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 Albertorius wrote:
Is there a full list of the plastic mechs produced? I'm trying to go over the Succession Wars and the Clan Invasion TROs to see which one haven't been produced so far to try and find 3d versions of those...

From this Kickstarter?

*deep breath*

Archer
Archer (Kell)
Atlas
Awesome
Axeman
Banshee
Battlemaster
Black Knight
Blackjack
Bushwacker
Cataphract
Catapult
Centurion
Commando
Crab
Crockett
Crusader
Cyclops
Dragon
Enforcer
Exterminator
Flashman
Grasshopper
Griffon
Guillotine
Hatchetman
Highlander
Hunchback
Jenner
King Crab
Lancelot
Locust
Longbow
Marauder
Marauder (Grayson)
Marauder II
Mercury
Mongoose
Nightstar
Orion
Panther
Phoenix Hawk
Raven
Rifleman
Sentinel
Shadow Hawk
Spider
Stalker
Stinger
Thug
Thunderbolt
Trebuchet
Valkyrie
Victor
Warhammer
Wasp
Wolfhound
Wolverine
Zeus

Battle Cobra
Behemoth
Black Hawk
Black Lanner
Cauldron-Born
Conjurer
Cougar
Crossbow
Daishi
Daishi (Widowmaker)
Dasher
Dragonfly
Fenris
Fire Falcon
Gladiator
Goshawk
Grendel
Hankyu
Hellion
Horned Owl
Howler
Hunchback IIC
Incubus
Kingfisher
Kodiak
Koshi
Linebacker
Loki
Mad Cat
Mad Cat (Pryde)
Man 'O War
Marauder IIC
Masakari
Night Gyr
Nobori-nin
Nova Cat
Pack Hunter
Piranha
Puma
Ryoken
Shadow Cat
Supernova
Thor
Turkina
Uller
Vulture
Warhammer IIC

Plus a plastic Annihilator which is some Best Buy exclusive or some other bull gak.

I was thinking both KS and the other boxes, but yes, thanks!

Other boxes?

Ok then...

3rd Ed BTech:
Archer
Battlemaster
Crusader
Griffin
Locust
Marauder
Phoenix Hawk
Rifleman
Shadow Hawk
Stinger
Thunderbolt
Warhammer
Wasp
Wolverine

CityTech 2nd Ed:
Javelin
Centurion
Orion
Victor
Uller
Black Hawk
Mad Cat
Daishi

Total Warfare box:
Assassin
Atlas
Awesome
Banshee
Catapult
Cicada
Clint
Commando
Cyclops
Dervish
Dragon
Enforer
Grasshopper
Hemes II
Hunchback
JaggerMech
Jenner
Panther
Quickdraw
Spider
Trebushet
Vindicator
Whitworth
Zeus

Total Warfare box (version 2):
Assassin
Atlas
Awesome
Banshee
Catapult
Cicada
Clint
Commando
Cyclops
Dervish
Dragon
Enforer
Grasshopper
Hemes II
Hunchback
JaggerMech
Jenner
Loki
Panther
Quickdraw
Spider
Thor
Trebushet
Vindicator
Whitworth
Zeus

Total Warfare box (version 3):
Assassin
Atlas
Awesome
Banshee
Battlemaster
Catapult
Cicada
Clint
Commando
Cyclops
Dervish
Dragon
Enforer
Grasshopper
Hemes II
Hunchback
JaggerMech
Jenner
Mad Cat
Panther
Quickdraw
Spider
Trebushet
Vindicator
Whitworth
Zeus

Thanks! ^^

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Other boxes?

Ok then...

*pushes glasses up nose* You forgot the Plastech Box:

Atlas
Catapult
Hunchback
Trebuchet
Blackjack
Panther
Locust
Valkyrie

I forgot more than that. Alpha Strike Force Packs!!! All of these had two of the same plastic 'Mechs from the starter box, and two new sculpts. Except for one of them ( ).

