesome image we had. Legless awesome with very angry axe wielding mech preparing to give coup de grace but desperate last attempt blew up head in the last minute)

With just flea vs intact catapult, damaged panther and seriously damaged awesome we called it quits here.

Fun.

tneva82 wrote:

With heat issues now on axeman and panther axeman prepared to hit the awesome with axe and thus allow himself to cool down but then game basically ended as awesome fired from ground full salvo. 2 PPC's missed but one hit straight into axeman's head. 15 damage so one dead axeman. (this was rather awesome image we had. Legless awesome with very angry axe wielding mech preparing to give coup de grace but desperate last attempt blew up head in the last minute)

That shouldn't have auto-killed the Axman unless it had already taken a 2 point hit to the head as Inner Sphere PPCs only do 10 damage, there's still a chance a lucky critical roll might have taken out the cockpit or even destroyed the head completely though.

Yeah, I was about to say, how's that PPC doing 15 damage?

PPC Capacitor? Clan 2C model?

edit: Whoops pure mistake. Somehow we could have sworn it was 15. Silly us.

How would Battletech work for 40K knights vs knights games (not in 28mm scale!)? The new adeptus titanicus sounds interesting but I am generally into something fairly hardcore. I mainly spend my time playing historical hex and counter wargames or reasonably complicated great war or ww2 naval games. So I am looking for something fairly simulation heavy.

 Samsonov wrote:
How would Battletech work for 40K knights vs knights games (not in 28mm scale!)? The new adeptus titanicus sounds interesting but I am generally into something fairly hardcore. I mainly spend my time playing historical hex and counter wargames or reasonably complicated great war or ww2 naval games. So I am looking for something fairly simulation heavy.

By the standards of most games today its very rules heavy but not say to the extent of Star Fleet Battles say so it may be quite light for you.

The only real resource management is Heat - everything costs heat to undertake and you can only vent so much at the end of turn so it can also build up, too much and your 'Mech's performance suffers and eventually ammo explodes and /or your Mech shuts down.

There are a lot of decisions to make in game and there are plenty of options however - terrain and movement are both important.

There is a free quick start rules pack which would give you a good taste.

I can't see any reason why a Knights vs Knights game using BT would not work - the only real difference is that Knights have Ion Shields. In some ways they are easier as they only have a few weapon systems whereas Mechs may have quite a few.

A full conversion document for Knights (and WraithKnights, Stompas and such) in BT would be a great resource if done well.