40k New Edition Summary - 14th June 17: Lord Duncan paints Primaris in Gravis/non-codex SM focus

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**xttz**

Warhams-77 wrote:
Any more news from shops whether preorders for 8th will start this saturday?

For what it's worth, Warhammer Fest this weekend would make the perfect time for a preorder announcement. Also at the current rate, faction preview articles would all be covered by June 10th which lines up perfectly with the two week pre-order period for a new edition.

**CragHack**

No new info so far :(

**Latro_**

xttz wrote:
Warhams-77 wrote:
Any more news from shops whether preorders for 8th will start this saturday?

For what it's worth, Warhammer Fest this weekend would make the perfect time for a preorder announcement. Also at the current rate, faction preview articles would all be covered by June 10th which lines up perfectly with the two week pre-order period for a new edition.

Yea i expect they might even have preview games going on. I'm thinking 17th june release.
Also heard gw managers meeting to go over new rules so they can run demo games is soon.

**wuestenfux**

Sidstyler wrote:
Man, vehicles might as well be useless now. First they made it so land raiders could be killed by lasguns, now this?!

I'm gonna burn my models!

What is then the focus of the new edition. Its not on vehicles.
Is it on basic infantry (troops)?

**CragHack**

wuestenfux wrote:
Sidstyler wrote:
Man, vehicles might as well be useless now. First they made it so land raiders could be killed by lasguns, now this?!

I'm gonna burn my models!

What is then the focus of the new edition. Its not on vehicles.
Is it on basic infantry (troops)?

The focus is making previously useless models useful. Ogryns, Sentinels, Biovores (or Pyrovores, or w/e), Dreadnoughts, Aspect Warriors, etc.

**Rippy**

wuestenfux wrote:
Sidstyler wrote:
Man, vehicles might as well be useless now. First they made it so land raiders could be killed by lasguns, now this?!

I'm gonna burn my models!

What is then the focus of the new edition. Its not on vehicles.
Is it on basic infantry (troops)?

Focus is on balance; bring what you want, it's all viable, though balance your build to deal with anything

**Median Trace**

This is what CP's are for. It reduces the risk of losing a Character from a damaged transport to a minuscule probability.

Edit: We also don't know how Characters buff auras will work. If they work inside a transport and use the transport as the auras point of origin, this rule becomes more balanced.

**Spoletta**

Median Trace wrote:
This is what CP's are for. It reduces the risk of losing a Character from a damaged transport to a minuscule probability.

Edit: We also don't know how Characters buff auras will work. If they work inside a transport and use the transport as the auras point of origin, this rule becomes more balanced.

Considering that so far they have copied AoS transport rules, and in AoS a model inside a transport is specified to be out of the game for all purposes, i doubt that auras will extend outside.

"Embarked units cannot normally do anything or
be affected in any way whilst they are embarked.
Unless specifically stated, abilities that affect other
units within a certain range have no effect on a
unit that is embarked or whilst the unit that has the
ability is embarked, and you cannot measure from
or to an embarked unit"

**Frozocrone**

I leave for like a week and it turns out the guys at FLG are playtesting everything.

I'm so tempted to get back into 40k now. Tyranids sound fun to play! Wonder how the Orks are changed.

**changemod**

Spoletta wrote:
Median Trace wrote:
This is what CP's are for. It reduces the risk of losing a Character from a damaged transport to a minuscule probability.

Edit: We also don't know how Characters buff auras will work. If they work inside a transport and use the transport as the auras point of origin, this rule becomes more balanced.

Considering that so far they have copied AoS transport rules, and in AoS a model inside a transport is specified to be out of the game for all purposes, i doubt that auras will extend outside.

"Embarked units cannot normally do anything or
be affected in any way whilst they are embarked.
Unless specifically stated, abilities that affect other
units within a certain range have no effect on a
unit that is embarked or whilst the unit that has the
ability is embarked, and you cannot measure from
or to an embarked unit"

That's always been such a gamey rule. Just because the model isn't on the board doesn't mean the -unit- isn't on the board, and it's pretty tortured logic to think otherwise.

**Coyote81**

Spoletta wrote:
Median Trace wrote:
This is what CP's are for. It reduces the risk of losing a Character from a damaged transport to a minuscule probability.

Edit: We also don't know how Characters buff auras will work. If they work inside a transport and use the transport as the auras point of origin, this rule becomes more balanced.

