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 streetsamurai wrote:
There's a reason why the time when people were the most excited for AOS was when they released the sky dwarves. Enough with the millions of stormcast, and give us something to flesh out the setting

Debatable.

AoS was arguably already in the ascendant after the General's Handbook in 2016, prior to the release of the KO. From a purely hobby focused standpoint, I'd say the Ironjawz release smoked the KO. After that release, all of my social media feeds were filled with Ironjawz, Goregruntas and Maw-Krushas painted up in every color under the sun for what seemed like weeks after. The KO release, maybe I saw 1/4 of that.

Maybe the KO release was when you got most exicted for AoS, but AoS already in a healthy spot while the KO were just rumors. There was certainly excitement for the KO, can't deny that, but I don't think they were the highwater mark that your are implying.

 nels1031 wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
There's a reason why the time when people were the most excited for AOS was when they released the sky dwarves. Enough with the millions of stormcast, and give us something to flesh out the setting

Debatable.

AoS was arguably already in the ascendant after the General's Handbook in 2016, prior to the release of the KO. From a purely hobby focused standpoint, I'd say the Ironjawz release smoked the KO. After that release, all of my social media feeds were filled with Ironjawz, Goregruntas and Maw-Krushas painted up in every color under the sun for what seemed like weeks after. The KO release, maybe I saw 1/4 of that.

Maybe the KO release was when you got most exicted for AoS, but AoS already in a healthy spot while the KO were just rumors. There was certainly excitement for the KO, can't deny that, but I don't think they were the highwater mark that your are implying.

Yeah, to be honest, Ironjawz and Sylvaneth was the peak of interest for AoS, at least for what I have seen. A friend of mine that do comission works had like... 8-10 Mawcrusas to paint in 1-2 weeks after the release. He said to me that he never had something like that happen before, even with things like Guilliman, etc...

Indeed, the Ironjaws and Sylvaneth were met with a ton of excitement and were their best sellers at the time.

The more recognisable something is, the more put off I am, 

That's a pity. I love the continuity even though I can't get enough of the new lore.

Necoho being mentioned, the Kislev bear god making a reappearance and even human nods like the imperial heraldries that changed down the centuries and were renamed or stuff like the Order of the sons of Breton make me really happy.

No one tell Archaon

Archaon? No one tell Thanquol!

He's likely to wipe out all nine realms and then some.

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 Crimson wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Marauders unusable? I still think they look great! What is wrong with them? Just that they aren’t menacing enough? Or not enough scars?

They've old and look like crap. Just compare them to these Drakoath characters.

To be fair, they looked like crap when they were new.

What's more interesting on the AoS front is from the ADB AMA, which is up on Atia's site- https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/2627
He mentions not being a fan of AoS on release, but that he's getting more interested for stuff coming in the future:

I was a crazy-late adopter to Age of Sigmar. The Old World resentment hit me reeeaaaally hard, but I got a seriously lucky break, when WHTV asked me about helping them with some script work for their trailers. I had to sign a bunch of extra NDAs, and the end result that I've started seeing some insanely awesome stuff coming down the pipe for AoS in the future. And that finally turned me around all the way on the new setting

Cool

Hope they will also give us rules that are more interesting than a continuous 4+ roll fest.


But on a more serious note, If I was an AOS fan, I'd be pissed at GW now. Have they released anything new for AOS since the Overlords, almost a year ago (except for the nurgle sc box)???

Just as the game was starting to grow in my area, it fell back into the abyss


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 Yodhrin wrote:

Baron Klatz wrote:

Yod's got a very good point though - maybe something that takes advantage of the 'new' and doesn't point directly back to/at WFB's Olde Worlde too?

All in good time. For now the more recognizable releases help older fans transfer over into AoS easier by having a identifiable starting point and plays off the TWW hype as well.

It'll be a few years down the road when GW can go really crazy with stuff like Duardin that make homes in gargantuan trees, Grot pirates using Leviathans as ships and ancient races that built magic weapons that could destroy realms.

Even the sky titans can make an army again and the God-beasts are an untapped source of powers and followers.

For me it's the exact opposite, and I doubt I'm alone among the more vehement fans of WHF as-was(and lets be real, we're all that's left from the "played WHFB/Mordheim" group now, everyone else has either jumped on AoS already or moved on from GW games). The more recognisable something is, the more put off I am, because I don't want to be reminded that AoS exists at the expense of one of my favourite settings - the closest I came to buying-in on AoS so far was Overlords, and for me that's the kind of level of difference I'd like to see pervade the new setting. It's even a bit irritating, when they ostensibly killed off WHF to create this great opportunity to be as weird and surreal and mythical as they like...and then we got Land Marines and an army of Slayers and Dryads-but-with-elves-sticking-out-the-front etc.