Assault Lance Pack
Atlas
Blackjack
Grasshopper
Victor

Pursuit Lance Pack
Centurion
Clint
Jenner
Wolfhound

Support Lance Pack
Awesome
Charger
Firestarter
Vindicator

Battle Lance Pack
Banshee
Hatchetman
Orion
Zeus

Recon Lance Pack
Cicada
Flea
Spider
Vulcan

Command Lance Pack
Cyclops
Raven
Cataphract
Catapult

Fire Lance Pack
Dervish
Stalker
Trebuchet
Shogun (WTF??? There's like 2 of these left in the Inner Sphere, and that's before 3070... why did they include this? )

Striker Lance Pack (aka the worst one)
Panther
Dragon
Quickdraw
Guillotine (the Guillotine is great, and you had to get the above three hunks of junk to get a single one )

Man I really want that new Raven, was my favourite mech for a long while

I'd love a company size box with just bug mechs. Nothing like going back to the olde 3025 days where having a Wasp made you a giant among men.

M.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I forgot more than that. Alpha Strike Force Packs!!! All of these had two of the same plastic 'Mechs from the starter box, and two new sculpts. Except for one of them ( ).


Shogun (WTF??? There's like 2 of these left in the Inner Sphere, and that's before 3070... why did they include this? )

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt because the AS sculpts are generally covered by the later starter sets
I was recently unpacking all of my AS lances and trying to organize them and the Shogun really stood out as an oddball. Only thing I could think to use it for was Wolf's Dragoons but there's not really enough else from the AS packs that stands out as WD fluffy. I think it's going to end up being an old sculpt amongst my mostly Catalyst WD forces.

4 down. A dozen to go.

M.

Edit: I just realized that when the mechs are under a bright sun that yellow is blazing.

 Gitzbitah wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Trafalgar Law wrote:

 Gitzbitah wrote:
The Panther's exactly what you'd expect when a society rejects the idea of medium mechs as a waste of resources. Technically, it's still a light- so it keeps the Combine ethos of lights and heavies going. But in every practical respect, it fights like a medium, filling that gaping hole in their TO&E.

Personally I love the little guys. They're scrappy, and brave enough to forego speed for a chance at reasonably damaging larger mechs.

I would agree if it was a 5/8/5 movement. But it's just too slow to really fill that role. I'll take Shadowhawk 2k anyday over a Panther.

or if you have to go with a light mech with a ranged support weapon a Valkyrie.

Very interesting! The Shadowhawk's a no brainer- even by BV, it's 1.5 Panthers.

But there aren't many people who would choose a single LRM10 rack over a PPC- especially when it only has a single ton of reloads.

For speed and maneuverability, no question, 5/8/5 beats 4/6/4 hollow. But the Panther's about being tough enough to hold still, and put a few PPC shots accurately on target to open some holes for your Jenners to exploit.

Sure the Panther is better for some roles, the valk is for others, it's all about trade offs, and yeaah, of course you can get more guns and more armor if you increase the mass by over 60%

Robert D. Thurston has died.

He surely did a great job turning the Green Chickens from the cartoon into Jade Falcons.

M.

I didn't want to derail the News thread further but thought it would be fun to share the Succession Wars era Sword of Light company I listed out based on what new plastics I've been able to score recently. I've been reading Warrior: En Garde and was inspired to make some thematic enemies for my Kell Hounds to square off against. I didn't set out to make a skew list but I kind of made a skew list:

Command Lance: Cyclops, Battlemaster, Grand Dragon, Capault K2
Fire Lance: Awesome, Thug, Rifleman (may swap this out), Warhammer (can be pre-Mallory's World Yorinaga)
Cavalry Lance: Panther, Jenner, Shadow Hawk 2K, Griffin

Do you like PPCs? Because it seems like SW era Dracs like PPCs.

How common were Thugs in this era?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
How common were Thugs in this era?

Not very, but not unheard of. The factory got destroyed, but they were tough.