Considering that so far they have copied AoS transport rules, and in AoS a model inside a transport is specified to be out of the game for all purposes, i doubt that auras will extend outside.

"Embarked units cannot normally do anything or
be affected in any way whilst they are embarked.
Unless specifically stated, abilities that affect other
units within a certain range have no effect on a
unit that is embarked or whilst the unit that has the
ability is embarked, and you cannot measure from
or to an embarked unit"

Well the 40k rules for transports are already different, it's been started that you can shoot from inside a vehicle.

**kronk**

changemod wrote:
Spoletta wrote:
Median Trace wrote:
This is what CP's are for. It reduces the risk of losing a Character from a damaged transport to a minuscule probability.

Edit: We also don't know how Characters buff auras will work. If they work inside a transport and use the transport as the auras point of origin, this rule becomes more balanced.

Considering that so far they have copied AoS transport rules, and in AoS a model inside a transport is specified to be out of the game for all purposes, i doubt that auras will extend outside.

"Embarked units cannot normally do anything or
be affected in any way whilst they are embarked.
Unless specifically stated, abilities that affect other
units within a certain range have no effect on a
unit that is embarked or whilst the unit that has the
ability is embarked, and you cannot measure from
or to an embarked unit"

That's always been such a gamey rule. Just because the model isn't on the board doesn't mean the -unit- isn't on the board, and it's pretty tortured logic to think otherwise.

If you want to use your special purpose, you have to expose yourself.

**casvalremdeikun**

I spoke to my GW manager yesterday, and apparently he is going to Dallas, TX this week for a big seminar on 8th edition. So we should be finding out a lot more soon depending on how tight-lipped some managers are or are not.

**Lobokai**

How do exploding transports work in AoS? Because until I'm told different, I'm assuming that I pick up as many dice as I have models, roll, and then remove roughly 1/6... my choice. Because that makes good sense and keeps the game moving... allegedly the top criteria of 8E.

**tneva82**

changemod wrote:
That's always been such a gamey rule. Just because the model isn't on the board doesn't mean the -unit- isn't on the board, and it's pretty tortured logic to think otherwise.

Problem being without that the bubble effect becomes weirdly big. Character is suddenly in many places at once.

**Spoletta**

Lobukia wrote:
How do exploding transports work in AoS? Because until I'm told different, I'm assuming that I pick up as many dice as I have models, roll, and then remove roughly 1/6... my choice. Because that makes good sense and keeps the game moving... allegedly the top criteria of 8E.

That seems to be the case:

"If the Arkanaut Frigate is destroyed, the passengers
immediately bail out: roll a dice for each model
embarked within it. For each roll of 1, a model
from that model’s unit (your choice) is slain. The
embarked units must then disembark before the
vessel is removed."

Automatically Appended Next Post:
That said, you roll for each unit, and characters are units on their own, so...

**Imateria**

Lobukia wrote:
How do exploding transports work in AoS? Because until I'm told different, I'm assuming that I pick up as many dice as I have models, roll, and then remove roughly 1/6... my choice. Because that makes good sense and keeps the game moving... allegedly the top criteria of 8E.

I believe thats exactly how it works in AoS.

**vim_the_good**

Lobukia wrote:
How do exploding transports work in AoS? Because until I'm told different, I'm assuming that I pick up as many dice as I have models, roll, and then remove roughly 1/6... my choice. Because that makes good sense and keeps the game moving... allegedly the top criteria of 8E.

This is exactly how I read it as well.

On Characters in vehicles. It would be a pity if My CCS Chimera looses it's Command Tank rule

**xttz**

tneva82 wrote:
changemod wrote:
That's always been such a gamey rule. Just because the model isn't on the board doesn't mean the -unit- isn't on the board, and it's pretty tortured logic to think otherwise.

Problem being without that the bubble effect becomes weirdly big. Character is suddenly in many places at once.

Exactly. It got even more broken when you embark a unit inside a fortification and have a nigh-invulnerable unit making everything nearby more effective. Until they FAQ'd it Malanthropes were especially bad for this when taken alongside a cheap bastion; a bigger Shrouded and Synapse bubble suddenly protected by AV14.

**Alpharius**

This thread is turning into a bit of a train wreck, and people seem to think that ignoring the rules of the site is OK too.

It isn't.

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Patience is at an end, tolerance is gone.