I can understand why they cannibalised the old WHF model range to cut the cost of launching the new IP even if I don't like it, but at some stage GW have to gak or get off the pot.

Agreed, while for some armies, I could understand using the same minis, for most, it was simply nonsensical (empire, HE, DE, etc), and really made the setting feel like a cheap knock off

Well technically that's what things like demigryphs and sky-cutters (among many other 8th models) were for, models planned to transition into AoS. So it's certainly not that bad to use other models that match that aesthetic going forward especially since those races are fully in the lore.

As for releases, the Overlords were only about half a year ago and there's been the Firestorm campaign sets and ShadeSpire release since then which were both very much a thumbs-up for AoS fans.

I am an aos fan and the most disappointimg about 2017 has been the lack of new battletomes since May. The game seems to be in a pretty good place in terms of balance. Recent tournaments have had top tens with 7 or 8 different factions represented each time. Ghb 2017 did a good job of shaking up the game a bit without shifting things too drastically.
Skirmish is decent. GW recently hired the guy who wrote Hinterlands, so I hope that skirmish gets expanded and deepened.
Firestorm has been pretty well received.
The one massive thing that is lacking is new battletomes with new miniature ranges. GW really needs to bring it in this regard next year.
In the first 12 months of aos we had 4 campaign books and 10 battletomes. In the 16 months since then we have had 4 battletomes and 2 campaign supplements.
That is a pretty awful release rate especially since 2 of those books are rejigged versions of books which already existed.
I was extremely excited when Ko came out and it seemed like Aelves were just around the corner. Whether you like Ko or not the ambition of that design really got me thinking they were going to take advantage of the semi clean slate that Aos provides to do some exciting stuff.

I think we need at least 6 new battletomes next year.
Anything less will be a disappointment.
Malign Portents needs to be a great rift level event and not just a book with 4 hero minis.

Baron Klatz wrote:
Well technically that's what things like demigryphs and sky-cutters (among many other 8th models) were for, models planned to transition into AoS. So it's certainly not that bad to use other models that match that aesthetic going forward especially since those races are fully in the lore.

As for releases, the Overlords were only about half a year ago and there's been the Firestorm campaign sets and ShadeSpire release since then which were both very much a thumbs-up for AoS fans.

I don't believe this

I feel like Malign Portents would be a great excuse to release and set the standard for the "baseline" factions of the mortal realms.
Chaos Marauders
Skellies
Orruks
Humans

Regardless of how they go with it, as long as we get some decent lore I'll be satisfied, but some awesome minis would slay me.


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 streetsamurai wrote:

Baron Klatz wrote:
Well technically that's what things like demigryphs and sky-cutters (among many other 8th models) were for, models planned to transition into AoS. So it's certainly not that bad to use other models that match that aesthetic going forward especially since those races are fully in the lore.

As for releases, the Overlords were only about half a year ago and there's been the Firestorm campaign sets and ShadeSpire release since then which were both very much a thumbs-up for AoS fans.

I don't believe this

No, it's fairly believable imo.
Back when the last Empire codex was released, one of the designers did a Q&A, and in it he was asked about the Empires Aesthetic, and even then he responded that GW was really pushing away from what the established lore/imagery was.
The subsequent releases by GW like the Skaven Stormogre whatevers (i am literally staring at them right now), the wood elves, the nurgle minis.
They were all kinda pushing what fantasy was at the time.

skaven storm ogres and the nurgle ones were clearly made with aos in mind (they were ET minis), but I don't believe that minis that were made so way back (as the demigryph riders and the sky cutter) were made with the intention to transition into aos

2012 and 13 are far back considering the years it takes to make the models and plan releases?

It's pretty clear from those releases forward that they were planning for AoS such as the new treelords matching up with Sylvaneth design and dwarfs making bombers and armored troops that'd fit right in alongside their Overlord brethren. So too do you get Empire knights whose look fit in with the gryphhounds and Stormcast Vanguard gryphon themes.

@Chikout, agreed on more battletomes would have been nice.

A reverant legion one for the reboxed skeletons and ShadeSpire ones would've been perfect.

Baron Klatz wrote:
2012 and 13 are far back considering the years it takes to make the models and plan releases?

It's pretty clear from those releases forward that they were planning for AoS such as the new treelords matching up with Sylvaneth design and dwarfs making bombers and armored troops that'd fit right in alongside their Overlord brethren.