Depends. Back before then unseen were removed, Thugs were supposed to be extinct. Then when then unseen were written out, they had space to fill so some downgraded variants from TR2750 were added into a revised TR3025. In fluff, the downgraded Thugs were built by Earthworks which was primarily in FWL/CC space so there shouldn't be many in Kurita space. A might be floating around as salvage and maybe some were even provided in a tech exchange or as foreign aid since the FWL and CC are loosely allied with Kurita at this point by the Concord of Kapteyn. In the 3030s, Comstar gave Kurita a lot of Star League designs downgraded to 3025 spec so they might have gotten some Thugs then. The Hatamoto-Chi looks suspiciously like a Thug that was fitted into a Charger chassis. Kurita probably liked the concept and decided to rework it with locally produced parts to make it more logistically friendly.

Strangely enough, the Master Unit List gives availability for the 3025 Thug to FWL and Kurita.

Post Thu, 18/Nov/2021 10:01:20 Subject: Classic Battletech Is Awesome: the Thread!
How common were Thugs in this era?

cannonfodr wrote:
Depends. Back before then unseen were removed, Thugs were supposed to be extinct. Then when then unseen were written out, they had space to fill so some downgraded variants from TR2750 were added into a revised TR3025. In fluff, the downgraded Thugs were built by Earthworks which was primarily in FWL/CC space so there shouldn't be many in Kurita space. A might be floating around as salvage and maybe some were even provided in a tech exchange or as foreign aid since the FWL and CC are loosely allied with Kurita at this point by the Concord of Kapteyn. In the 3030s, Comstar gave Kurita a lot of Star League designs downgraded to 3025 spec so they might have gotten some Thugs then. The Hatamoto-Chi looks suspiciously like a Thug that was fitted into a Charger chassis. Kurita probably liked the concept and decided to rework it with locally produced parts to make it more logistically friendly.

Strangely enough, the Master Unit List gives availability for the 3025 Thug to FWL and Kurita.

Post Thu, 18/Nov/2021 10:01:20 Subject: Classic Battletech Is Awesome: the Thread!
How common were Thugs in this era?

I was also basing that choice off one of the short stories in Shrapnel (either #3 or #4) that was earlier in First or Second SW and featured a lance of elite Kuritan Thugs wrecking house before

Do you like PPCs? Because it seems like SW era Dracs like PPCs.

They never stopped liking PPCs

It is a matte of lore in the universe that each faction prefers a certain weapons package and combat tactics. they vary slightly by unit within their respective militaries (see the field manuals)but overall the great houses and the clans favor this approach.

The Combines love of PPCs is mirrored by the Lyran love of gauss, the Davion love of auto cannons, the odd Marik obsession with light gauss etc...

 aphyon wrote:
... the odd Marik obsession with light gauss etc...

The Light Gauss Rifle was introduced by the Free Worlds League and (IIRC) first had it's rules and background presented in Field Manual: Free Worlds League, much like the Lyrans received the Heavy Gauss Rifle and the Kuritans received the Medium-Range Missiles.

I think it's funny how so many think that Davion has an obsession with Autocannons, but they also do a lot with lasers, too. Ever here of the ReEngineered Laser? That was NAIS work.

 Charistoph wrote:
I think it's funny how so many think that Davion has an obsession with Autocannons, but they also do a lot with lasers, too. Ever here of the ReEngineered Laser? That was NAIS work.

the "davions love autocanons" meme stems from a minor mention in one of the tro 3025 entries mentioned "duke davions love of autocanons" and in fairness the two "most davion" medium mechs are proably the centurion and enforcer.. that said the 3025 D varients tend to strip missiles and machine guns for additional armor and turn mechs into laser boats.

Ghaz wrote:

 aphyon wrote:
... the odd Marik obsession with light gauss etc...

The Light Gauss Rifle was introduced by the Free Worlds League and (IIRC) first had it's rules and background presented in Field Manual: Free Worlds League, much like the Lyrans received the Heavy Gauss Rifle and the Kuritans received the Medium-Range Missiles.