**Solar Shock**

We may end up seeing a rule for heroes (or the more tanky heroes/IC's) where the explosion only causes a mortal wound.

For example, it may be that if I roll a 1 on my weirdboy he goes poof. and if I do so on my warboss he takes 1 mortal wound. But we dont know yet.

We also dont know if we have to apply them per unit. As we can have multiple units in a wagon (20 slots) we could just end up rolling 20 dice and choosing 1/6 models to die. Can AoS have multiple units in a transport? I assume they can if people are putting heroes in them?

**casvalremdeikun**

I forgot to mention, my GW manager said to expect 8th the second weekend in June.

**changemod**

Alpharius wrote:
STAY on topic.

Check the thread title before posting in case you are confused as to what the TOPIC might be.

To be fair, and this is noting general trends of topic drift and warnings happening over and over, it actually isn't all that clear what is and isn't defined as on topic. The upcoming edition and all facets of it is an extremely wide topic with a very broad range of sub-topics.

Some direction beyond simply that this is the 8th edition previews thread might not be amiss, honestly, because the line is very blurry.

**Slinky**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
I forgot to mention, my GW manager said to expect 8th the second weekend in June.

With 1 or 2 weeks of pre-order time?

**xttz**

Solar Shock wrote:
We may end up seeing a rule for heroes (or the more tanky heroes/IC's) where the explosion only causes a mortal wound.

For example, it may be that if I roll a 1 on my weirdboy he goes poof. and if I do so on my warboss he takes 1 mortal wound. But we dont know yet.

We also dont know if we have to apply them per unit. As we can have multiple units in a wagon (20 slots) we could just end up rolling 20 dice and choosing 1/6 models to die. Can AoS have multiple units in a transport? I assume they can if people are putting heroes in them?

Regardless of how the wounds get applied, it's pretty likely you'll be able to use your command point reroll to try and avoid the result. They are basically designed for situations like this.

**theharrower**

Bottle wrote:
Rippy wrote:
What is confusing here sorry? Attacker rolls to hit and wound on the weapon against the squad of his choice.
Defender then chooses who in that squad takes the wound, though has to start with the wounded model.

The attacker has to declare all targets from weapons within in squad prior to start shooting though.(Ie 6 bolters against that squad, multi-melta against that tank etc)

The confusion is as follows:

I shoot with my Battlecannon at Tyranid Warriors and get 6 shots. All wounds. All saves failed. I roll for damage and get 1,2,2,3,3,3 wounds from the D3 rolls.

Does the Tyranid player get to choose the order the 1,2,2,3,3,3 get applied? And so chooses 3,3 (waste 2 wounds), 3,2 (waste 1 wound), 2,1 (resulting in 2 dead Warriors and one on a single wound remaining).

If it's the case it leads to split fire being beneficial to pick off multiple wounded models across multiple units and then split firing again from a second unit to maximise damage potential (as per my example above).

You roll for damage after a model fails a save. Why would you roll damage prior?

**Alpharius**

changemod wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
STAY on topic.

Check the thread title before posting in case you are confused as to what the TOPIC might be.

To be fair, and this is noting general trends of topic drift and warnings happening over and over, it actually isn't all that clear what is and isn't defined as on topic. The upcoming edition and all facets of it is an extremely wide topic with a very broad range of sub-topics.

Some direction beyond simply that this is the 8th edition previews thread might not be amiss, honestly, because the line is very blurry.

Alpharius wrote:
I disagree.

For example:

1) Insulting other users? NOT ON TOPIC
2) Complaining about complaints? NOT ON TOPIC
3) Posting "PIC ONLY LULZ" stuff? NOT ON TOPIC
4) Etc.

Feel free to take this discussion to PMs if you want as well, because, you guessed it, it is OFF TOPIC.

**Daedalus81**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
You say that, but when Abaddon or Calgar goes POP 'cause you rolled a 1 you'll be pretty annoyed that the rule isn't a little more nuanced.

*shrug* Make sure you have CP available.

**casvalremdeikun**

Slinky wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
I forgot to mention, my GW manager said to expect 8th the second weekend in June.

With 1 or 2 weeks of pre-order time?

He didn't say. I won't be able to get my copy from there anyway since I won't be in town. He said he should know more after this week's seminar in Texas.

**Inquisitor Kallus**

UK managers are at nottingham today, its to talk about 8th ed release