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Sounds promising! It seems like the general consensus on Shadespire, from the people that have tried it at the various events, is very positive. I don't think I've read a negative review yet. Some have had concerns, like the neutral card issue in this review, but mostly everyone seems to like it. It makes me very hopeful
Just read the review thoroughly and the guy said Blood Bowl didn't get GW support, lol.
On the other note, I'm kinda hope they dropped the Orc and Skeleton team at the same time or at least one week after another. But knowing GW, that seem unlikely.
Yes, the defence dice will probably make the Stormcast quite more durable than the Bloodreaver. Keep in mind that both are the leaders (I think) of their warbands, so both should have roughly the same base stats, but then armour and attacks will differentiate them from each other.
Those are inspired stat, in normal state he can only roll 1 defense dice. All SC character have 4 HP, on khorne team only the chieftain have 4 HP, other guy have 2 or 3 HP. But they have 1 more hex move (+1 more when inspired for the chieftain )so I reckon they will rely on hit&run or kiting rather than head on 1v1 with the Stormcast. Even in the review they said the Khorne have a weak range attack to wither down the Stormcast.
Ouch, 70 bucks. I was starting to get excited for this one, but 70 seems a lot for eight models when three monopose Plague Marines or Primarus Marines are 15. Especially as a few cards and a cardboard battlefield aren't items I feel you can really ratchet the price up with. I probably would have picked it up to try out for 50. I might still if it hear a ton of good stuff a few months in, but it seems unlikely.
Thats a lot for three Stormcasts, since i dont carw about
Khorne...
warboss wrote: Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
If you think the prices is too high, tell GW. They already dropped the price on a previous product between 3rd party previews and release. Might have been one of the standalone games.
I don't mind. People pay 40 bucks for Xwing starters after store discounts. Paying 60 for this with the same discount doesn't seem all that outlandish.
It's certainly not a price for people who only want the miniatures and toss the rest.
I don't think we had that before (Space Hulk aside). Every boxed game contained so much minitures that it was a saving for the miniatures alone and the game was a bonus.
Hope this means it get's support once the inital teams are all out because I'm intrigued by the game sytem.
In my case, I'm really interested in the game but I dearly wished they had other starter versions because I don't care at all for Sigmarines and Khorne, but I really want to play with the Ironjawz and Skeletons.
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Exactly. GW can be their own worst enemies for this, selling what are clearly discount model collections with a game tossed in, but Shadespire seems designed from the ground up to be a complete game and not just a chance to get a job lot of cheap(er) models. Who sees the £34.99 (or whatever it is) starter for X-Wing as a rip-off for only three models?
Exactly. GW can be their own worst enemies for this, selling what are clearly discount model collections with a game tossed in, but Shadespire seems designed from the ground up to be a complete game and not just a chance to get a job lot of cheap(er) models. Who sees the £34.99 (or whatever it is) starter for X-Wing as a rip-off for only three models?
It is obvious that new product will be priced accordingly. We are not paying for a plastic minis, but for a full game.
And one starter for x-wing you cannot even build 100pts sqadron. You need either ships from 1st wave or 2nd starter. Here we have full stand alone game (at least it looks like it at his moment).
Exactly. GW can be their own worst enemies for this, selling what are clearly discount model collections with a game tossed in, but Shadespire seems designed from the ground up to be a complete game and not just a chance to get a job lot of cheap(er) models. Who sees the £34.99 (or whatever it is) starter for X-Wing as a rip-off for only three models?
It is obvious that new product will be priced accordingly. We are not paying for a plastic minis, but for a full game.
And one starter for x-wing you cannot even build 100pts sqadron. You need either ships from 1st wave or 2nd starter. Here we have full stand alone game (at least it looks like it at his moment).
Depends entirely on replay value. If the box contents have a ton of replay value, $70 is reasonable. If the box is sort of a one and done where you need to immediately buy more stuff to enjoy the game, $70 is pretty high.
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This video gives a pretty good overview of the game and shows some of the variation that is possible. (it is from the dreaded bols unfortunately)
At first glance it looks like the game will have a lot of replayability, but we will have to see how it plays out.
Exactly. GW can be their own worst enemies for this, selling what are clearly discount model collections with a game tossed in, but Shadespire seems designed from the ground up to be a complete game and not just a chance to get a job lot of cheap(er) models. Who sees the £34.99 (or whatever it is) starter for X-Wing as a rip-off for only three models?
People are also used to GW's standalone games being great (model) value, whether they are all-new models like Deathwatch: Overkill & Warhammer Quest: Silver Tower or recycled models like Warhammer Quest: Hammerhal. Not to mention that the Warhammer/40k/AoS starter sets have always provided a ton of models. Even Blood Bowl has a fair whack of models, as will Necro V.2.