Uh so yeah that's what i said, house Marik is the free worlds league, and they do love their light gauss

Charistoph wrote:I think it's funny how so many think that Davion has an obsession with Autocannons, but they also do a lot with lasers, too. Ever here of the ReEngineered Laser? That was NAIS work.

I think it more stems from the almost devotion level of use of the RAC specifically the RAC 5

Even looking at the iconic mechs that every faction has access to you see the same thing-marauder with PPCs-Kurita, marauder with gauss/heavy gauss Steiner, marauder with RAC 5-Davion, marauder with stealth armor-Capellan etc...

 aphyon wrote:

Ghaz wrote:

 aphyon wrote:
... the odd Marik obsession with light gauss etc...

The Light Gauss Rifle was introduced by the Free Worlds League and (IIRC) first had it's rules and background presented in Field Manual: Free Worlds League, much like the Lyrans received the Heavy Gauss Rifle and the Kuritans received the Medium-Range Missiles.

Uh so yeah that's what i said, house Marik is the free worlds league, and they do love their light gauss

You said it was an 'odd Marik obsession'. It's not anymore of an 'odd obsession' for House Marik than it is for any other House to favor a weapon system built within their borders.

I meant it was odd because you are paying the weight and ammo requirements to get a weapon that is effectively an ER large laser with slightly longer range.
Granted everything is a trade off, heat sinks are "ammo" for energy weapons, gauss rifles are very heavy, take up a bunch of crit space,and explode when hit with internal crits, but generate almost no heat etc....

Maybe my Steiner is showing but i will take a 15 point wrecker over an 8 pointer.

 aphyon wrote:
I meant it was odd because you are paying the weight and ammo requirements to get a weapon that is effectively an ER large laser with slightly longer range.
Granted everything is a trade off, heat sinks are "ammo" for energy weapons, gauss rifles are very heavy, take up a bunch of crit space,and explode when hit with internal crits, but generate almost no heat etc....

Maybe my Steiner is showing but i will take a 15 point wrecker over an 8 pointer.

I always thought the same with light goose, but a buddy of mine ... who plays marik, did not know the connection till now, uses them all the time and over the game the lack of heat really adds up against my more toasty mechs I like, pretty sure he uses a Night star with 4 lights goose and a few mediums but its been a while.


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Gauss not goose

 aphyon wrote:
I meant it was odd because you are paying the weight and ammo requirements to get a weapon that is effectively an ER large laser with slightly longer range.
Granted everything is a trade off, heat sinks are "ammo" for energy weapons, gauss rifles are very heavy, take up a bunch of crit space,and explode when hit with internal crits, but generate almost no heat etc....

Maybe my Steiner is showing but i will take a 15 point wrecker over an 8 pointer.

The Light Gauss is not a replacement for the ER Laser, it's a replacement for the ac/10 class that outranges everything save the Clan ER L Laser.

M.

I'm not a fan of the LGR myself, I tend to prefer medium range bruisers (the ENF and CNT are long time favs of mine for instance) but it's def got a use. you'd use it on a design that might use a AC5 or even AC2 in the past.
I've often thought the Jaegermech'd be a good canidate for LGRs

Yeah the LGR is an odd one specifically because it weighs as much as the full-sized Clan version, and is so outclassed it's not funny. I'd rather take Large Lasers in the place of LGRs.

HGRs on the other hand. And, even better, Silver Bullet Gauss! Yes! More of that please!

A Thunder Hawk with a pair of regular Gauss Rifles and a Silver Bullet Gauss to back them up is a thing of beauty.

One in our group uses an LGR-equipped Malice with great affect, but it is a very heavy sniper in that position.

Still, a lot depends on what tech one is allowed to use. Indeed, that LGR-euqipped Malice doesn't take much to make it equivalently equipped GR-equipped Malice when using Clan equipment.

Still, I spooked the crap out of his last night when I had a 20-ton, 20 Cruising VTOL with a Booby Trap that was able to find hiding places along its path to it. Apparently 305 points of damage to everything in a hex can be scary (especially when an Atlas dies to a slightly lighter Hovercraft equipped the same earlier in the game).