@Chikout, agreed on more battletomes would have been nice.

A reverant legion one for the reboxed skeletons and ShadeSpire ones would've been perfect.

I don't think they were planning AoS that far in advance. Certainly, from what we got at release it did not seem well thought out at all. They definitely did not need years to write those few rules.
The Sylvaneth were made to match up with the treelords not the other way around. Same with the Kharadron Overlords. They needed to do something with dwarves for AoS and then chose the most distinctive elements of WHFB dwarves (slayers and steampunk machines) to form the basis concepts of the new AoS dwarf factions.
That seems like a much more logical design process.

The rules no(heck, even the more complex ghb's are being pushed out yearly) but the concepts for a new setting, it's factions and the design choices going forward would require quite a few years in designing models and how to go about the releases.

Stormcasts themselves started as concepts by Blanche for the Old World and towards the middle of 8th edition.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/33/c9/21/33c921e41fc733322c1df84d20a3d362.jpg

The snafu of a release I chalk up to Kirby and Rountree's "changing of the guard" and the big shifts in sale philosophy that was witnessed at the time.

Your theory on a design choice being based on past releases likely has merit into the design process but it still cements "older" models fitting into the new setting just fine as they are the aesthetic decided for going forward as Nagash and the Morghasts were for the Gothic undead look.

 Iron_Captain wrote:

Baron Klatz wrote:
2012 and 13 are far back considering the years it takes to make the models and plan releases?

It's pretty clear from those releases forward that they were planning for AoS such as the new treelords matching up with Sylvaneth design and dwarfs making bombers and armored troops that'd fit right in alongside their Overlord brethren.

@Chikout, agreed on more battletomes would have been nice.

A reverant legion one for the reboxed skeletons and ShadeSpire ones would've been perfect.

I don't think they were planning AoS that far in advance. Certainly, from what we got at release it did not seem well thought out at all. They definitely did not need years to write those few rules.
The Sylvaneth were made to match up with the treelords not the other way around. Same with the Kharadron Overlords. They needed to do something with dwarves for AoS and then chose the most distinctive elements of WHFB dwarves (slayers and steampunk machines) to form the basis concepts of the new AoS dwarf factions.
That seems like a much more logical design process.

exactly. Claiming that the treeman was made to match the treekin of AOS is some backward logic. And the fact that the treeman was released alongside two other units that are in the wanderers faction (a faction that probably won't be ever expanded in AOS and will probably dissapear in the not so far future) lend even less credence to such a theory

I wouldn't say backwards, it works both ways. They want a previous design that they have as mainline aesthetic (steampunk, gryphons, monsters) and also so they can plan it out for a future design philosophy that they can build on in the future.

Tabletop chicken or the egg.

Same for the wanderer release, that's your pessimistic take but it works in the other direction that such a release means GW plans on expanding on them one day since they spent resources on them and have a settled design that appears in artwork and lore when they've could have been dropped already.

I wouldn't be surprised at a redesign in the future to take advantage of their new nomad status, though. Realm specific Aelves would match the design philosophy they described as having for the humans and Duardin. I could easily see them taking positions as Wild, Wood and Fire Aelves to balance the light and shadow elements taken by their kin.

yeah, if you make some outlandish suppositions, you can arrive to pretty much any conclusion (The new Archaon has some chaos gods markings on him, it could be seen as a sign that the original creators of WHFB were already foreshadowing AOS all these years ago!!!!!)

I'd wager a lot of money that we won't see anything for the wanderer. That would entail releasing a second army of wood-inspired elves, and I simply don't see it happening. Not with the amount of things that they have to release, especially considering the snail pace of these release

It was rumoured by Hasting that a lot of the original factions would dissapear eventually, and it's pretty obvious that the wanderers are headed toward this fate

Heh, well we will have to wait and see but I doubt any original faction is heading out like that. Maybe have a replacement update which is an inevitability but things like that aren't happening anytime soon.

As I said though, it wouldn't be "wood inspired elves"(even though Sylvaneth aren't really even elves) but likely an change to give them more flavor to match the realms rather than a people stuck in one place.(though if Rootking Duardin are a thing then Aelves have no excuse to not settle in the Life realm)

I do agree we won't see anything for some time, though. Order already had it's big hurrah this year and we'll be lucky for Shadowkin next year as Death gets it's much deserved focus.

Edit: Oh, forgot to ask this when the Beast Wars thing was announced but was their any background on that?

Baron Klatz wrote:


Edit: Oh, forgot to ask this when the Beast Wars thing was announced but was their any background on that?