If Shadespire had a whole lot of models it would be a Day 1 auto-purchase as I can easily self-justify that across my collection even if I don't particularly get into SP. With 8 models, I'll be very cautious about making that leap at the price point being asked, since I can get the new version of Pandemic, etc or any given number of other highly-rated boardgames for far less. (Even importing it and pretending GW's lolaussie prices don't exist.)
W1ntermute wrote: It is obvious that new product will be priced accordingly. We are not paying for a plastic minis, but for a full game.
Well, you are also paying for the minis. In GW's eyes, each of the 8 figures is a hero-quality unique sculpt that they would probably sell for $25 each (like the Knight Questor from Silver Tower).
I just hope, unlike Silver Tower, they have regular sized cards that fit into card sleeves.
Stepping outside GW's reality distortion field, you have to compare it not to its own games or models, but what else you can get. Also, X-Wing isn't the be all end all in that category either. While certainly cheaper than say Zombicide or Infinity or BMG starter boxes, it also comes with less stuff. Another problem is that the GW aesthetic is rather hit and miss outside their own customers.
If this had been $50USD, I'd have bought it no questions. At just short of $100CAD, I'm out.
Gorechosen, those are actual heroes fight under the Mighty Lord of Khorne, they're (probably) bigger and more detail than the one from shadespire, which btw they're just normal dude with names. I imagine GW give them AoS rule and let them (the lowest of low rank) fight alongside their superior as heroes, which is kinda funny. A bloodreaver is like a vermin to a Gorechosen.
But even with the insane "value" that Gorechosen bring, I don't think that game sale very well.
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Exactly. GW can be their own worst enemies for this, selling what are clearly discount model collections with a game tossed in, but Shadespire seems designed from the ground up to be a complete game and not just a chance to get a job lot of cheap(er) models. Who sees the £34.99 (or whatever it is) starter for X-Wing as a rip-off for only three models?
People are also used to GW's standalone games being great (model) value, whether they are all-new models like Deathwatch: Overkill & Warhammer Quest: Silver Tower or recycled models like Warhammer Quest: Hammerhal. Not to mention that the Warhammer/40k/AoS starter sets have always provided a ton of models. Even Blood Bowl has a fair whack of models, as will Necro V.2.
If Shadespire had a whole lot of models it would be a Day 1 auto-purchase as I can easily self-justify that across my collection even if I don't particularly get into SP. With 8 models, I'll be very cautious about making that leap at the price point being asked, since I can get the new version of Pandemic, etc or any given number of other highly-rated boardgames for far less. (Even importing it and pretending GW's lolaussie prices don't exist.)
This pretty much is exactly it. I bought both Silver Tower and Deathwatch, knowing that even if I didn't like the game, I still got a heck of a lot of cool models (models that, at that time, were brand new). I didn't get around to playing Deathwatch, though the rules looked good, and I thought Silver Tower was a very enjoyable game.
This is just kind of a tough sell at the price point, especially for a gaming stores. If someone is just looking for a fun game and isn't tied to a miniature game, you can easily get a known quantity board game that is very well received that will almost 100% have more replay value for less. If someone is young, or doesn't have a lot of time, X-Wing is prepainted and you can try the game to see if you like it for 30 buck less, and it has a known gaming scene with tournaments almost everywhere.
I'm not writing the game off, it could be really great. It his a lot of positive notes for me: Small footprint, quick gameplay, etc (and look at how cool those Deathrattle models are!). I'm just saying I'm won't be buying it to try it out at that price, I'll wait for a few months and see how interest is and what reception is like. If it were priced at say 40 or 50 bucks, I would probably purchase it day one to give it a shot.
ImAGeek wrote: That Khorne game with the 4 models in the arena whose name escapes me was £35 for 4 models. £45 with 8 models seems about in line with that.
It was also repacking some of their more overpriced AOS foot-sized character models, that to be fair are all large 40mm-base dudes. It could be viewed as a "bundle" that happened to come with a pretty good game.
Another gameplay video with some pretty positive impressions at the end. The options for character progression that the cards give seem pretty extensive. Hopefully this will keep playing with the same warband fresh.
I agree that the price keeps it out of the impulse buy range, but the more videos I watch, the more impressed I am.
If the recent GW standalone games have a problem, it is the lack of replayability due to most of them being scenario focused.
Shadespire with it's objective deck should avoid this problem.
We also have yet to see the 3 or 4 player options that the game will include.
It is also worth pointing out that $70 is the rrp (the same as pandemic legacy). Most game stores in America will be selling it for $60 or $55.
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