Yeah, Warhammer Community gave us a bunch of rules and background. AFAIK, the beast wars happened before the age of sigmar.

But... no any news of upcoming relase? Is confirmed death to be the next one? Becouse I'm a bit bored to wait...

antohammer wrote:
But... no any news of upcoming relase? Is confirmed death to be the next one? Becouse I'm a bit bored to wait...

Malign Portents will be featured in the January White Dwarf, we'll know more then.
Aside from that and whatever comes from it, there is still a Nurgle battletome outstanding which is rumoured for Q1 2018.

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 Galas wrote:
Fyreslayers, Ironjawz and Sylvaneth could use some new units to expand their factions.

Basically anything that isn't Seraphon or Chaos can use that.

Also Stormcast.

I feel bad for Death and Aelf players. Destruction could use one more faction, even if it's just a grot battletome.

I recall 40k being slow when AoS was new, so the slump is probably due to 8th (and seems fair). GW promised all codices by mid 2018, so I think the firs half of 2018 is not going to be great for AoS either.
The teased Death and the Nurgle equivalent of this year's Tzeentch release (doubt as big though) seems sensible (though I can never tell with GW).

GW is too busy creating Stormcast Primaris!

Baron Klatz wrote:
Same for the wanderer release, that's your pessimistic take but it works in the other direction that such a release means GW plans on expanding on them one day since they spent resources on them and have a settled design that appears in artwork and lore when they've could have been dropped already.

GW spent resources on new Tomb King models and look where that got us. Just saying...

Anyway, about the "story so far picture" two pages back. That's after the reveal of Captain Squareface, yes? Yet he's not mentioned. So I guess that means there's hope still that the Order hero won't be another Sigmarine. I mean, the picture is out. They wouldn't forget to push their darlings, would they?

I do find it dull that the undead character is another ghost, though. We already have one and a Banshee as well. Would have been cool to get a different character, like the ever so popular plastic vampire. Let's hope that we'll get a larger Death release next year.

 Geifer wrote:

Baron Klatz wrote:
Same for the wanderer release, that's your pessimistic take but it works in the other direction that such a release means GW plans on expanding on them one day since they spent resources on them and have a settled design that appears in artwork and lore when they've could have been dropped already.

GW spent resources on new Tomb King models and look where that got us. Just saying...

Anyway, about the "story so far picture" two pages back. That's after the reveal of Captain Squareface, yes? Yet he's not mentioned. So I guess that means there's hope still that the Order hero won't be another Sigmarine. I mean, the picture is out. They wouldn't forget to push their darlings, would they?

I do find it dull that the undead character is another ghost, though. We already have one and a Banshee as well. Would have been cool to get a different character, like the ever so popular plastic vampire. Let's hope that we'll get a larger Death release next year.

No, Mister Squareface is not part of the Malign Portents heroes. He's being released in December.

He is? Thanks for that.

 Geifer wrote:
He is? Thanks for that.

Yeah, he's in the December White Dwarf.
Hold on, let me look up his release date...

Edit: Okay, no date given.
But this week pre-order is the Easy to build stuff, and after that, only Marbo and the SCE are missing, so I guess they are up for pre-order on 23.12.

Marbo is the 26th, "while stocks last".

Lord-Celestant Gavriel Sureheart is available from December 23rd onwards.

There's posters going out to GW shops apparently.

Aaand we actually get a webpage for this up and running.

https://malignportents.com/#2

The scene is sure comfy and reassuring.

Well this is interesting:

https://malignportents.com/?utm_source=GamesWorkshop.com&utm_campaign=24e95e5949-GW+14th+December+Malign+Portents+GB&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_c6e14e39d2-24e95e5949-113773017

Whatever this turns out to be, it looks like it's going to be a big event.

If anything AOS has picked up in our area. Multiple leagues starting Jan

40k is still king here, but with the high saturation of nothing but 40k, people are looking for other things to play till their codex comes out/faction gets new models.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Well this is interesting:

https://malignportents.com/?utm_source=GamesWorkshop.com&utm_campaign=24e95e5949-GW+14th+December+Malign+Portents+GB&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_c6e14e39d2-24e95e5949-113773017

Whatever this turns out to be, it looks like it's going to be a big event.

Ma BOOOOIIIIIISSSS!!!!

Seems like things will kick off as soon as the new year hits! That reminds me to get my WD sub again, I need this one early.

Aye that Stormcast Hero is not part of MP, it would be amazing to have a non-Stormcast hero, imagine a Realm of Death themed Freeguild General!!!